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NOAA Is Losing Arctic Ice

February 27, 2016
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By Paul Homewood    

 

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https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2016/02/27/noaa-is-losing-arctic-ice/

 

 

 

Ron Clutz takes a look at the differences between MASIE and NSIDC’s Sea Ice Index:

 

Something strange is happening in the reporting of sea ice extents in the Arctic. I am not suggesting that “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.” That issue about a Danish graph seems to be subsiding, though there are unresolved questions. What if the 30% DMI graph is overestimating and the 15% DMI graph is underestimating?

The MASIE record from NIC shows an average year in progress, with new highs occurring well above the 2015 maximum:

 

MASIE 2016 to day 56r

 

 

Read the full story here.

8 Comments leave one →
  1. A C Osborn permalink
    February 27, 2016 8:12 pm

    Don’t worry they will fix MASIE soon and it will fall in line with all the other “Adjusted” Climate Indecies.

  2. eliza permalink
    February 28, 2016 2:57 am

    DMI is no longer a credible organization re disappearance of 30% plot recently see various WUWT postings

  3. February 28, 2016 8:26 am

    This is the problem with the “data python” – when your measurement system is young and there’t not much data, its quite possible to mould the data to fit whatever theory you want, but as the data increases and the data python grows, rather than being able to mould the data, the data increasingly restricts what you can do with it until eventually the data is so restrictive that there is no room left for the alarmist manipulations.

    We’ve seen this with the surface data: as we get more and more data, it becomes increasingly difficult to justify their upjusting of the data as each year passes.

    Likewise, with ice – the more data we get in – the more they struggle to make the data fit their vile eco-political view they project onto the subject – but the more data there is, the less ability they have to manipulate it.

    Also – every time they claim something like “this drought is caused by global warming” … it reduces their ability to claim that the next flood is “caused by global warming” … every time they try to use a movement of the data python to their own advantage … they find that they are just further restricted in what they can do and say in the future.

  4. wally permalink
    February 28, 2016 11:16 am

    Climate phobia will get us nowhere.

  5. Pethefin permalink
    February 29, 2016 11:08 am

    I have looking into an explanation for the fact that DMI is working with a new coastal mask for their sea-ice products. It become clear that they were participating in a EU-funded research group developing sea-ice information services:
    http://research.dmi.dk/research/research-topics/arctic/

    “POLAR ICE

    Project aims: The aim of Polar Ice is to develop a next generation sea ice information service by integrating and building on a wide range of existing European and national funded activities which incorporate many of the required components. Considerable investment has enabled development of key parts of a complete sea ice service chain. Polar Ice will link these together, fill known gaps and ensure a robust operational service.

    DMI’s role: Delivery of ice forecasts and ice pressure products.”

    this lead me to this scientific paper:
    http://www.the-cryosphere.net/9/1797/2015/

    which evaluated 30 sea-ice algorithms and develops a new hybrid method

    haven’t yet had time to go read through it, or to look for more, but there seems to be a lot on-going work with development of remote sensing of sea-ice.

    • February 29, 2016 2:48 pm

      Thanks Pethefin. I have said all along that we need the best measurements of ice dynamics. At the moment, it is a good thing to have two different methods of observing ice extents: the relatively new remote sensing and the long-established ice charts for navigational purposes.

  6. Archetype permalink
    March 2, 2016 12:49 am

    Reblogged this on The Road to Revelation.

  7. tom0mason permalink
    March 3, 2016 2:50 am

    I note that the US Navy is exercising on the Arctic Ice.
    http://sputniknews.com/us/20160303/1035695983/submarines-start-nuclear-excercises.html

    What odds do you give that the subs can’t surface close to the North pole as subs did over the late 1950s early 1960s. The Skate was there (but submerged) in ’58 and returned in ’59, in a lead or polynya, Skate and Seadragon in 1962, in a polynya, Billfish, Seadevil, and the Brit’s HMS Superb, in a polynya – all those occasions, they surfaced at the pole in ice-free water.

    http://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/11/uss-skate-ssn-578-becomes-the-first-submarine-to-surface-at-the-north-pole
    and
    http://www.navyshipnewsnow.com/2009/09/two-us-navy-submarines-have-been-to.html
    and many other sites.

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