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England not windy enough, admits wind industry chief

June 5, 2016

By Paul Homewood 

 

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From the Telegraph:

 

England is not windy enough to justify building any more onshore wind turbines, the chief executive of wind industry trade body has admitted.

Hugh McNeal, who joined RenewableUK two months ago from the Department of Energy and Climate Change, insisted the industry could make the case for more onshore turbines in some parts of the UK, despite the withdrawal of subsidies.

But he said this would “almost certainly” not be in England, as the wind speeds were not high enough to make the projects economically viable without subsidy.

 

Although the Government has implemented its manifesto pledge to end subsidies for new onshore wind farms, the industry believes it should be able to deploy more turbines onshore if it can show that this is the cheapest form of new power generation capacity.

Current wholesale electricity prices are too low to spur investment in any new form of power generation, so the Government has already had to make subsidies available to new gas plants.

If financial support required by onshore wind is less than that required by gas, the industry argues it should no longer be regarded as “subsidy”.

 

Hugh McNeal Hugh McNeal, the new chief executive of RenewableUK Credit: Eddie Mulholland

 

“We are now the cheapest form of new generation in Britain,” Mr McNeal said. “If plants can be built in places where people don’t object to them and if, as a result of that, over their whole lifetime the net impact on consumers against the alternatives is beneficial, I need to persuade people we should be doing that.”

But new wind farms in England were “very unlikely”, beyond those that have already secured subsidies and are awaiting construction, as they would not be cost-efficient enough to undercut gas power, he said.

“We are almost certainly not talking about the possibility of new plants in England. The project economics wouldn’t work; the wind speeds don’t allow for it.”

The admission calls into question why developers are still seeking planning consent for hundreds of new turbines onshore in England.

Analysis of Government databases by the Renewable Energy Foundation (REF), a group critical of subsidies, suggests there is till 425 megawatts of capacity in England in the planning system – although this is about a tenth of the amount seeking permission in Scotland.

 

Wind farm near Swindon Wind speeds are generally lower in England than other parts of the UK Credit: Getty

 

Keith Anderson, chief executive of ScottishPower Renewables, said he agreed with Mr McNeal that new onshore wind in England would be “incredibly challenging”.

However, he suggested the economics could potentially be better for projects that involved removing small old turbines and building bigger, more powerful replacements on the same site.

The idea of “subsidy free” financial support for onshore wind has proved highly controversial. Owen Paterson, the former environment secretary, described it as a “con” after ministers confirmed earlier this year that they were considering the idea.

John Constable, REF director, said claims that wind power was the cheapest failed to take into account the wider cost impacts on the system.

“There has to be grid expansion to remove bottlenecks, short term response plant and or demand to cope with errors in the wind forecast, and the cost of operating a conventional fleet of almost unchanged size to guarantee security of supply,” he said.

While ministers have not ruled out “subsidy free” financial support for onshore wind, there are understood to be no current plans to offer it.

Ministers have also said they want to ensure technologies have to “face their full costs". A study on the true costs of different technologies is awaiting publication by the DECC. 

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A few comments:

 

1) Dear little Emily repeats the lie that the Government has already had to make subsidies available to new gas plants. What she is referring to are capacity market payments to gas and other generators to provide standby capacity.In other words, it is payment for a service and not a subsidy.

Since such payments are only needed because of the intermittent nature of wind/solar, these costs are in effect an added subsidy for renewables.

Does Emily have such a limited knowledge of energy markets that she does not understand this simple fact? Or is she deliberately misleading her readers?

 

2) Ministers have also said they want to ensure technologies have to “face their full costs"

What does this mean? Will gas generators be loaded with a tax on the CO2 they emit, as John Gummer would like? Or does it mean that the costs that John Constable refers to will be defined as a subsidy for wind farms?

We await DECC’s study!

 

3) “We are now the cheapest form of new generation in Britain,”

Fine. Put you money where your mouth is then, Mr McNeal, and compete on a level playing field with other generators. No subsidies, no Contracts for Difference, no index linked guaranteed prices.

10 Comments leave one →
  1. June 5, 2016 10:56 am

    Reblogged this on Climatism and commented:
    “Sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences.” – Robert Louis Stevenson

  2. A C Osborn permalink
    June 5, 2016 11:27 am

    They are either outright lying as they have been doing from the start or are totally blinded by their own bull.

    I see Booker has picked up on your “Global Solar” piece.
    It is very annoying that the Telegraph have made them “Comment Pieces” instead of Articles, so there are no readers comments allowed.

  3. June 5, 2016 11:48 am

    Sunday Telegraph : #1 BBC spin hides the great solar energy fiasco CHRISTOPHER BOOKER

    Followed 45m later by #2 EU is paymaster for pro-Remain ‘green’ charities

    In #1 he takes your angles and adds in the Wiltshire villages who due to solar bankruptcies will lose their promised community bonuses
    “British roofs, giving those who live under them free hot baths” oh come on CB don’t mix up solar PV and solar Hot Water panels

    In #2 RSPB and WWF-UK “so close to the EU that they are almost part of it.” (7 yearr grants £15 + £58 million.
    ” Somerset floods two years ago…deliberately made much worse by EU legislation, actively promoted by the RSPB”

    “no way Brexit could produce a more damaging outcome for nature ”

    Those 2 articles don’t yet have a posting for comments on Telegraph FB page
    but England not windy enough, admits wind industry chief does

    • June 5, 2016 12:01 pm

      BTW There ‘s a lot of trashy stuff in the Tele these days if they are seeking out Guardian readers ..There are about 10 M Ali lionising articles also.

      • June 5, 2016 12:05 pm

        couplde of articles sneering at Trumps aswell ..Are they going for the US market.
        I think BBC News Online used to carry so much news that it killed the Telegraph’s online lead. After that the BBC scaled back.

      • catweazle666 permalink
        June 6, 2016 12:36 am

        Seems a lot of erstwhile DT readers agree with you.

        http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.telegraph.co.uk

  4. June 5, 2016 11:59 am

    From DECC to chief executive of RenewableUK in one easy move. Quelle surprise! He won’t be doing anything different, so I wonder if he’ll notice the transition.

  5. June 5, 2016 5:36 pm

    ‘Does Emily have such a limited knowledge of energy markets that she does not understand this simple fact? Or is she deliberately misleading her readers?’

    Umm…err…ooh…that’s a tough one😉

  6. June 6, 2016 8:35 am

    ‘England is not windy enough’ enough said, subsidies or not!

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