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Gavin Wants A Carbon Tax

December 13, 2016

By Paul Homewood 

 

Dr-Gavin-Schmidt-Climatologist-Director-NASA-Goddard-Institute

 

 

Gavin claims to be a climate scientist.

Yet as a supposedly objective scientist in charge of GISS, why is he making overtly political interventions.

In this interview with the Vancouver Sun last year, he stated:

 

We have to have a price on carbon because right now it’s still free to put carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. So if you put a price on carbon that is commensurate with the damage that carbon-dioxide emissions cause, then people will be smarter. They will say: ‘Well, I can spend that money and damage the planet or I can spend less money and buy an electric car that’s fed by hydro. Vancouver is trying to be a real leader in switching to carbon-neutral energy sources and moving away from oil for transportation. All those things are very positive and the B.C. carbon tax is one of the most progressive and far-reaching ideas — even though in practice it hasn’t made a huge difference yet.

http://climatestate.com/2015/04/24/gavin-schmidt-nasa-explains-the-climate-change-problem-and-solution/

 

It is surely the job of taxpayer funded scientists to stick to the science, and leave policy making to the politicians.

 

Not that his scientific credentials are up to much, if his next comment in the interview is anything to go by:

 

Q: What is the future for waterfront cities like Vancouver?

A: You are going to have to put up with rising sea levels; they are not going to go down. But there’s a huge difference between a foot or two over 100 years and a metre or two metres. There’s a lot of waterfront development going on but is it sea-level-rise smart? I don’t know that it is. So don’t put stuff in the basement, have all your electrical equipment on the second floor or on the roof.

 

 

Meanwhile, back in the real world, sea levels at Vancouver have been rising at a rate of just 0.37mm/yr since 1910:

 

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https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_global_station.htm?stnid=822-071

 

At this rate, Gavin’s two meters of sea level rise will take 5405 years.

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35 Comments
  1. Ian Magness permalink
    December 13, 2016 8:28 pm

    If you ever see the word “progressive” attached to a political policy, especially a tax policy, you know you are dealing with a pure socialist. They just love that word, makes them feel worthy.

  2. Dave Ward permalink
    December 13, 2016 8:29 pm

    “It is surely the job of taxpayer funded scientists to stick to the science, and leave policy making to the politicians”

    Paul – that doesn’t really help if the politicians have been “Got At”. Thanks to the Wildlife Trust’s newsletter, yet another Fake Charity has come to my attention – “Green Alliance”
    Their “about” page has this to say:

    “Political leadership is essential to creating a green economy. Only politics can make the major structural decisions needed and balance competing objectives. Green Alliance ensures that each of the parties has the political ideas and internal pressure to put the green economy at the heart of their programmes for government”

    http://green-alliance.org.uk/politicalleadership.php

    I’m not going to look into their finances – my blood pressure won’t stand it. You only need to see who their “partners” are:

    http://green-alliance.org.uk/partners.php

    • December 14, 2016 8:14 am

      Good spot Dave

      I bet there’s some Oxygen larcenist fat salaries hidden in the accounts. What a crock.

    • December 14, 2016 9:28 am

      Dave: As a leading light in CPRE Devon, I can assure you that many members out in the sticks are offended by the actions of the leadership of the National Office of CPRE, who all live within the M25 and have no idea of life in rural England. Fortunately the county branches of CPRE are separate charities and so many (such as CPRE Devon) have policies which are often diametrically opposed to those of the National Office. CPRE Devon would never ever consider linking themselves to the “Green Alliance” – far from it.

      See for example http://www.cpredevon.org.uk/topic/energy/

  3. Broadlands permalink
    December 13, 2016 8:33 pm

    “At this rate, Gavin’s two meters of sea level rise will take 5405 years.”

    That’s probably as long it will take for us to get atmospheric CO2 back down to 350 ppm via “capture and store” technology that is not even at a global scale level, and will require reburying 100 billion ton of CO2…somewhere. I don’t think Gavin the Climatologist has considered that.

  4. John F. Hultquist permalink
    December 13, 2016 8:42 pm

    an electric car that’s fed by hydro.

    Build the above without petroleum based fuel.

    • Brooke permalink
      December 13, 2016 8:54 pm

      Or build an electrical car without minerals mined with FF powered machinery?
      Or build an electric car without coal fired smelters or FF plastic bits or FF based tyres, electrical insulation or FF grease and FF hydraulic oils for steering gear.
      Presumably the electric car would drive on FF bitumen roads?

    • Dave Ward permalink
      December 14, 2016 10:06 am

      “an electric car that’s fed by hydro.”

      As I was about to scroll down I had visions of a car trailing a VERY long hosepipe…

  5. Brooke permalink
    December 13, 2016 8:50 pm

    Gavin should be applauded.
    He can recite GroupThink word for word.
    Let’s all loudly applaud Gavin for his reciting skills.

    • Edmonton Al permalink
      December 14, 2016 1:58 pm

      He may not be at his present position for long.

  6. December 13, 2016 9:06 pm

    I think this was particularly prescient:

    Extract from President Eisenhower’s leaving speech from the White House.

    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
    We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
    Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
    In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
    The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific technological elite.
    It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system — ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

    • Broadlands permalink
      December 14, 2016 12:17 pm

      Eisenhower: “…the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity.”

      Upton Sinclair: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”

  7. December 13, 2016 10:50 pm

    Gavin w..ker

    • Manniac permalink
      December 14, 2016 5:06 pm

      More like Gavin Schmirk…

  8. clipe permalink
    December 14, 2016 1:29 am

    “When a carbon tax is imposed in a volatile energy commodity market it is lost in the noise of price volatility and is rendered useless . When the carbon tax was introduced in BC in 2008 the natural gas commodity price was approx. $10 per GJ . The natural gas commodity price is now about $3 per GJ . A carbon tax price signal is complete BS as are the trumped up studies done by university professor promoters claiming success .”

    http://joannenova.com.au/2016/12/rex-tillerson-would-have-profited-from-anti-carbon-schemes-but-stood-against-them/#comment-1867051

  9. Graeme No.3 permalink
    December 14, 2016 1:49 am

    We would have a carbon tax that is commensurate with the damage that carbon-dioxide emissions cause if it was set at ZERO.
    Unfortunately gullible or greedy fools want the flow of extra money they can waste.

  10. AlecM permalink
    December 14, 2016 2:36 am

    Schmidt is an ‘outrageous liar’. He’s making these claims because he knows that he will soon be out of a job and no University will hire him and risk having its grants slashed too.

    More popcorn………….

    • Gerry, England permalink
      December 14, 2016 11:30 am

      Not so sure about that. How about the CRU at UEA? Or Grantham Institute at Imperial College? Or the dodgy ones in Australia? There will still be pockets of resistance to realism outside the US.

      • AlecM permalink
        December 14, 2016 11:48 am

        I shall rephrase my statement then.

        ‘He knows that he will soon be out of a job and no University will hire him and risk having its grants slashed too.’

        Like NASA, CRU is being dumped for its serial dishonesty. Grantham at IC is tip-toeing away so long as the boss still pays.

        Dodgy Aussie stuff – that’s a laugh now CSIRO has dumped Climate Fraud.

        That leaves the WMO/UNEP. The UK won’t fund its frauds.

  11. December 14, 2016 8:10 am

    “OCO-2 is an exploratory science mission designed to collect space-based global measurements of atmospheric CO2 with the precision, resolution, and coverage needed to characterize sources and sinks (fluxes) on regional scales (≥1000km). OCO-2 will also be able to quantify CO2 variability over the seasonal cycles year after year.” From the mission statement. http://oco.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/

    Unfortunately, it succeeded in pinpointing sources and sinks which is why you are not allowed to view them.

    It is disgraceful – as is the persistence of the flat out wrong NASA GISS global CO2 model output on their web pages which has not been amended / retracted or otherwise commented on.

    The mangling of the data from the OCO-2 CO2 mapper is on Gavin’s watch and given that the timing and misrepresentation in this latest release must be at least in part due to Schmidt.

    Is there a way to deny this gent a pension?

    • AlecM permalink
      December 14, 2016 11:05 am

      Yes, but it might take a bit of time getting his psychology right.

      • December 14, 2016 11:31 am

        After seeing his interaction with Roy Spencer and forcing myself to sit through his much vaunted TED talk – I think there’s not much to be gained from a review of the crossed wiring inside Gavin’s bonce.

        Schmidt’s meddlings should be rewarded with “you’re fired”

  12. Stonyground permalink
    December 14, 2016 10:18 am

    “So if you put a price on carbon that is commensurate with the damage that carbon-dioxide emissions cause…”

    That would be none whatsoever then.

    • Broadlands permalink
      December 14, 2016 12:25 pm

      There are those who argue that the cost of doing nothing is more important. But since 1987 when CO2 was at the mystical 350 ppm level we have done nothing and nothing has happened to the climate. But lots of research since then has been costly…most of it paid by taxpayers. NASA-GISS has been a big recipient?

  13. rapscallion permalink
    December 14, 2016 12:49 pm

    “We have to have a price on carbon because right now it’s still free to put carbon dioxide into the atmosphere”

    So, according to Gavin then, that means taxing every human being for merely exhaling.
    I’d like to see how he’s going to implement that.

    Wanchor

  14. Edmonton Al permalink
    December 14, 2016 2:22 pm

    Someone should send this website to Gavin.

    http://nov79.com/gbwm/gbwm.html

  15. Roy Hartwell permalink
    December 14, 2016 4:12 pm

    But wouldn’t we also be entitled to tax credits for all the extra greenery because of the higher co2 ?

  16. tom0mason permalink
    December 14, 2016 6:10 pm

    Dear Gavin,

    Your obdurate venture into unparalleled and unique obliquity of irrationalization is an original rarely witnessed beyond the tranquil assurances of the sanatorium.

    Please get some medical help before it is too late.

    Yours
    TM.

    • AlecM permalink
      December 14, 2016 7:18 pm

      It was already too late, which is why he was put in charge of the Climate Fraud.

      An idiot so convinced of his superiority that he was either a New Prophet or an Old Fool.

  17. Charles Higley permalink
    December 15, 2016 3:24 am

    Cute idea, that we need a carbon tax to cover the damages. but, since the effects of CO2, which by the way is not “carbon” but a compound of carbon, are all positive, they should pay us to add CO2 to the atmosphere. We need more CO2 not less because, as we cool, we will need more CO2 to enrich our plants and grow more food.

  18. 4TimesAYear permalink
    December 15, 2016 6:12 am

    There is already a price on carbon. It’s called an energy bill.

  19. ralphcramdo permalink
    December 15, 2016 11:18 am

    The Beatles said it best!

    Let me tell you how it will be
    There’s one for you, nineteen for me
    ‘Cause I’m the taxman, yeah, I’m the taxman
    Should five per cent appear too small
    Be thankful I don’t take it all
    ‘Cause I’m the taxman, yeah I’m the taxman
    If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street,
    If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat.
    If you get too cold I’ll tax the heat,
    If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.
    Don’t ask me what I want it for
    If you don’t want to pay some more

  20. December 15, 2016 3:58 pm

    Gavin is anti-plants, since he wants to eliminate CO2.

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