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Denmark is killing Tesla

June 12, 2017

Denmark is killing Tesla (translation – electric car sales plummet after Denmark cuts subsidies)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-02/denmark-is-killing-tesla-and-other-electric-cars

Now who would have guessed it!

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29 Comments
  1. Francis Bowkett permalink
    June 12, 2017 7:44 pm

    Quote from near the end of the article: The electric car industry “doesn’t want to invest in a market that may not be there next year.”

    There never was a market – just subsidies.

  2. June 12, 2017 7:44 pm

    “The figures suggest clean-energy vehicles still aren’t attractive enough to compete without some form of subsidy.” This sentence must be one of the greatest examples of stating the obvious ever!

  3. June 12, 2017 8:18 pm

    “What is not reported” tells you a lot about news.
    And early this month when MSM talked about sales of diesel + petrol cars falling last month
    I noticed they never said anything like “Electric Vehicles bucked the trend”
    No when I check the Bloomberg article it’s chart including that the months before that , we see EVs were at 15% higher than 1 year earlier … from such a low baseline that is practically nothing.

  4. markl permalink
    June 12, 2017 8:57 pm

    The only surprise is the subsidies lasted as long as they did without producing the anticipated volume of EVs being purchased. More countries to follow. The low hanging fruit is gone and reality sets in.

  5. June 12, 2017 9:46 pm

    EV scam came up today
    Y&Y on Radio 4 did a piece about an EV quickhire scheme opening today in Fulham
    Like the new version of Boris Bikes but with cars maybe people will call it Khan’s Kars.
    Of course the item was like a free ad for the scheme.
    But@Tomo on BH found an article saying its a trick the corp’s real biz is selling the infrastructure to the council. So they are hyping up their scheme and then turning to the council to pay them big $$$ for installing charging points etc.
    http://www.businesscar.co.uk/news/2016/ev-car-clubs-troubled-by-rivals-conflict-of-interest

  6. June 12, 2017 9:51 pm

    Are electric cars over-hyped as ‘climate-friendly’ (a meaningless phrase, but often used) ?

    GWPF: NEW STUDY: LARGE CO2 EMISSIONS FROM BATTERIES OF ELECTRIC CARS
    Date: 12/06/17 Johan Kristensson, New Technology

    Enormous hope rests on electric cars as the solution by the motor industry to climate change. However the batteries of electric cars are not environmentally friendly when manufactured. Several tonnes of carbon dioxide are being released, even before electric batteries leave the factory.
    . . .
    One really needs to make sure to optimise electric batteries. One should not drive around with a lot of kilowatt hours unnecessarily. In some cases, a plug in-hybrid may be the optimum, in other cases a clean battery device.

    http://www.thegwpf.com/new-study-large-co2-emissions-from-batteries-of-electric-cars/

    • nigel permalink
      June 13, 2017 7:46 am

      “…optiimise electric batteries…”

      Few people realise what the principle of a battery IS. It is not “storing electric energy” – that is what a condenser does. It is a mixing container to release potential chemical energy which is inherent in the varied propensities of metals to “push” themselves into solutions. As such, one starts with absolute physical limits. The voltage of a cell of a battery is 1 to two volts – no more. The amperage (current) is also limited by the surface size of the anode.

      An electric motor needs more, of both voltage and amperage, than any cell can provide.
      You must use use more cells, therefore. But, putting cells in series gives more voltage without changing the current. While, putting cells in parallel gives more current but the voltage is still only one or two.

      The situation is NOT one, where you can assume that – somehow – “inventions” will make things easier all the time.

      • AlecM permalink
        June 13, 2017 9:29 am

        Battery technology is as old as steam and internal combustion. Indeed, a century ago battery cars were technically better than steam and petrol cars.

        There as only one problem; a lack of charging points. That still exists. To power the M1 by replaceable battery packs requires 20 exchange stations the size of Fort Dunlop plus 25% of national grid power.

        If any greenie proposes batteries they must also accept that they will have to triple grid power and rewire the country.

      • nigel permalink
        June 13, 2017 9:49 am

        “…charging points…”

        Since one can “recharge” a petrol car in, say, 5 minutes, but an electric car in, say, 5 hours we would need to increase the area dedicated to refueling (petrol stations and secure home garages, at present) – umm – 30 to 60 fold. How luvverly the South-East will look!

      • AlecM permalink
        June 13, 2017 6:14 pm

        Exactly. 10/10

      • AlecM permalink
        June 13, 2017 6:19 pm

        PS the purpose of Denmark’s electric cars was to store wind energy. It didn’t work so nobody’s buying it. Concentrate on re-useable rockets Elon.

  7. Wolf permalink
    June 12, 2017 9:56 pm

    Best news for 2017 !! Love it !!

  8. Ben Vorlich permalink
    June 13, 2017 6:47 am

    On the subject of EV Supercars does anyone know why the one Hammond crashed the other day caught fire? It is a worrying aspect of the crash in my opinion which hasn’t appeared in the news.

    • richard verney permalink
      June 13, 2017 8:30 am

      But batteries often catch fire. This happened to the Samsung Smart phone, and it had to be withdrawn.

      If you go the web, you will see lots of pictures of Tesla Cars on fire.

      Don’t forget that Lithium is very reactive, so fires can quickly spread from one cell to another.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        June 13, 2017 12:35 pm

        It’s like driving around with a bomb in the boot if it reacts with water.

      • andrewa permalink
        June 13, 2017 9:53 pm

        You are right, electric cars powered by lithium ion cells catch fire and burn about one tenth as easily as petroleum fueled ones as one spark is all that is needed to ignite petroleum from a ruptured tank. Ruptured lithium ion battery’s combust under certain rupture conditions but not as violently or as quickly as petroleum fuels.

    • June 13, 2017 8:34 am

      Short-circuit probably. Lithium batteries (if that’s what they were) are notorious for fires.
      http://www.thoughtco.com/why-lithium-batteries-catch-fire-606814

    • Athelstan permalink
      June 13, 2017 8:43 am

      That’s such a good point, it is doubtful whether most people will have joined the dots – ie no carbon based fuel but still it burnt up like a Jason Statham car wreaking movie.
      I think the car would be carbon fibre frame [maybe] but what caused the ‘super’ car to go up like it did surely should provide much pause.

      The other question, why would anybody want a performance high speed wheeled virtue signaling ego trip to be driving round tight [Swiss? ] mountain roads, you’d need more money than sense or more probably be, a slack jawed loony who believes in his own tiny mind that, he can drive fast………….just making a telly programme, ironically for the delectation of petrol heads……………..hmm.

  9. HotScot permalink
    June 13, 2017 6:56 am

    Softlee, Softlee, Catchee Monkee.

    Another little nail in the coffin of AGW as governments begin to object to vomiting lodsa cash over the green blob. Pretty soon it’ll be a flood of governments stopping funding the lunatics, and reasons will be found to do so, quite apart from money.

    Make the charts prominent and convincing ladies and gents, we may have some new visitors.

    And does anyone have any information on how this affects Denmark’s Paris commitments?

    • Athelstan permalink
      June 13, 2017 8:46 am

      “And does anyone have any information on how this affects Denmark’s Paris commitments?”

      Do I detect a whiff of sarcasm?

      😉

      • HotScot permalink
        June 13, 2017 5:24 pm

        Sorry, no, it was a genuine question.

  10. June 13, 2017 9:44 am

    Reblogged this on ajmarciniak.

  11. June 13, 2017 11:27 am

    Perhaps the greenies need to take another hard look at the horse and buggy solution. It worked for many years.

    • Dave Ward permalink
      June 13, 2017 2:53 pm

      Have you forgotten all the methane those horses produce? Isn’t it (allegedly) some 20 times more climate damaging than CO2?

      • Russ Wood permalink
        June 13, 2017 3:39 pm

        And, of course, the rather more solid (not to mention niffy) exhaust?

      • HotScot permalink
        June 13, 2017 5:26 pm

        The very reason cars were encouraged in London. The horse shit became a health hazard.

  12. Gerry, England permalink
    June 13, 2017 12:37 pm

    Since we don’t pay oil companies to build us service stations I don’t see why the public purse needs to pay for charging points – and in some cases the electricity too. Let the user pay.

    • tom0mason permalink
      June 13, 2017 1:15 pm

      Indeed so for historically …

      The UK industry was years behind America. Britain did not have its first filling station until the AA began a service to its members in 1919 at Aldermaston in Berkshire

      From http://www.petroliana.co.uk/History.asp

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