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“It is only fair to expect bill payers to support low carbon power” Says new Energy Minister

June 14, 2017

What planet do these cretins live on?

It is only fair to expect bill payers to support low carbon power” says Clare Perry

http://utilityweek.co.uk/news/bill-payers-must-back-low-carbon-transition-believes-new-climate-change-minister/1305102#.WUFcPDrTVdi

And they wonder why they lost their majority

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56 Comments
  1. Alan Gregory permalink
    June 14, 2017 4:06 pm

    I wonder if any of these “climate change” profiteers were involved in the renovations to Grenfell Tower

  2. June 14, 2017 4:12 pm

    I expect she was fed that line by her civil servants

  3. stephen m lord permalink
    June 14, 2017 4:21 pm

    The people who want low carbon power should pay for it. Give the bill payer choice on his bill.

  4. Ian Magness permalink
    June 14, 2017 4:22 pm

    I couldn’t agree more Paul and the government are still peddling the line that energy price increases are all the fault of the Big Bad energy majors. Being fed this line by their advisors might have been an excuse before, but it isn’t any more – they are just lying to suit themselves and their insane policies.

  5. June 14, 2017 4:42 pm

    Fair to whom? Those in fuel poverty?

  6. June 14, 2017 4:47 pm

    “It is only fair to expect bill payers to support low carbon power”

    Not forgetting that…

    “It is only fair to expect bill payers to support compensation for wind turbine owners when it’s not windy”

  7. Jackington permalink
    June 14, 2017 4:53 pm

    I don’t think it is anything to do with loss of majority; both Labour and Tory are tarred with the same brush on this subject – they share a common ignorance and the poorest suffer.

    • June 18, 2017 5:16 pm

      They share a common position. That you consider it ignorance likely is closer to the function of a ‘Useful Idiot’ – though I don’t specify that as your reasoning.

  8. John F. Hultquist permalink
    June 14, 2017 5:11 pm

    Clare Perry and friends are like atoms — they make up everything.

  9. June 14, 2017 5:16 pm

    There is a possible “Climate Change” angle to the tower block fire in London this morning. Building regulations have been setting ever tighter limits on the thermal efficiency of new buildings and refurbishments, because of the need to “Fight Climate Change”. Hence the widespread use of cladding in refurbishments of old buildings, which is not there solely to improve the look of the building, it has to be there to meet the building regulations, which are somewhat influenced by the wailing and moaning emanating from the zombies that feed on the Climate Change Act.

    • June 14, 2017 6:43 pm

      You won’t hear the BBC blaming the fire on tackling climate change.

      • Mark Hodgson permalink
        June 14, 2017 7:03 pm

        Indeed you won’t. They have been striving all day to blame it on cuts to local authority funding, however.

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        June 14, 2017 9:25 pm

        How many of the fires we can still see burning on the (22:00 BBC) news are down to gaz canisters burning and the fire service not wanting to risk lives trying to extinguish what is a just as much a fire-bomb?

      • dave permalink
        June 15, 2017 8:14 am

        The original plan (2012’s briefing paper) called for zinc, as the accelerant. If they used aluminium, that is even more certain and deadly.

        99% of people WILL believe the BBC as a matter of course and WILL as a matter of course blame lack of government money.

        But it was the profligate spending by government of our money which went, almost literally, in covering the outside of the building in 2015 to produce …

        this:

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

      • Gerry, England permalink
        June 15, 2017 12:40 pm

        I like those nice DUP people who want the licence fee scrapped. It must be a total shock for the Tories to meet conservative people.

    • mwhite permalink
      June 14, 2017 6:46 pm

      Note it would appear that this cladding is sandwiched between aluminium sheets. Once aluminium catches fire there’s no stopping it(As the Royal Navy found out in the Falklnds)

      • June 14, 2017 9:53 pm

        I hope they didn’t use any diesel fire engines at Glenfell Tower !
        particulates from them could harm peoples health.

        Seriously I wonder in the coming month how much of the particulates entering West London’s lungs will come from the fire compared to diesel vehicles ?

      • A C Osborn permalink
        June 15, 2017 9:09 am

        Stew, you won’t find this research paper mentioned by the Beeb or any others of the MSM

        https://junkscience.com/2017/06/major-study-finds-no-association-between-pm2-5-and-death/#more-92015

        Absolutely no correlation between deaths, death rates and Ozone or Pm2.5 particles in the USA.

      • Jack Broughton permalink
        June 16, 2017 10:33 am

        Thanks for the link ACO, we can now look forward to seeing headlines saying “No increased death risk from PM2.5 according to experts” and the BBC clamouring for no subsidies for electric cars / Tesla.

  10. bushwalker permalink
    June 14, 2017 5:18 pm

    “Perry was a junior minister at the parliamentary under secretary for transport until July last year before quitting over the government’s failure to stop disruption on the Southern Rail franchise.”

    She had principles back then – maybe she still has.

    • Athelstan permalink
      June 15, 2017 8:12 am

      “the government’s failure” was mainly due to the rail unions insistence on go slows, overtime bans, all excuses to bring about stoppages galore and one/two/three day strikes, the government caved in, Perry got off the train for no other excuse than purely to preserve herself and her ever so more important precious career,climbing the greasy ladder, evidently it worked……………………………

      Virtue signalling, railing about a non existent threat is just so fantastically easy baybee, the feministas are so loud, so on message, so egregiously dimwitted – dahling! and bu99er to the consumers – they’ll just have to pay and pay and pay! Wa Hey!

      We will remember your name though.

  11. Ian Miller permalink
    June 14, 2017 5:31 pm

    We need to see an end to the relentless spread of wind turbines all over the country which although they are economically suicidal, is also totally devastating to rural communities and utterly destructive of our natural environment.
    Overall for huge taxpayer and bill-payer expense, (By far most of which falls on the English to fund these subsidies) Scotland gets no power delivery when the wind isn’t blowing, huge restraint payouts when the wind is too much, and overall, – at best, output is only 30% of the time. They require fossil fuelled backup available 100% of the time which is also subsidised to remain in business. The whole policy is utter madness, horrendously expensive and to stop Global Warming ? How can we be so STUPID as to believe that ?

    Regardless of the masses of propaganda being rammed down our throats, the actual sensitivity of the earth’s climate to CO2 is still not really known, and until we know what we are really talking about and the truth is evidence based, wind turbines should certainly not be forced on us now, with all 3rd persons right of appeal barred and discussion suppressed. Meanwhile our subsidised renewables policy amounts to no more than a White Elephant dissipating our National Wealth, Marxists are delighted with it because it is a means by which to impoverish the UK, and “to destroy the Capitalist system”. ( See Christiana Figueres’ mission statement in setting up the Paris Agreement)

  12. June 14, 2017 5:49 pm

    Yes, and she voted to remain in the EU. One can’t help thinking that Mother Theresa has put her in that post to keep her quiet. Perry has done good work in the past. Shame . . .

    • Gerry, England permalink
      June 15, 2017 12:43 pm

      Really? What has Perry achieved?

  13. Ian Miller permalink
    June 14, 2017 5:55 pm

    How can Amber Rudd tell us that African crop failures are the direct result of Global Warming when as as result of slight atmospheric CO2 increases alleged to cause Global Warming, reports to the contrary are that the continent is greening up as plants are known to thrive in a richer CO2 environment ? .

    CO2 instead of being considered a pollutant is a gas essential for plant life, absorbing the gas and releasing oxygen thus enabling plants and animals to exist in harmony

  14. Ian Miller permalink
    June 14, 2017 6:06 pm

    I asked: “How can Amber Rudd tell us……..” I meant the new girl Claire Perry.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      June 15, 2017 12:42 pm

      Nobody will notice – they all speak the same language. Drivel.

  15. Harry Passfield permalink
    June 14, 2017 9:28 pm

    I dropped a line to Ms Perry via the linked website:

    Dear Claire Perry (that’s you, minister, not your useless Greenpeace-aligned Spads),

    You said:

    climate change is “one of the most serious threats that we face” and that “greenhouse gas emissions from human activities are the dominant cause”.

    Well, get this: Climate change is NOT the most serious threat we face. I suggest maybe Islam attacking the West is. And get this further: ‘greenhouse gas emissions from human activities’ are NOT responsible: there is NO PROOF. But you won’t see that. You are under the political sway of the Green Marxists in your Ministry and DARE NOT argue against them (God forbid you get called a ‘Denier’!) Thank God that Trump has the balls that you lack to get the US out of the Paris (cough) Accord. You should try to emulate him.

    Yours, a realist and a sceptic – who stupidly voted Tory!! Hah!!!!

    • John F. Hultquist permalink
      June 15, 2017 3:27 am

      Harry,
      Get a grip.
      The chance of your screed/rant even making it into the building is next to zero.
      An automatic filter will route this, along with your name and e-mail address, into a file of cranks. When you do something really stupid (see: attack at the baseball field), this file will be used against you.
      I think I am on your side of this issue, but, I will deny I know of you if your name ever comes up.
      Just saying!

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        June 15, 2017 1:10 pm

        John, 😃 I have experienced my emails addressed to my MP (not rants) being intercepted by his Assistants. I just KBO.

    • HotScot permalink
      June 15, 2017 7:41 am

      Harry,

      I read your comment, along with the three other comments condemning this idiot and her insane ‘science’.

      What’s notable is that those are the only comments so far, from sceptics. That’s 100%, that’s higher than 97% (aka 0.3%).

    • June 18, 2017 5:28 pm

      ” maybe Islam attacking the West is.” How about maybe western backed ‘Islamists’ attacking Muslims and Christians both are the biggest problem. Western propaganda in support of the New Crusades loses focus when it comes to the realities of murdering foreigners in their bedrooms at home being a prime reason to fear blowback.

  16. June 14, 2017 10:07 pm

    Claire Perry MP 4 Oct 2015 :

    “the power of HS2 to drive economic growth cannot be overstated”. #transport #CPC15 @TransportHub

  17. June 14, 2017 10:08 pm

    “6th November 2015

    As you may already be aware, in our Manifesto, we said that we would support the safe development of shale gas and we set out plans to ensure that communities and the industry benefit from a swift process for developing safe, suitable shale exploration sites. ”
    https://www.claireperry.org.uk/fracking

    • Derek Buxton permalink
      June 15, 2017 9:52 am

      But where is the shale gas, all I have seen is protesters stopping the work on the sites, illegally. But no shale gas yet!
      How is it that we vote Tory and get socialist lies all the time. It s past time for the Tory party to wake up…FAST!

  18. June 14, 2017 10:20 pm

    Quoting from her website
    “The Paris Agreement was a momentous step forward, and with an existing target of an 80 per cent reduction in emissions by 2050, it was extremely welcome to see us committing to zero emissions. ”

    “Climate change is happening now and I agree that it is one of the most serious threats that we face. Indeed, it has been confirmed that greenhouse gas emissions from human activities are the dominant cause*, and that climate change will continue over the decades and centuries to come in the absence of significant emission reductions. **
    * (no it hasn’t)
    ** (cos Climate changes irrespective of human input)

    “Floods and forecasts show how climate is changing”
    “relentless rain, more rain in one day than has *ever been seen* in the UK, every single river in Lancashire at a record high and in Yorkshire some rivers a metre higher than they have ever been before.
    This is a clear example of the impact of climate change on the UK ”
    * (not true of course)

    “by 2020 the most polluting diesel vehicles will be discouraged from entering new Clean Air Zones ….. I understand that this will affect old polluting buses, coaches, taxis and lorries, but NOT newer vehicles that meet the latest emission standards, or * private cars* .”

    One of the main reasons cities continue to face air quality problems is that diesel vehicles have failed to deliver expected emission reductions in real world driving conditions.
    * (“air quality problems” are independent of CO2 ” emission reductions” yet she confuses the two)

    • Athelstan permalink
      June 15, 2017 8:27 am

      Good Lord, all of that guff reads adequately enough………… for some 13 year old school girl’s essay. For heavens sake, this woman floats on a cloud of self congratulatory twaddle but blaring bubble headed specious nostrums.

      I doubt that, she was ever able to budget her pocket money, Mind you, if the boss is an incompetent bird brain, moreover in order not to be regularly shown up for what she is, Theresa, she’s hardly likely to surround herself with geniuses – that’s if, even if, any could be found. And therein is the tale not only of political governance during the last 40 years, but also of the way the corporate world works and that, if you’re any good you have to go out and set up on your own.

  19. tom0mason permalink
    June 15, 2017 12:53 am

    “It is only fair to expect bill payers to support low carbon power” Says new Energy Minister”

    Clare Perry,
    NO, IT IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE!

    Affordable power from all forms of fossil and nuclear generation is all that is required.
    NO to expensive, intermittent, anti-commerce, crony capitalist green dross!

    If you must do something green and help improve the world —
    Contact every British oversea states, and every part of the the old British commonwealth offering lucrative contracts to have them plant native trees and shrubs to offset the UK’s perceived warming due to our increased fuel burning.
    This is a win-win scheme if you try hard enough, the British commonwealth gets better kudos from being greener (improve tourism? more ‘green’ researchers investigating environmental issues? ), the UK gets more industrial investment riding of the back of cheaper electricity.

    If the UN doesn’t like the scheme inform all the British Commonwealth states they might be required to lobby the UN to get a contract, if all else fails tell the UN to stuff their highhanded elitist ways up the orifice where the solar panel never operates!

    • John F. Hultquist permalink
      June 15, 2017 3:17 am

      It is only fair to expect” the UK to pay me to plant native trees and shrubs to offset the UK’s perceived warming.
      I have the land and a shovel. I’ll need trees. I will plant 50 per year over the next 10 years. I will start as soon as your bank transfers begin; just 1000 pounds per tree.
      Thanks very much.

      • June 15, 2017 8:12 am

        You cheapskate, Hultquist!

        You are just trying to undercut the market leaders in this business.

        I suppose you are even going to let the trees grow, after you have received that pitiful payment. Plant-payment-uproot-plant… etc. Why do you think the saplings come with rootballs? One window-box and one sapling and you get 50K a year.

        Amateur!

      • A C Osborn permalink
        June 15, 2017 9:14 am

        No he is going to sell them to DRAX as biofuel.

      • tom0mason permalink
        June 15, 2017 2:28 pm

        I see no problem, after all the UK overall would be heading in an economically better way than littering the country with useless windmills, solar panels, all the additional infrastructure and foisting ‘smart’ meters on the population.

        I’m sure that if we can push through an Internationally price agreed price for ‘saving’ coral reef (via the UN) that could be in the mix also, thus ‘helping’ all those Caribbean island nation and Australia. Thus improving our relation with all these peoples and helping our trade with them.

    • David Benn permalink
      June 15, 2017 12:26 pm

      No need to go overseas in order to boost tree planting.

      I distinctly remember that nice Sadiq Khan promising to plant thousands of trees all across London………wonder how many he’s planted so far?

      ;¬)

  20. NeilC permalink
    June 15, 2017 5:48 am

    Dear Clare Perry,

    I would like to bring your attention to the facts that the trends for the last 18 years in the UK (covering 95% of the population) are flat as a pancake. There has been NO significant changes in pressure, temperature, humidity, sunshine, rainfall volume, and rainfall duration.

    I have been collecting raw hourly weather data for 28 locations in the UK for 18 years and have all this data filed.

    Anthropogenic (that’s human) CO2 emissions have NOT made any significant difference to our weather. You need to understand that the burning of fossil fuels is NOT a problem.

    I don’t know who informs you on climate change, but they are LYING to you.

    The Climate Change Act 2008 needs to be repealed urgently.

    People who believe in this scam, like you, should show the rest of us by example not to use anything made from fossil fuels. Only use renewable energy, do not use motorised transport, do not use anything made from plastics or metals.

    One day, people like you will be held responsible for ruining our country. I hope you are pleased with yourself.

    • HotScot permalink
      June 15, 2017 7:51 am

      NeilC

      That would make an interesting article for this site and WUWT.

      And Anthony Watts is calling out for contributors as after nearly 11 years of continual work on WUWT he’s taking a break for a month.

      • CheshireRed permalink
        June 15, 2017 8:16 am

        @ HotScot and NeilC

        Neil, I agree with HotScot. How about you have a chat with Paul, who has this well-respected platform that could enable your data to reach a much wider audience through WUWT, Booker and so on? If your UK temp / weather / climate data really is as flat as you say it could make an absolute mockery of government claims. (In which case prepare to be vilified in the Guardian!)

        As for Claire Perry and her ilk, with the best will in the world as a Tory voter the fact is they keep on making completely unjustified claims to support their ludicrous CC Act folly. It’s achieving plenty of things; higher prices, tighter energy supply and making multi-millionaires out of wind developers but cutting energy prices? Not so much. My God it’s just so relentlessly stupid.

    • Athelstan permalink
      June 15, 2017 8:38 am

      CheshireRed, says it, NeilC, your data needs to been advertised and ‘out there’ someone needs to put out the truth and to counter the narrative, its blizzard of lies and that fekkin phrase ‘unprecendented climate change’ – there is nothing new under the sun and records are broken but the leitmotif is and all over the world: weather is common that’s nothing unusual.

  21. NeilC permalink
    June 15, 2017 9:35 am

    HotScot, CheshireRed, Athelstan

    I will put something together and liaise with Paul

    • HotScot permalink
      June 15, 2017 11:42 am

      Excellent Neil.

      We look forward to it.

  22. Vernon E permalink
    June 15, 2017 9:44 am

    What a lot of ranting and nobody’s listening. Personally I have given up – time to batten down the hatches.

    • HotScot permalink
      June 15, 2017 11:52 am

      Vernon E,

      But they are listening mate, lots of people out there beginning to question the climate science concencus because nothing has changed in over 40 years, other than the planet is greening.

      The real change will be like a tsunami. Our current green, socialist youth will figure out they have been conned and revolt, which will only take a few more years.

      Allegedly, Churchill (amongst others) said, if you’re young and not a socialist, you have no heart. But if your old and still a socialist, you have no brain.

      Just to encourage you here’s a nice little link to a UN online poll taken by nearly 10M people across the planet. Of 16 subjects considered important in life like, education, health, transport etc. climate change came a dismal last to internet access.

      No one cares, because nothing is happening.

      http://data.myworld2015.org

      • tom0mason permalink
        June 15, 2017 2:33 pm

        That ‘UN online poll taken by nearly 10M people across the planet.’ was not representative as the Russians hacked the results for Trump!

      • HotScot permalink
        June 16, 2017 10:57 am

        Oh good grief. Please stop it.

  23. Gerry, England permalink
    June 15, 2017 12:46 pm

    Given the farcical mess May – aka The Bloody Stupid Woman – has made of the election, it sadly looks like the promise to cap energy bills won’t make it through. I was looking forward to the review and how they were going to deal with the awkward fact that government policy is the cause of bills increasing.

  24. gallopingcamel permalink
    June 15, 2017 6:14 pm

    I weep for my countrymen. What a dunce. How can you get rid of her before she does serious harm?

    THFT …Thank God For Trump.

  25. June 18, 2017 5:38 pm

    HotScot Re: Tomomason I thought he was funny. There has never been in my recollection such a fuss over a total lack of evidence implicating ‘the usual suspects’, who, as is only sensible, think that the hoopla is evidence of mental incompetence. Unless, perhaps, one came to the matter of ‘climate catastrophe.’

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