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New coal-fired power stations: World 621, Australia zero. Now understand?

September 14, 2017

By Paul Homewood

From the Herald Sun in Melbourne:

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Does this perhaps explain why we’re running out of electricity yet paying through the nose? 

New coal-fired generators being built:

China: 299

India: 132

Indonesia: 32

World: 621

Australia: zero

The data was requested by ­Nationals senator and party whip John Williams, who has argued that the carbon emissions produced by the new plants worldwide would eclipse Australia’s total carbon emission profile.

“We don’t have a tent over Australia … emissions are going up around the world because of these generators being built,” ­Senator Williams told The Australian. “We are bowing down to the green agenda which will make no difference to the world’s ­emissions.

“It makes no sense. We will de-industrialise Australia and let everything be manufactured overseas with higher emissions.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/new-coalfired-power-stations-world-621-australia-zero-now-understand/news-story/865d0daf16bfdbc4c8c399f8eea2a759

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23 Comments
  1. John Palmer permalink
    September 14, 2017 1:43 pm

    Wouldn’t it be lovely if we had a broadcasting service prepared to run our points of view past the Nation like that?
    Fat bl***y chance!

  2. September 14, 2017 1:49 pm

    It’s very unusual to have a sensible politician who asks sensible questions. The rest are just sheep who stick in the flock.

  3. Sara Hall permalink
    September 14, 2017 2:01 pm

    Oh the stupid, how it burns, except that it plainly doesn’t because it’s just too green.

  4. Athelstan permalink
    September 14, 2017 2:16 pm

    Coal is; efficient, just about perfect generator for constant ie base load electricity – good for industrial manufacturing something that we taught the world, as China, India and Indonesia know full well.
    Coal is cheap, plentiful and near here – trillions of tons under the north sea, plus reckoned to be 250 years supply under our very feet!

    Security of supply, the technology is effective, functional, feasible available in two years from foundations.

    There is no counter argument unless you believe in the green father Christmas or, are a retard/communist and or, same difference; bliar, RED ED, cast iron dave, chris huhne, ed davey, spreadshit phil/theresa may generation youf-corbynistas ad ignorantia.

    • BLACK PEARL permalink
      September 14, 2017 5:16 pm

      Comprehensive list of idiots there !
      Wonder what happened to this ?
      http://www.thejournal.co.uk/news/north-east-news/drilling-date-set-north-seas-6896191

      • Athelstan permalink
        September 14, 2017 5:39 pm

        Thank you for the link, interesting stuff and what happened to these wonderful plans?

        I am sure that I don’t know and it greatly saddens me that such a bountiful and fantastic resource is still where nature ‘made it’ – waiting for some clever chaps to come, mine and then to burn it to power our homes, industry, hospitals and much else besides……………….wind ‘power’ – my ar**.

    • HotScot permalink
      September 15, 2017 7:44 am

      It’s all beginning to collapse, like the inevitable house of cards. First Trump kicks the Paris Accord into touch, then the Aussies begin to look at reliable baseload energy based on gas to prop up their failed renewables. Then in the UK, a document is snapped on a train when an indiscreet official is reading it; evidently, following Brexit releasing us from EU fines, the UK will ignore the demand to reduce CO2 emissions.

      And why wouldn’t the UK abandon their commitment to reducing CO2 emissions in light of their daft diktat that all cars will be electric by 2040 requiring numerous new cheap (coal or gas) power plants to be built.

      Something has to give.

      The only real question remaining is, what country will be next?

      • Gerry, England permalink
        September 15, 2017 12:52 pm

        Whether we abandon CO2 limits on Brexit depends if any deal is agreed that requires the limits to stay. In a tacit admission that they cause damage, the EU has already said that it would not want to see us dump the restrictions and cut corporation tax to our competitive advantage. Since trade deals are more about other things, restrictions on these could be bound in. But since a ‘no deal’ exit seems to be the plan, there won’t be any restriction on CO2 emissions although a trashed economy will ironically achieve a reduction anyway.

      • HotScot permalink
        September 15, 2017 1:12 pm

        Gerry,

        there is no more evidence to suggest the British economy will be trashed following Brexit than there is for AGW.

        Everything the catastrophists predict is little more than guesswork, just like AGW, let’s take all the worst case scenarios we can imagine, bundle them all together and forecast that as the future of the UK.

        Talk to a remainer and they absolutely refuse to acknowledge there are any benefits whatsoever to Brexit.

        The world just doesn’t operate like that.

  5. John F. Hultquist permalink
    September 14, 2017 4:18 pm

    Ease of transport and storage are two advantages coal has over other fuels.
    Of course, AU should be building “nukes” if they want to reduce the carbon footprint while remaining a modern society. Such does not seem to be the plan. The plan seems to be to return society to the 14th Century.

  6. NeilC permalink
    September 14, 2017 6:12 pm

    UK Zero

  7. CheshireRed permalink
    September 14, 2017 7:11 pm

    Are those figures right? I remember seeing China and India combined at around 1,500 new coal plants with another 900 for RoW. Think it was on Tony Heller’s site. Total 2,400 new coal power stations in planning, construction or opening phases. Maybe some of those have been cancelled with figures revised downwards?

    Here’s a claim of 1,600 in WUWT.
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/07/03/forget-paris-1600-new-coal-power-plants-built-around-the-world/

    Carbon Brief say 370 for India alone.
    https://www.carbonbrief.org/india-planned-coal-plants-could-single-handedly-jeopordise-one-point-five-target

    Bottom line is there’s hundreds of new coal plants being built globally, so (as has been said repeatedly) it matters not one whit what the West is doing, carbon emissions are still on a one-way trajectory.

    • Athelstan permalink
      September 14, 2017 8:05 pm

      Does this mean the Paris accord was a total sham?

      Hmm,that’s a surprise……….. but just think! Yes! only Britain accords – the death via ruinables and the green agenda, a unilateral suicide note signed off by mother Theresa.

      So green are we, it makes the SJW’s warm inside and the rest of the proles will freeze to death because gaz and lecky will not be switched on on account of massive price increases and very, very limited supply. hip hoo bloody ray for the watermelons and HMG – the gutless wonders that they are, mind you, there are other ways to describe them….I am quite sure that you could think of some……………

    • beowulf permalink
      September 14, 2017 11:12 pm

      That figure of 621 was compiled by a parliamentary lackey, so don’t expect it to be correct or comprehensive. It’s a wonder they even found 621 given their bias.

      The National Party mentioned above (junior coalition partners in the government) has just come out with a policy decision to cut renewable subsidies entirely within 5 years.

      Other members of the governing Liberal Party are now emboldened to make a stand against renewables. Former PM Tony Abbott who was always against renewables, is due to give a speech to the GWPF where he will call for the cutting of all subsidies to power generators in Oz.

      The poo is starting to hit the fan, and not before time. Watch this space. We may yet see another leadership coup in the government brought on by the power crisis, after all, we can get rid of PMs like no other democracy. We have a couple of state elections coming up next year; they should be interesting too, especially South Oz where Premier Wetherill is busy installing diesel generators to get the “wind power state” through the coming summer.

      • Graeme No.3 permalink
        September 15, 2017 10:04 am

        beowulf:
        The actual process is that SA will rely on diesel generators to get through the summer peak demand. With these new 240MW ..diesel generators (I’m not sure what the final capacity is, rather that that announced by the government) installed by the local grid company, incidentally working hard to prune trees back from the power lines to avoid one of last years storm induced blackouts). And I will be without power for 7 hours next week because of up-grades to the grid.
        The Government OCGT station plan has been replaced by plan B in which the quick response power station has been replaced by 9 gas turbines initially running on diesel due to lack of gas supply (queue backgound music “I am the master of emergency supply”) supposedly under the control of the State part-time Minister for Electricity Tom Koutsantonis (who when shortages threaten will don a Captain Bligh hat and order “start the turbines”).
        Then there is Plan C the solar heat power Station to be installed (after the election) at Never Never Land north of Port Augusta where a kindly USA Company with install a similar station to the previous fiasco at HALF the cost! and 40% of the running cost! generating more power than is possible unless the sun shines 14.5 hours day every day of the year.
        As they say in those classic TV shows “Mind how you go, and watch out for flocks of flying green pigs”.

    • September 15, 2017 10:06 am

      I think the difference is between “under construction” and “planned”

  8. markl permalink
    September 14, 2017 9:22 pm

    Australia….. ground zero for renewable energy guinea pigs. Keep force feeding them wind and solar until they die in the name of research. Sad, but true.

    • September 14, 2017 9:41 pm

      Hold on…’The Turnbull government is working on a major redesign of the clean energy target that will likely fall short of the plan for almost half of Australia’s electricity to be generated by renewables by 2030.’ [dated September 13, 2017]

      http://www.climatechange.ie/turnbull-government-is-working-on-a-major-redesign-of-the-clean-energy-target/

      • Graeme No.3 permalink
        September 14, 2017 10:22 pm

        oldbrew:
        For some reason our ‘beloved’ Prime minister is known, in some circles, as Lord Waffles. Other circles have names that wouldn’t get past the censor.
        The problem is that electricity is supposed to be a State matter and the Labor governed States are hell bent on 50% renewables, partly because they are ignoramuses and partly because it pressures the PM (who is a believer in green magic) to do so. So put no faith in him.
        It has become impossible to get a sensible decision from the lawyers infesting our Federal parliament, nor through the Opposition controlled Senate, so Australia gets ever more expensive electricity and shortly blackouts. The electricity generators don’t mind if the generation shortage drives the price up, nor will they invest in anything other than renewables which have become very profitable. The generators of renewable energy are given a Certificate (free) for every MWh they make which they sell to the retailers at $82-90 (£49-54), on top of a wholesale price of $90-120 for a combined return of $172 – 212 (£103-127) a MWh. The cost varies State to State with SA having the highest % of renewables and the highest cost, whereas Qld. has little renewables and lots of coal fired, but demand for supply has forced (no resistance from the government owned generator) the cost up, although the wholesale price can often drop to $70 there.

        And when demand is really high, which will be on hot days this coming summer, then prices in SA will double and triple because the wind farms generate most on winter nights. So my generator is being installed next week.

  9. markl permalink
    September 15, 2017 12:23 am

    “…So my generator is being installed next week…..” A sign of the times. When you can’t trust the government to provide what is in their domain you do it yourself. The Western world is going down this path out of necessity. Rooftop solar panels can only provide so much in good conditions. What are we degenerating to? The government grows yet we rely more on ourselves for basic utilities? Water is next. Then sewage. What’s wrong with this picture?

  10. dave permalink
    September 15, 2017 7:31 am

    “…generation shortage…”

    I like the double meaning.

  11. M E Emberson permalink
    September 15, 2017 9:01 am

    Meanwhile in New Zealand we will be having a conference on Climate Change and Business.in October. Sponsors include the biggest Insurers in NZ and a trans Tasman bank. Pictures of Ice floes on the web page look nice but seem irrelevant, unless the ‘Climate Change’ includes an approaching Ice Age alternative instead of the current Global Warming hypothesis.
    http://www.climateandbusiness.com/

  12. dave permalink
    September 15, 2017 9:22 am

    “Ice floes…”

    “Soon, this may just be a memory!” is the idea. It is a coded image for the insiders.

    It reminds me of the story about a man whio goes to a prison for long-termers, and attends a get-together on his first evening. Somebody gets up and says “933” and everybody laughs. His neighbour explains. “That is a good joke. But we have heard all our jokes so often we just refer to them by number.” So the new-comer a little later gets up himself and calls out “933” only to be greeted by silence. Puzzled, he turns to the same neighbour, who tells him “You didn’t tell it right!”

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