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Lincolnshire Green!

September 24, 2017

By Paul Homewood

 

 

h/t stewgreen

 

 

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The latest electric car technology is being trialled in Lincolnshire as part of a drive by the police and crime commissioner to create the “greenest” police force in the UK.

PCC Marc Jones has already instigated a project to change lighting at Lincolnshire Police headquarters to LEDs – saving the equivalent of two officers’ salaries a year.

And he has commissioned a full report on the latest sustainable technologies available to the force, which will form the basis of a new environmental strategy.

The first step for Lincolnshire Police is to trial electric cars and officers are currently testing the Nissan LEAF. Initially the force is looking at electric vehicles for community roles rather than pursuit. The Nissan LEAF is said by the force to have a range of up to 155 miles and is fitted with a braking system which converts some of the energy lost from braking into extra charge for the battery and stores it for later. Mr Jones said: “I’m ambitious for Lincolnshire Police to become the ‘greenest’ most sustainable force in the UK.

“I have requested a full assessment of opportunities to develop this aim. I want to see our buildings assessed for opportunities to be more efficient and to embrace new technologies to reduce carbon footprint and cost to the taxpayers of Lincolnshire. “I want to see the vehicles used by the force keeping pace with operational requirements but also with changing technology to ensure pollution and fuel use is kept to a minimum.

“Challenges around charging points for electric vehicles and the distances involved to cover Lincolnshire will present a huge challenge but one that we can and will meet.” This would require charging points installed at all the county’s police stations, as currently there are barely any public charging point anywhere on the eastern side of Lincolnshire.

The trial and drive for a sustainable force is backed by Chief Constable Bill Skelly. “I want Lincolnshire Police to make a positive contribution to the county, providing excellent policing, but we also need to look at how we deliver that service. To that end, I want to explore all options for improving our energy efficiency,” he said. “This trial of a single electric vehicle will be a pre-cursor to a much broader plan for using electric vehicles. Alongside this I support a review of energy efficiency across the whole estate to highlight opportunities for reducing energy usage and maximising our ability to utilise renewable energy sources.”

The LED project, which cost £350,000, has been paid for using a Government backed funding scheme which means the force pay back the cost of the work from the savings made. The force has some way to go to catch up with the likes of Gloucestershire Police who have been using a fleet of seven Nissan LEAF electric cars since the summer of 2016. Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner for Gloucestershire Chris Brierley said: “We love them.” He said they are committed to environmentalism and have been awarded for their drive to reduce energy consumption.

Mr Brierley said: “We use them mainly in urban areas and PCSOs use them a lot. We have made sure all our stations have charging points.” He and the Police and Crime Commissioner went to a low carbon conference and discovered zero emission motorcycles being trialled in London and hybrid engine police vans, fitting in line with EU rulings on emissions. Mr Brierley admitted: “Range is still an issue with some of them and we are quite rural so it makes you conscious of your range and the lack of charging points, but our pool car at the office is a Nissan LEAF with a range of about 90 miles. Whenever we look at replacing vehicles we will look at if it can be electric, or a hybrid or petrol – diesel is the last resort.”

http://www.sleafordstandard.co.uk/news/crime/stop-police-i-need-to-change-my-batteries-lincolnshire-police-to-trial-electric-powered-patrol-cars-1-8155433

 

It goes without saying that the police, and all public bodies, should continually strive to keep costs to a minimum.

Regardless of the specific costs of running electric cars, including the provision of charging points, there are other more fundamental issues.

As they admit, the Nissan Leafs only have a very short range. While this may be enough for limited, daytime urban use by PCSOs, all police cars should be available for use on a 24-hour basis.

If the Leafs are out of action overnight, either more cars are needed or the provision of police support is reduced.

The prime role of the police force is to help enforce the law and protect the public, and nothing else should be allowed to detract from that.

It is certainly not their job to save the planet. Pursuing a green strategy can only divert resources, both time and money, from their proper job.

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35 Comments
  1. Robert Fairless permalink
    September 24, 2017 11:58 am

    It’s a pity the Police did not apply as much money and energy preventing and investigating crime. But, no, they think they have a mandate to involve themselves in political matters. No wonder ordinary citizens are being so badly served.

  2. Geoff Sherrington permalink
    September 24, 2017 11:59 am

    In Victoria Green, Aust., the police have bought 80 BMW 5 series, 3 litre turbo diesels.
    Does our virtue signalling trump yours?
    According to BMW, the 530d was selected over other 5 Series variants because of its commercial cost effectiveness despite its $121,600 before on-roads consumer pricetag, which is $29,400 dearer than that of the range-opening 520i ($92,200).

    BTW, the cars they replace were mainly GM Holdens made in Aust with 5 litre V8 engines. There might even be some supercharged ones. Either way, they would eat up the Beamers for comfort, room, acceleration and top speed. No contest. 304 kW versus 195.
    My own Holden is a supercharged V6 of 3.8 litres.
    Geoff.

  3. glenwaytown permalink
    September 24, 2017 12:35 pm

    “The LED project, which cost £350,000, has been paid for using a Government backed funding scheme which means the force pay back the cost of the work from the savings made”.

    That must be a very large building to spend that much on lighting. I wonder what impact these low energy LED’s will have on their heating bills?

  4. September 24, 2017 12:41 pm

    This is yet more evidence that the lunatics are firmly in charge.

    • A C Osborn permalink
      September 24, 2017 1:50 pm

      I disagree, as much as I hate this Green Crap, what they are doing by taking advantage of stupid Govenment subsidies plus the stupid Government losing the Tax Revenue on Fossil Fuels they are actually saving their local public and Council money.
      The rest of the UK tax payers are picking up the bill for it instead, ie robbing Peter to pay Paul.

      It makes them look good to some people but what they spend the “savings” on is another matter entirely.

  5. JJB MKI permalink
    September 24, 2017 12:43 pm

    Lincolnshire HQ looks like a very modern building which would already have LED lights or fluorescent lighting. So at least £50,000 per year savings for slightly more efficient LED’s? This smells like BS from the start. Someone wants to swap investment in public safety for bragging rights at dinner parties..

    • Curious George permalink
      September 24, 2017 6:11 pm

      They expect to use an eco-friendly (but extremely expensive) power.

  6. John Smith permalink
    September 24, 2017 12:45 pm

    “Changing to LED lighting cost £350,000 saving the equivalent of two officer’s salaries a year.” I hope their officers earn a lot of money.

    I do think LED lighting is generally a good idea. I use LED lights throughout my home and my total lighting consumes around 100 Watts, but it did not cost me much; just the cost of the bulbs at around £2.5 each.

    • September 24, 2017 2:28 pm

      @glenwaytown @JJB MKI @John Smith
      The LED lighting scheme is his strongest claim
      “will lower annual bills by £90K enabling 2 extra policemen”
      #1 Extraordinary Claim with no extraordinary evidence
      on Twitter he engaged and I asked him for evidence, but then took the first opp to block me.
      #2 I am left to divine that ..Likely HALOGEN lighting units in police garages/ floodlighting are the main energy saving area.
      #3 Rule of costing is that you take account of ALL Negatives and Positives, whereas he’s cherrypicking just lower electric bill
      @glenwaytown is right o say some places you’ll be turning up the heating
      #4 You can’t compare Apples vs Oranges
      it is entirely normal to replace halogen at end of life with LED ie Scenario-Norma
      … in 5 years time natural replacement would have reduced the electric bill
      So you can’t claim that the Special Program (Scenario-SP) is SAVING £90K that year
      #5 In 15 years time on cycle of natural replacement you’d be all LED anyway and at the same electric use as with Special LED scheme now,
      By rushing to swap all the unit over in 1 year, they’ve written down the ASSETvalue of all existing halogen units to zero, even ones that you just installed 2 years ago.

      He makes out that you are paying that £350K back in 4 years
      but if we go with his figures the difference in electric bills would be like
      £90K, £83K, £76K, £69K
      Even so that is not the actual saving cos in Scenario-SP your LED units have lower asset value cos they are older and will need replacing sooner.
      : Total Saving = Leccy savings – Extra Heat cost – Asset Value written off – The loan scheme and admin
      (He would say the loan scheme costs zero, but ultimately the Taxpayer funds this cost)
      If you do the maths it doesn’t make sense to replace something new even tho it uses less electricity, but what you might do is replace it a couple of years early.

      My experience is that manpower is the biggest cost ie Changing 1 light bulb costs more than the whole electricity it uses in 1 year.
      Bottomline by year 10 they are saving nothing like £90K/year against Scenario-Normal, I guess they’d be be barely breaking even. So the police budget is not benefitting and there are no extra officers.

      • September 26, 2017 12:28 pm

        We could always ponder “how many environmentalists does it take to change a light bulb?”

  7. Philip Foster permalink
    September 24, 2017 2:20 pm

    I found myself behind a Leaf in Lincolnshire on the A15 – it was doing a steady 40 mph holding up a queue of traffic.

    • September 24, 2017 2:41 pm

      Wait until the cold weather comes in and drains the battery; the advertised and inflated figure of 155 range will suddenly drop to half that.

      • September 24, 2017 3:26 pm

        It will drop to half as long as he doesn’t use the heater.

      • September 26, 2017 12:30 pm

        I still snicker at the mental image of the Los Angeles freeways littered with little dead Tesla’s–or fallen “Leafs.”

  8. September 24, 2017 2:41 pm

    The maths of the electric car is even worse when you fact all costs
    Police cost side ..and Government side
    The idea is you spend more on the vehicle but save energy on fuel
    ..but you have to take account that second hand value of the EV will be zero, and the battery will have deteriorated.
    But to the taxpayer there is a major extra cost.
    Cos the police force might be paying £1m/year in petrol taxes + North sea taxes
    In the EV scenario central gov gets no fuel taxes so £1m is cut from the Tax fund

    The gov can’t cope with all petrol taxes disappearing so it is inevitable that EV’s will be subjected to extra taxes so the police EV running costs will go up.

    Police will also have to pay for building all their charging stations.

    It’s not the police’s job to PIONEER & test new green tech. It’s up to the suppliers to get their side up to scratch and then sell the police a fully costed system.

  9. September 24, 2017 2:43 pm

    Inevitably while the police are busy on their green crusade, they’ll fail to arrest Mr Cowboy Waste Company ..and his pile will ‘accidentally’ burn down and pollute the atmosphere.

  10. September 24, 2017 2:49 pm

    Context : I woke up on Tuesday morning and BBC Radio Lincs was providing its usual free advertising platform to the GreenBlob by hyping up “Greenest Police Force”
    by listening to the 8:20am interview it became apparent that the PCC had been along to Low Carbon Conference with his Glos DepPCC pal and that he was simply full of brainwashing from the salesmen..he doesn’t really understand the issues.
    Like he thought it was “really clever” the Leaf has regenerative braking (unaware that all EVs do)
    To be fair the BBC interviewer didn’t roll over, he aired a lot of negative public comments.
    @Pcar has put the interview here
    so it should autoplay vid.me/zfkIp
    (Later I’ll try to get it up on YouTube)

  11. September 24, 2017 2:53 pm

    “It is certainly not their job to save the planet. Pursuing a green strategy can only divert resources, both time and money, from their proper job.”

    For sure. On the other hand, only when people, in large enough numbers, begin to experience the utter futility of these ‘planet saving’ measures will the backlash begin to gather pace. Obnoxious though it is, for the moment, maybe better to applaud the efforts of these numbskulls.

  12. Athelstan permalink
    September 24, 2017 3:51 pm

    O/T but did anyone see the report on the [Sky I think] about the recent Hurricane events I only managed to catch the last few minutes, and then the telephone rang and by the time I reentered the room the TV had been switched over……….. I cannot find it on Sky site but from the few minutes I managed to catch of it, the narrator was making some extraordinary and preposterous claims.

    ??, sorry but that’s all.

    • September 24, 2017 8:34 pm

      Twitter is the master tool for checking recent events
      Typing “SkyNews Hurricane” gives me video1
      video2

  13. September 24, 2017 3:56 pm

    Batteries will degrade with usage leading to lower range. Not a problem with fuel-powered cars.

    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1111264_new-life-for-old-nissan-leaf-electric-car-battery-replacement-and-what-it-took

    • September 26, 2017 12:34 pm

      They need to report on the cost and environmental implications of producing those batteries. It is not a pretty picture.

  14. tom0mason permalink
    September 24, 2017 5:10 pm

    “I’m ambitious for Lincolnshire Police to become the ‘greenest’ most sustainable force in the UK.” PCC Marc Jones said.

    I wonder if the good people of Lincolnshire appreciate this, or would prefer the Lincolnshire Police do their job of reducing crime, specially violent and anti-social behaviour, instead of ‘saving the planet™’.

    • mikewaite permalink
      September 24, 2017 6:44 pm

      tomomason
      You are quite correct . Whilst analyses of the economics of LED lighting and the advantages and disadvantages of electric patrol cars are very important administrative and operational issues , at the heart of this project is the desire of a few select men and women at the top of the police organisations to ingratiate themselves with what they perceive to be Govt policy .
      There is no indication that the patrol men and women were asked for their preferences , no analysis was quoted about the effect on crime fighting in Glos where this initiative appears to have originated . The role and purpose of a county police force appears to have been subverted to satisfy one person’s political ambitions with no input from the public who not only are the source of money but are also the victims of crime.
      Not good.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      September 24, 2017 9:37 pm

      I am sure an underwhelming number of electors actually voted for this idiot.

      As told to me by a proper cop, when they were a police force they provided a service – now they are a service they provide F all.

  15. September 24, 2017 8:43 pm

    It’s the “Buy yourself Green” behaviour
    Seen it a million times at Green festivals.
    “I just need to buy stuff that makes me green”
    The things is that the greenest thing is to NOT BUY stuff, but people are conditioned.
    Then their is a kind of gambler’s fallacy.
    You count your potential wins
    … but you forget the negatives.
    That’s why Green hedgefunds like the game. It’s not a flat surface there is a direction of flow ..people want to believe in green stuff, it doesn’t have to really work.

  16. September 25, 2017 8:35 am

    “Green” and dripping Red Lincolnshire Police more like….. maybe PCC Jones might want to focus on more pressing priorities?

    • Jack Broughton permalink
      September 25, 2017 6:10 pm

      Crime in Lincolnshire obviously correlates with CO2: proves the case conclusively.

    • September 26, 2017 3:02 pm

      Wow did you do that specially or is it from another blog post ?

      • September 26, 2017 5:00 pm

        Standalone, sadly.

        I had the data to hand for all police crime for a blog post I’m preparing for mid October on UK Hate Crime, and it didn’t take long to just pull out Lincolnshire 🙂

  17. Philip of Taos permalink
    September 25, 2017 10:08 pm

    More expensive Stupidity.

  18. Barry Capsey permalink
    September 26, 2017 8:49 am

    OOOHH -how GWEEN! P’raps we could have pwitty wainbow paint-jobs too?? Come on Lincs police, you’re supposed to be a police FORCE, not a bunch of whiskered liberals!!

  19. September 26, 2017 3:39 pm

    News – last Tuesday – the PCC Virtue Signalled about Green
    ..This Tuesday the Chief Constable virtue Signalled about Pride
    by launching a new logo which removes old Lincolnshire symbols
    But now emphasises PRIDE as a symbol
    There are 2 new Radio Lincolnshire posts on the topic

    I note “Sustainable” is signalled in the justification

    – “is designed to be forward-looking”, -(management buzzword speak)
    – “promoting a sustainable force” (signalling Green Virtue)
    – “re-stating the force’s commitment to PRIDE” must be aware that in 2017 that word is owned by Gay Activism

    – “re-stating traditions (by retaining helmet, cap and flag badges)
    – and not dismissive of the force’s past.” (If you need to say that then something is wrong)

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