Biggest Wind Turbines Won’t Solve Our Energy Problems–Delingpole
By Paul Homewood
h/t AC Osborn
Dellers has a very good piece in the Mail today:
What could be more clean and natural than harvesting energy from the power of wind using gigantic turbines? Environmentalists have dreamed of this since at least the Thirties, when a Nazi German inventor called Dr Franz Lawaszeck theorised how to solve his country’s energy problems at a stroke.
He wrote: ‘Wind power, using the cost-free wind, can be built on a large scale. Improved technology will, in the future, make it no more expensive than thermal power . . . the wind towers must be at least 100 metres high, the higher the better, ideally with rotors 100 metres in diameter.’
Wind power was all the rage among Nazis, many of whom shared the party’s fanatical commitment to the environment. Other big fans included Hitler’s favourite commando, Otto Skorzeny.

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After an eventful war — which included springing Mussolini from his mountain-top jail in a daring glider operation and planning a (happily abortive) assassination attempt on Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin — the plucky SS-Obersturmbannführer settled in Spain where he spent his later years campaigning on behalf of the nascent wind industry.
But it has taken until now for the Nazis’ dream of a world powered by wind to become even remotely plausible.
In the Thirties, Lawaszeck’s scheme foundered for practical reasons: those giant turbines would have required 27,500 tons of steel each, approaching the amount used in the battleship Scharnhorst.
Today, though, huge turbines, even bigger than the ones Lawaszeck envisaged, can be built more efficiently using tubular steel and concrete (for the towers) and carbon fibre (for the blades). At last, the era of Big Wind is upon us, with a new generation of turbines that are bigger — and create more electricity — than ever before.
Danish firm LM Wind Power, a supplier of components to the industry, has since 2016 offered blades 290ft (88.4 metres) long — bigger than the wingspan of an Airbus A380, or nearly twice the length of an Olympic-sized swimming pool.
Perched on a rotor, they will sweep an area the size of three football pitches and — according to the manufacturer — pull the same weight as 16 African elephants, and each year produce electricity equivalent to the annual consumption of ‘around 10,000 homes — that’s a whole town’.
Which may sound like a lot except that you would require about 7,500 such turbines to supply the UK at peak time, and in any case, the intermittent nature of wind can’t generate an uninterrupted supply to a single house.
These monsters, however, will shortly be dwarfed by the world’s biggest turbine model — the Haliade-X 12 MW — which will soon be tested by GE Renewable Energy at Blyth, Northumberland.
Standing 853ft (260 metres) tall with 351ft-long blades (107 metres), it will produce electricity equal to the annual consumption of 16,000 homes. The size of such a turbine will make it too obtrusive to site on land. But one possibility is that it could be erected in large numbers far offshore, in an area such as Dogger Bank — a shallow stretch of the North Sea about 60 miles off the coast.
This is the proposed location of a giant wind farm being developed by the Dutch firm TenneT.
With a man-made island to house its substations, and many hundreds of turbines, it could theoretically have a capacity as huge as 30GW (gigawatts), though because of its low productivity it would still only generate energy equal to about a third of the UK’s needs, and would contribute little, or nothing, to security of supply.
What does this all mean for the future of energy? If wind power’s advocates are to be believed, something extraordinary.
The average power capacity needed to meet electricity demand at any moment for the UK is 36GW, with a summer low in the 20s and a winter peak of 62GW.
So that 30GW Dogger Bank project alone — if it ever comes to fruition — ought nearly to be enough to supply much of Britain’s electricity needs.
Imagine: no more ‘dirty’ fossil fuel power; just thousands of offshore turbines swishing in the distance, generating free, ‘low carbon’ electricity until the end of time.
So runs the theory. But then, as with so many utopian schemes, there are huge catches — starting with the eye-watering cost.
Electricity produced by onshore wind costs twice as much as conventional gas-fired electricity generation; offshore wind three times as much. The only reason the wind industry is viable is because of the massive subsidies it receives. Subsidies raised silently from your energy bill.
British Gas has said that by the end of this year, green taxes will add a fifth to the average fuel bill. Iain Conn, boss of parent company Centrica, said: ‘It is going to be, in our estimates, about £200 on everyone’s bill which is getting on for 20 per cent.’
By 2020/21, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), the total cost of all the subsidies for renewable electricity will be nearly £11 billion a year, and wind power will be taking more than half of that. And don’t be taken in by that ad campaign by Greenpeace and a coalition of environmental groups and electricity suppliers last year, claiming that the cost of wind energy is plummeting to the point where it’s now cheaper than fossil fuel power.
No it’s not. The ads were withdrawn as the result of a successful complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority, because they were deliberately misleading propaganda, based on projected costs, not real, current figures.
In fact, Professor Gordon Hughes, of the University of Edinburgh, and his colleagues showed in a recent study published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation think-tank, that the capital costs of new offshore wind farms do not appear to be falling and indeed appear to be still rising as wind projects move into deeper waters.
This new generation of mega-turbines, we’re told by green advocates, will solve most of these problems. Bigger blades and taller towers mean they’ll be able to capture the more plentiful wind that blows at higher altitudes, unlike the smaller turbines beset by ‘low wind days’ (one in every 5.6 days according to energy union GMB) when they’re generating little, if any, power. Thus they will become more cost-effective.
Also, being far out at sea, they won’t alienate all those rural voters who can’t stand having wind turbines industrialising the countryside, disturbing their sleep and killing bats and birds.
Despite its huge cost, offshore wind remains a vital part of the Government’s energy strategy — its best hope of meeting its EU-driven CO2 reduction obligations, under the 2008 Climate Change Act. But according to John Constable, of the Renewable Energy Foundation, this is a chimera.
Wind energy, he says, will never be a solution because of ‘fundamental physics: wind, by its nature, is a low density and intermittent flow of energy. Correcting those deficiencies to supply reliable electricity to consumers means huge capital expense in the turbines and in the electricity system as a whole’.
Making turbines bigger and putting them out at sea only makes things worse. They are much more expensive to erect and maintain in a remote, hostile environment, and have a much shorter working life.
Analysts have known for years that rising repair costs would mean the economic lifetimes of turbines were way under the 25 years promised by the industry.
In February this year, Danish offshore wind operator Ørsted admitted it might have to repair the blades of more than 600 turbines, after just a few years on the water, at a cost of about £1million per turbine.
And the bigger they are, the worse this is going to get, for all sorts of reasons.
These machines are already dealing with large forces, putting huge loads on their components. Making them bigger just increases the problem, and not just because of increased weight. Wind shear — the difference in wind speed at different heights — leads to uneven loading at the top and bottom of the blade radius and causes huge strain on the working parts. This is really difficult and very expensive engineering.
Then there’s the erosion of the blades, due to high-speed impacts with small particles, dust, ice and salt. Ørsted is replacing those blades because their edges had become rough, and as any engineer will tell you, when a wing gets rough it becomes unstable.
Then there’s the wind industry’s dirty little secret: according to some concerned ecologists, those spinning blades could be killing millions of birds and protected bats every year.
In Spain alone, one survey estimated, up to 330 birds and 670 bats are killed per turbine per year; a survey in Sweden put the bird death toll as high as 895 per turbine. The wind industry denies these estimates, which are hard to confirm, not least because the areas below the turbines where the bodies might be found are often jealously guarded.
But those figures are for onshore wind turbines. It’s likely that fewer birds are killed offshore because they are more scarce.
Indeed, according to a recent study at Vattenfall’s Thanet wind farm seven miles off the coast of Kent, just six collisions were recorded on video and radar over a two-year period — an average of one every four months.
The industry (which funded the Vattenfall study) is desperately trying to persuade us all that there isn’t a problem. But the RSPB, which has historically leaned over backwards to help the industry, is finally losing patience and has just rejected the latest impact study.
Concerns have also been raised about the damage done to other marine wildlife by offshore wind turbines. There is evidence to suggest the turbines’ lower frequency noise is disrupting the sonar of whales and dolphins, causing them to beach and die. Another offshore wind farm was implicated in the death of baby seals found stillborn on the beach nearby.
But if wind is really so expensive, inefficient and environmentally damaging, why does our Government remain so committed to it?
Largely because of the lobbying of a hugely powerful industry. An industry desperate not to lose its extraordinarily generous subsidies.
For example the (mostly foreign) owners of the London Array — the largest wind farm in the world, off the coast of Kent, which was opened by David Cameron in 2013 — receives about £190 million a year in subsidies, on top of selling electricity they make. That sort of windfall, forgive the pun, ensures the industry presses its case with ruthless efficiency.
It is now under real pressure. The Treasury has put a moratorium on new subsidies until the middle of the next decade at the earliest, and the wind industry is trying to survive by pretending that falling generation costs have made them economically viable. Secretly, they are hoping for a change of policy (Jeremy Corbyn?) and a stonking carbon tax.
This latest propaganda about ‘bigger’, ‘better’, ‘faster’ new mega-turbines is designed to keep us and the politicians in the industry’s thrall.
Even now, they are building the new biggest wind farm in the world, called Hornsea Project One, off the Yorkshire coast. It will have 174 turbines over a 240-square mile area, each 620ft high (189 metres). And that’s before we get on to Hornsea Projects Two and Three, which are already in the pipeline and which, you can bet, will be still larger and with even more monstrous turbines.
As the Renewable Energy Foundation’s John Constable explains: ‘All this is designed to give the illusion that there has been massive technological progress in the industry when in fact the major problems remain unsolved: the energy in the wind is of low quality. Turning it into high quality, reliable energy for the consumer is still very expensive indeed.’
Yet the propaganda often finds a ready audience because so many want to believe, against all the evidence, that wind must be a preferable alternative to our gas-fired turbines, vanishing set of coal-fired plants or ageing nuclear reactors.
We don’t want to hear about the intermittency of the wind, which makes it so problematic as a reliable source of power for an advanced economy and means we need alternative generating capacity as well.
Nor about all the pollution — and extra CO2 — generated by the gas-fired back-up for when the wind’s not blowing. Nor all those birds and bats being killed. Nor the capitalist fat-cats getting rich off all the subsidies we have to pay them.
As those Nazis believed in the Thirties, so today’s Greens — and the attendant climate industry — would have us believe today: that wind is the kinder, cheaper, cleaner, more natural solution to our energy problems.
Well, it isn’t.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5657885/JAMES-DELINGPOLE-wind-turbine-trick.html
I’m pleased that he mentions the new Hornsea wind farm being built. As the government’s Low Carbon Contracts Company, which runs the CfD contracts, shows, the current guaranteed strike price for Hornsea is £155.53/MWh, more than three times the market price:
In total, Hornsea will have a capacity of 1200 MW, when completed in 2021, enough to earn about £460 million a year in subsidies, on top of the value of electricity produced. (Based on 40% loading, output would be 4.2 TWh pa).
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A feature of windmills not mentioned in the article is their effect on the ground where they are supported: a few large ones have already fallen-down. The massive cyclical loads of gusting and wind speed changes cause much more impact than fracking would; but much worse in the case of marine windmills, is the fact that the earth’s crust is generally thinner over the seas than over land.
A few undersea earthquakes could make far more environmental impact than the minor tremors caused by fracking. Back to the caves anyone?
Here in the Solway Firth the runs of salmonids into rivers to the east of Robin Rigg offshore array have since it’s operational start fallen to such an extent that the taking of fish has been prohibited.
Not content with the obvious disruption caused by vibrations and scouring of sands in an estuary with one of the greatest tidal ranges in the world, they have plastered the fragile upstream moorland spawning and nursery areas with large numbers of turbines all with heavy duty access roads to carry the lorries delivering blades and other components.
Meanwhile a digester situated perilously close to at least one of the rivers threatens any fish that makes it back to spawn or smolts and runs for the ocean.
World Wildlife Fund, Friends of the Earth?
Irresponsible self serving brainless wonders more like, enriching the landowners and killing flora, fauna and OAPs in the process.
No mention of the security of offshore wind farms and the transmission cables to shore: very vulnerable to terrorists, foreign powers, dredging accidents, hurricanes, etc.
Big wind.
If we’re going to talk daft – Hornsea 12 MW?!
I predict a future anda humungously mind blowing, world class massive law suit, Germany, Holland and Denmark suing the UK for taking the wind out of their birdmincers, now stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
12? 1200 MW?
What about the cost to decommission these monstrosities? After all, the oil and gas companies are FORCED to decommission THEIR installations; and this type of cost (£40-60 Billion for the North Sea) eventually, inevitably, falls on the consumer.
Oh, but Oil & Gas are horribly polluting and planet destroying, whereas wind is “Clean & Green”…
Reblogged this on UPPER SONACHAN WIND FARM.
Should the public be concerned at the cost of the wind farms?
Our only concern must be to rein-in the lavish subsidies wasted on them.
I read somewhere that the company’s running these wind farms had set up some sort of financial set up that the wind towers are companies in their own right and run on the basis that they will bankrupt when decommissioning comes so the wind companies can escape the decommissioning costs.
Is there anybody who has more info on this?
Keith, try asking Claire Perry. She ought to know. (grin)
How about requiring them to place a deposit in trust to fund decommissioning?
They’l just use taxpayer money…
If wind power used to generate electricity is so good, take away all subsidies and grid priority and see how many will be built. It is little more than useless and does nothing to reduce CO2. Imagine the amount of concrete that will be necessary to build these huge structures (cement production produces huge amounts of CO2), And wind power is still UNRELIABLE.
As CO2 has risen by 17% in the UK and temperatures have not increaed in the UK for 20 years it is obvious that CO2 does not cause warming.
The cheapest, most efficient electricity generation is by coal and gas, so get fracking and build some new coal fired power stations in the UK for security purposes. But that is far too sensible for our useless government to consider.
NeilC
Two things you might like to see:
1. A Ted talk by the late Dr. David MacKay on the futility of renewable’s (but he continued to support them!). https://www.ted.com/talks/david_mackay_a_reality_check_on_renewables
2. A Times article by Matt Ridley – WIND IS AN IRRELEVANCE TO THE ENERGY AND CLIMATE DEBATE. http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/wind-still-making-zero-energy/
Both touch on the truly staggering amount of land needed to generate electricity for humanity and the sheer scale of the material required for them. Truly mind boggling.
There are too many in government like Dr David MacKay “knowing the futility of renewables but still supporting them!”
I’ve read Matt Ridley’s pieces, and he is one of the too few rational people who understand how stupid generating electricity for base load from wind and solar is in the UK.
FoE ranted about the amount of land required for fracking sites – a colossal ‘ 13 square miles that would industrialise the countryside’ (Guardian report yesterday)
BBC Radio Humberside have ramped up their windturbine promotion today as they are well in with Siemens
Trailers and news item “The Siemens factory is set to expand to build even bigger turbine blades”
M-apa PR are also tweeting
Similar promotional tweets are running on the BBC LookNorth account
\\ BBC Look North (EYL) Apr 18
Humber ‘envy of world’ for offshore wind energy //
etc.
I expect more PR on today’s 3 editions of Look North
Oh you have to login to comment on the Mail now
Top comment shows me everyone in the Swansea Bay PR dept must have been hitting the like button, cos of SUBSIDY $$$
Is there a tipping point for this nonsense? We finally reached ours. The name is President Donald John Trump. There is entertainment to be had in watching the left driven absolutely bat-crazy. It was a short drive, however. They are running out of things to throw against the wall in hopes they stick.
Even California is beginning to rebel against the absolute squirrels running that nut farm.
Requiring the EPA to be transparent in its use of scientific reports to validate regulations is a brilliant stroke. You can almost hear the leftie warmists screaming from over here. Who but those opposed to real science could object to the publishing of data, methods, programs etc so that repeatability can be checked. No wonder they hate Scott Pruitt.
“the absolute squirrels running that nut farm.”
priceless Joan 🙂
Dung
A few weeks ago I flew back to Newcastle from Malaga, Spain a flight I have been on dozens of times.. Depending on the wind direction, which is usually Westerly, the plane turns east over Whitley Bay, does a U-turn over the North Sea and makes a westerly approach. On this particular flight I had a window seat and saw clearly three wind turbines in the North Sea, one turbine was not turning, the other two were turning at about 2RPM. The wind was so strong that smoke from a nearby chimney was being blown horizontally. In other words, no electricity was being generated by any of them. Two were being braked by electric power from the grid to prevent their bearings from overheating. The one that was static will never generate electricity, without new bearings because the existing ones will have been deformed by the weight of the blades. these things only work when the wind blows between 30 and 50mph.
Just put this on facebook asking readers to guess the price they will have to pay on their Direct Debits based on the Hornsea strike price of 15.63 pence per KwHr.
I note that the company involved here is “Heron Wind Ltd.” I see a Heron tall upon the bank ready to strike those poor little consumer minnows swimming below.🤔🤔
Quoting the late Prof. Werner Suomi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verner_E._Suomi),
“If what you are doing is wrong, doing it more efficiently makes things worse.”
“Yet the propaganda often finds a ready audience”
Mainly because, the audience across the whole media machine never ever hears a contrarian viewpoint, ie anti ruinables spokesperson and guaranteed is that, pretty soon, after the PTB have neutered – they probably call it ‘disinfecting’ the blogs – there will be NO, I repeat NO, dissenting voices being heard.
On ruinables, whatever is the cost, whatever is the length of the imminent blackouts, TPTB have ordained it and thus all conversation is at an end.
What little freedom we have left is being at this moment ‘disappeared’ by the authorities sure, they’ll be OK in the USA for the time being but here in the EU-UK we are going to be silenced.
All chatter wiil be gone to the ‘dark side’, and thus, even less chance of the ordinary public viewing it.
We have to be thankful that these monsters will have a very short lifetime before either their performance falls off, or they fall apart or they fall over. We only!!! pay subsidies for the electricity produced. Leave them in situ to rot and rust away as an example of political/green stupidity.
It’s such a waste Phillip, it’s criminal, really criminal – whirlygigs implanted in the sea – indeed all of it (the green agenda).
we live in times of universal deceits. (with apologies to novelist and essayist Mr. G. Orwell).
I see a time coming when telling the truth will be made, a criminal act and then the criminals will laugh and laugh and laugh and because they won, won it all.
Not if Qanon + that nice Mr Trump get their way 😉
Philip
I believe some wind farms are paid subsidies when they are not producing electricity. Necessary to make them seem profitable.
Keeps happening:
http://notrickszone.com/2018/04/27/massive-damage-large-scale-engineering-debacle-threatens-as-north-sea-wind-turbine-breaks-apart/#sthash.2UEA08CP.dpbs
when I hear that Amber Rudd says she didn’t know there were targets for deporting illegals I can see that Claire Perry will be next to say that she didn’t know that windmills didn’t work!
What’s wrong with having targets? Without them what’s to stop civil servants responsible for enforcing immigration laws from sitting around playing candy crush all day?
When I worked in manufacturing targets and performance related pay were the norm. If your job is deporting illegal immigrants then a quarterly/annual number target would be one simple measure. If you are being measured in a number target then going for the easiest first would be the normal way of making the target and getting your pay rise/bonus.
No surprise that the Home Office worked in exactly that way. Ms Rudd can’t have ever worked in a proper job judging by her performance (not targeted) when being questioned by the committee.
Churchill – “winner” of the “Charlemagne Prize” 1954 (for furthering the “Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan!)
Roosevelt – “Morganthau plan” (look it up, disgusting!)
Stalin – Holodomor, 12m Ukrainians starved! (Jesus! You people support some despicable characters!)
Don’t forget the solar industry. Unprofitable in the market place it has to go after local government to shift its panels. Have a laugh. https://t.co/GYLJRp2vgT
@Bill
ah yes … 4 mentions of subsidy-free shows that they’re aware of the issue but don’t give a fig about lying and spending your taxes with their chums.
The graphic is fun.
We know that wind turbines have been swatting millions of birds and bats every year.
I wonder when the first A380 will be likewise swatted?
On a relevant topic, I’ve been having a ding-dong with the ASA over the OVO ad that offers customers “100% Reneable Energy”. I claimed this was misleading but the ASA said, not so, on the rather spurious grounds tgat customer would know that they couldn’t get 100% renewable through a grid supplied by all generators.
I complained again and this is a sample of the rubbish they robbed me off with. I leave to you to decide just how biased the ASA is being:
I have now sent this reply to the ASA:
What happens to those in their “green” houses (no pun intended) without fireplaces and relying for their energy on these gargantuan turbines when a heavy snow blankets their solar panel “farms”?
Can’t even use gas, nor burn dead wood or wood pellets?
“So I lit a fire, isn’t it good Norwegian wood”….. John Lennon!
Especially bad, as Jack pointed out earlier, when these sources of energy (giant or “farms”) fail…for whatever reason…mechanical, “out of warranty”, rust… or terrorism.
As I write this it seems certain that Amber Rudd will resign, and that means that Claire Perry will move one step closer to No 10, leaving a vacancy in the Business and Energy Dept.
Who would we prefer to see in this role? Is there a climate change sceptic that could possibly be recommended? Not that May would take any notice of rational suggestions, but still.
Mike, are you suggesting that Perry is a good candidate for Home Sec? Inasmuch as she displays equal ability to be led by her officials in everything, as does Rudd, I guess she would fit. But it’s not sceptic ministers we need, it’s sceptic advisors – and Greenpeace has them all sewn up.