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Who Do You Think You Are Kidding, Mrs Perry?

May 31, 2018

By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Robin Guenier

 

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 https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news-analysis/3031681/net-zero-government-hints-at-2050-target-date-for-ccc-review

 

Our potty politicians now want us to go beyond the 80% cut in emissions by 2050, enshrined in the Climate Change Act, and aim for a zero target.

Perhaps they need reminding about what happens when the wind does not blow!

 

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http://gridwatch.co.uk/ 

 

Thanks to gas, coal, biomass, nuclear and the French, the lights have not gone out yet.

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34 Comments
  1. May 31, 2018 11:35 am

    it’s not just up there. .
    https://zerocarbonact.nz/

  2. May 31, 2018 11:55 am

    So the Minister wants to understand how we will get to a zero carbon economy by 2050. Well when she does understand it, I hope she will inform us all and especially all the scientists and engineers who will have to put it into practice.

    However, I doubt that she currently understands anything about it and I doubt that she ever will.

  3. Joe Public permalink
    May 31, 2018 12:16 pm

    Slightly off topic:

    There’s (the traditional) http://gridwatch.org.uk

    http://gridwatch.co.uk is by Mark Stolworthy.

    The latter states “Wind : Wind Power – ….There are currently over 6500 wind turbines in wind farms.”

    RenewableUK informs there are 7,065 Onshore Turbines plus 1,832 Offshore Turbines, rated at a total of 19.216GW

    https://www.renewableuk.com/general/custom.asp?page=UKWEDhome

    • May 31, 2018 12:41 pm

      Mark’s figures are derived from the official BMRS data, which excludes embedded wind power (estimated as adding another 30% to BMRS)

  4. Gerry, England permalink
    May 31, 2018 12:39 pm

    Being ignorant and stupid is how you get on as an MP so Pixie Perry is doing her bit to advance her career. Perhaps she has her sights on 10 Downing Street.

    • HotScot permalink
      May 31, 2018 1:00 pm

      No qualifications required to become a politician. Open to all, even me.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        June 1, 2018 12:48 pm

        You will fail the intelligence test….by possessing some.

  5. HotScot permalink
    May 31, 2018 12:59 pm

    You’de imagine they would get a clue from America.

    The US didn’t exit the Paris agreement just because Trump alone thinks AGW is a scam, he was persuaded by a lot of clever people before he took that massive step.

    The worlds most robust economy for over 100 years puts the brakes on, yet the UK accelerates. You would imagine our government officials might take a slightly more cautious approach by waiting to see what happens in the US, and with climate change, temperatures and CO2 emissions in general before pinning their flag to the mast.

    I’m usually one for making a decision, it’s usually better than prevaricating and not making one at all, but in this case, I suspect it would be wise to keep a weather eye on a real decision maker.

    • John F. Hultquist permalink
      May 31, 2018 5:39 pm

      “Not to decide, is still a decision.” -or something like that-
      by Henry James, I think

  6. Douglas Brodie permalink
    May 31, 2018 1:06 pm

    I recently drew the attention of Claire Perry and other politicians (primarily Ruth Davidson as she just happened to offer a great pretext) to my online post on the theme that the fairy-tale of the Emperor’s new clothes was the perfect analogy to the establishment’s blinkered, reality-denying approach to “climate change”. I challenged these politicians to respond on four particularly glaring problems in their climate and energy policies, namely:

    1. The fact that the renewables technologies chosen to supposedly “tackle climate change” are hopelessly ineffectual.

    2. The fact that these ineffectual renewables are ruinously expensive.

    3. The fact that the Paris Climate Agreement is hopelessly ineffectual and unworkable.

    4. The fact that the UN IPCC’s climate science is seriously flawed.

    A BEIS minion sent me a reply on behalf of Ms Perry with arguments lifted straight out of the Skeptical Science denier-bashing playbook. Needless to say it was a classic fobbing-off and a total denial of reality.

    For details of my exchange see https://edmhdotme.wordpress.com/the-climate-change-emperors-new-clothes-part-2/

  7. May 31, 2018 1:41 pm

    This problem is about getting rid of the Global Warming-Climate Change-Decarbonisation dna that the media in all its forms keeps feeding. “And how it is getting worse due to global warming” has become like a full stop at the end of the sentence; has to be there, doesn’t mean anything other than subject is closed. So the task is not to turn politicians, as Maggie famously said ‘the lady’s not for turning’. Somehow or other we need to turn the scientists who are de facto guarantors of what the politicians are saying. The technical content of Ian Plimer’s talk to the House of Lords was well received, but he was told that politicians of all hues dare not be seen to support scepticism as they would be slaughtered by their constituencies who have swallowed the story whole and just ‘know’ it is “all our fault” and needs to stop “before we destroy the planet”. The forthcoming debate between Patrick Moore and Judith Curry on one side and Michael Mann and A N Other, is the way to go, challenge the consensus whenever and wherever. Challenge the press, twitter, everything. Politicians will then follow?

  8. May 31, 2018 1:59 pm

    Paul, Is there another planet called Earth that these people like Perry live on? Less than half an hour on your site is all they need to consume reality and stop this virtue signalling nonsense.

    • May 31, 2018 3:39 pm

      The best thing we could do is to send people like Perry on the B Ark and hope they find that planet.

  9. May 31, 2018 2:09 pm

    Politicians should be obliged to go on a renewable energy camping trip in winter, no gas for heating and cooking, and no felling of trees for wood, which is … unsustainable … for a densely populated country.

    They will take great delight in being able to recharge their mobile phones, and in having LED lighting at night, but the absence of heating and cooking would pierce the green smokescreen.

  10. May 31, 2018 4:08 pm

    Meanwhile in the real world, SSE just announced 840MW of proper gas power to add to existing 735MW build in 1996 at Keadby1.
    \\ On 25 May 2018, SSE announced its decision to proceed with the construction of a new 840MW Combined Cycle Gas Turbine (CCGT) power station at Keadby 2.
    SSE has partnered with Siemens to introduce first-of-a-kind, *high efficiency* gas-fired generation technology to the UK. Keadby 2 was first granted planning consent in 1993 //
    * what are current plants LOW efficiency ?
    Paper quotes cost price of £350m ..there’s no land to buy, but that’s way cheaper than £1bn cost of on hold Trafford site.

  11. Bitter@twisted permalink
    May 31, 2018 4:10 pm

    Those 4 meters tell you all you need to know about the crass stupidity of relying on wind “power”.
    Regrettably the cretins we repeatedly vote in appear unable to recognise crass stupidity.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      May 31, 2018 7:03 pm

      B&T: Unfortunately, we don’t vote for the green blob civil servants/Spads who control their Ministers.
      People like Perry have the arrogance to think they know what the problem is, and the double arrogance to think they know what the solution is.

  12. May 31, 2018 5:00 pm

    Wind, glorious wind, there’s nothing quite like it…oh…

    • John F. Hultquist permalink
      May 31, 2018 5:42 pm

      Please stop burning wood from North America. Thanks.

      • May 31, 2018 6:14 pm

        You’d better ask the nice Mrs Perry. The rest of us want the UK to burn coal, not wood, in the uk’s biggest coal-fired power station.

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        May 31, 2018 7:08 pm

        Phillip, Perry would not get the unbelievable irony that burning coal is really just burning very old wood.

  13. Allan M permalink
    May 31, 2018 7:38 pm

    Maybe their plan is for zero carbon humans. If they were humans, we could start with zero carbon politicians!

  14. May 31, 2018 9:33 pm

    Politicians must kiss babies
    .. Politicians must kiss Green-Ass
    Is that how it works ?

  15. Robin Guenier permalink
    June 1, 2018 8:09 am

    At 7:00 this morning (i.e. during the rush hour) wind and solar were contributing virtually nothing to the UK Grid: http://gridwatch.co.uk.

  16. Athelstan permalink
    June 1, 2018 8:25 am

    You can’t stop people talking to the trees if that’s what they want to do, you can’t stop people believing that the world is going to be destroyed next Thursday week, if that’s what they believe.

    Where I do have a problem, is, when people decide to force the nation, to drag the country with them and down into hell because some fool told them the world is warming up due to some wrong headed supposition about man made caused emissions of a rather beneficial actually existentially so useful trace gas,and enforced ‘green palliatives’ facilitating and knock on effect – industrial suicide done on the whim of the political elite: now that’s a problem for everyone.

  17. christopher booker permalink
    June 1, 2018 10:34 am

    At 11.30 rhis mornng, Friday, wind was contributing just 0,3 percent to our electricity supply, with 53 percent coming from gas. One of the many crucial points the likes of Ms Perry never take on board is that the more wind capacity we build, the more gas capacity we need to provide instantly available back-up for when the wind isn’t blowing. Yet before long they imagine they can phase out gas atogether unless it is “clean”, i.e using carbon capture and storage which is never going to work . The one qualification for being an energy minister is that you mustn’t know anything about how electricity is made

    • Athelstan permalink
      June 1, 2018 12:45 pm

      “The one qualification for being an energy minister is that you mustn’t know anything about how electricity is made”

      it is rather hard to credit but nevertheless, though observance and evidence to date, it is difficult, actually impossible to argue to the contrary.

      • Athelstan permalink
        June 1, 2018 12:46 pm

        observation too.

      • June 2, 2018 7:44 pm

        Unfortunately they don’t have anyone else and the civil service is full of the clueless too.

  18. Gerry, England permalink
    June 1, 2018 12:54 pm

    I see Pixie Perry is stamping her little foot in anger over SSE raises its prices to follow the other members of the Big 6 who are subject to global warming taxes. I think our site host gave a good breakdown on a previous increase which indicates that it is the government costs that are responsible although SSE mentioned wholesale prices having increased. That may just be for gas due to the cold winter that we have had in contradiction to the warmest years the planet has known evah! Meanwhile it looks like the third southern hemisphere in a row is bringing on the cooling.

  19. Robin Guenier permalink
    June 1, 2018 12:59 pm

    Steady on everybody, you’re all missing the real issue. According to Mary Creagh MP – the chair of the Environmental Audit Committee no less – the UK isn’t doing enough: ““My concern is we are going from being a leader to being a laggard and that is a dangerous thing for us to be” she says: https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/environment/house/95605/mary-creagh-we-are-going-being-world-leader-climate-change-being. And what’s more, there’s an even more dangerous climate threat looming: “The harm that will be done by Brexit over the next 40 years is much more worrying than the harm that Donald Trump can do over the next eight“.

    Get that, Mrs Perry? Worse even than the evil Trump. That should get you to wake up.

    • Athelstan permalink
      June 1, 2018 4:12 pm

      Chicken little like doom mongering, alarmunism and cognitive derangement, it’s not just exclusive to the tory party, is it?

  20. June 2, 2018 7:54 pm

    I note Ms Perry has a degree in Geography so should know better but has been brain washed in the political process. Climate sceptism in that academic/professional field is rife, I’m close to a few. The sad thing is I have to protect their identity as they are liable to activist attacks at their workplace offices.

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