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HOT AIR: US and China SNUB climate change talks despite being BIGGEST coal producers

December 3, 2018
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By Paul Homewood

h/t Patsy Lacey

 

From the Express:

 

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A MASSIVE United Nations climate change conference has been rendered pointless after being snubbed by China and America – the world’s biggest coal producers.

Representatives from nearly 200 countries met in Katowice, Poland, on Sunday, marking the beginning of two weeks of talks to save the 2015 Paris deal on climate change. But the US is not attending the COP24 conference after Donald Trump pulled America out of the UN agreement in a major blow to the deal. And China is not expected to send its top politicians to the talks but merely a couple of low-level delegates.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1053684/us-china-news-climate-change-COP24-poland-katowice-paris-deal-2015 

 

Katowice was never likely to achieve much, though no doubt some meaningless declaration will be issued at the end, purporting to show everybody is moving forward together.

The real objective is to persuade rich countries to cough up $100 bn a year.

The fact that China has downgraded its delegation is a sure sign that they will make no concessions at all.

49 Comments
  1. George Lawson permalink
    December 3, 2018 6:05 pm

    The delegates will not be too disappointed. They will have had a wonderful few days in the best hotels and restaurants at the expense of governments and charities, and they would have met up with all their buddies in other delegations. And they will all be looking forward to the next conference wherever that will be. They will all vote on that before the conference closes.

    • December 3, 2018 8:10 pm

      This is only COP24. By COP50 they will have killed the fragile planet with all that long distance commuting and partying.

      • Bill permalink
        December 3, 2018 10:02 pm

        Some jolly.

        31K people, including
        🔸14K delegates
        🔸7K NGOs
        🔸1.7K journalists

        And many are whining on twitter about the promotion of coal by the conference sponsors. Pillocks.

      • Dave Ward permalink
        December 4, 2018 10:27 am

        “By COP50 they will have killed the fragile planet with all that long distance commuting and partying”

        More likely by spraying sulphur particles in the upper atmosphere to try and solve non-existent warming…

      • Gerry, England permalink
        December 4, 2018 1:36 pm

        I think Poland missed a trick – they should have held it as a renewable energy only conference. So no fossil fueled power and certainly no fossil fueled heating.

    • Adam permalink
      December 3, 2018 10:18 pm

      Well the best hotels in Katowice aren’t that great and the choice of restaurants is limited but the local economy is getting a boost with hotels charging 10 times the usual amount.. Still I’m sure we can afford it.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      December 4, 2018 1:34 pm

      Looks like it won’t be in Brasil as their new sensible president thinks it would be a waste of money.

    • Derek Buxton permalink
      December 5, 2018 10:46 am

      I thought they decided the next Conference as the first order of business. Get your votes in first!

  2. December 3, 2018 6:06 pm

    The BBC continues its relentless propaganda campaign, with Sky tagging along behind, both leading with the thoughts of David Attenborough, which raises the question of who wrote his speech. Could it be the same BBC activists who write the scripts for his nature programmes, all laced with doom-laden climatology?

    • keith permalink
      December 3, 2018 7:00 pm

      Sorry, his comments makes me think he’s gone senile.

      • Derek Buxton permalink
        December 4, 2018 9:56 am

        He has been that way for ages, past time to put him out to grass. And let him eat it, no meat for him!

    • JimW permalink
      December 3, 2018 7:04 pm

      He is a TV presenter just giving his audience what they want to hear.
      And to think boaty mcboat face was robbed for him!

    • mikewaite permalink
      December 3, 2018 7:28 pm

      I was surprised to find that the BBC 6 pm news story , although top billing , was muted and short and actually mentioned that the Attenborough speech was received with little more than a smattering of polite applause.
      Perhaps they have realised that this rich bloated purveyor of false – science hysteria, who has lived most of his life on public money, is actually turning people away from a sober consideration of human vs natural climate change.
      More relevant was the later item about people who are in work, but earning so little they cannot heat rooms adequately and rely on food banks and cast off food for sustenance. How will they cope with the additional taxes on power and food that the charlatan Attenborough wants ? He can buy anything, at any price, they cannot.
      Far fairer would be a rationing system so that Attenborough and Prince Charles receive no more electrical power, or meat, etc than the young man currently sleeping or trying to in the rain in the doorway of an abandoned shop in our shopping precinct.

      • Derek Buxton permalink
        December 4, 2018 9:57 am

        Hear Hear.

      • Dave Ward permalink
        December 4, 2018 10:47 am

        “Population Matters”, of which Attenborough is a patron, campaigns for a lower global population, and also repeatedly goes on about Climate Change on their website. But I noticed the following:

        “At the most basic level, everyone needs food and water”

        I wonder what he has to say about the situation of the farmers in Chile, who are finding their water sources are disappearing, thanks to Lithium mining – the subject of Paul’s post yesterday? It is needed to make batteries for “Pollution Free” electric cars, which are (supposedly) essential to save the planet from climate change! The law of unintended consequences strikes again…

        https://populationmatters.org/mythbusting

    • mothcatcher permalink
      December 3, 2018 9:17 pm

      I’ve been an admirer of Attenborough over the years. The programmes he fronts are quite simply the best there have ever been, and I was under the strong impression that he himself wrote, or at least had a strong input, into the narrative in most cases. He seemed to understand a good deal about his subject material and what he said was consistent enough to be of personal origin. He was much more than a presenter.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if he wrote his piece for the COP24. But he’s an old man now, and I’m pretty sure he has never seriously critiqued the message he now espouses. It is, quite simply, wrong.

      Shame, really

      • mikewaite permalink
        December 3, 2018 11:01 pm

        You are right of course. His programmes in the past have given entertainment and enlightenment on the natural world far more than many other presenters but in recent years he has become so embedded in CAGW scares that he seems a different person .
        I was angry that in 2018 we have working people who have to scavenge food and ration their heating ( a condition from which 50000 people in the UK died last year) and Attenborough can call for action(which we all know means punitive taxes) which will not inconvenience him in the slightest.
        I had also been continuing researching in the open access lit and finding papers that contradict the global warming wild fire hysteria, the frequency of storms (not changed) and the multiproxy reconstructions of past temperatures that demonstrate MCA (medieval climate anomaly) and Roman warming periods to be at least as warm as present and in the latter case much warmer. If I can do that surely he could do the same , especially with the assistance of young researchers from the BBC. But he does not seem to – a person dedicated to scientific truth and broadcasting to millions would surely be wanting to know that what he says is genuine.

      • George Lawson permalink
        December 4, 2018 11:06 am

        Attenborough would have come away from the conference with far more credibility if he had mentioned how his and the GW communities policies are leading to the deaths of so many people who are living on food handouts simply because they have to spend their little money on trying to keep themselves and their children warm in severe weather conditions. “Stop using coal and oil ” he shouts, regardless that his attitude killed 50,000 poor people in the UK last year “Build more wind generators” Ignoring the fact that they kill thousands of his beloved birds in the process, and leading to even higher electricity charges, in turn creating even more deaths at the bottom of the human chain. “Stop diesel and petrol cars” and kill the industry that gives so much employment worldwide, and go electric, even though they have been told many times that such a policy is unsustainable etc. etc. Why should a man spout about how to save the worlds animal life and totally ignore the fact that the policy he and his stupid GW associates advocate will kill so many of his fellow men to achieve his objectives. Do these people not recognise that coal and oil are the very lifeblood of our current existence on this planet? why do they advocate such terrible policies which are so very harmful to the human race? Thank god for America and China who refuse to follow such suicidal policies, and put their people first. Let’s hope that many more countries will follow their very sensible example and stop the hell-bent rush to eliminate coal and oil which are the only means of bringing back sanity to our international thinking on electricity production and thus start to help those poor people whose very lives depend upon it.

  3. Spencerlee permalink
    December 3, 2018 6:23 pm

    I wonder how they decided that Sir David would be the people’s representative. He doesn’t represent my views and I don’t remember being asked who should.

    • John189 permalink
      December 3, 2018 11:00 pm

      Exactly! I think I heard Sir David say something to the effect that he was speaking on behalf of the people of the world. Delusional poppycock.

  4. MrGrimNasty permalink
    December 3, 2018 7:26 pm

    Is David a qualified climate scientist – no – therefore not entitled to comment on the matter according to the BBC’s usual stance.

    • Graeme No.3 permalink
      December 3, 2018 8:54 pm

      It’s not about them being qualified, rather that they make a comment approved by the BBC.
      A large number of climate scientists turn out not to be qualified in that field. The louder and more extreme the comments, the less likely they are to be qualified but the more suitable for the BBC.

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        December 4, 2018 1:53 pm

        Yep. I’ve lost count of the times there is some tame BBC interviewer (unqualified climate scientist) feeding questions to some climate spokesperson/activist/journalist/celeb (unqualified climate scientist) discussing climate science and telling us why someone else who has said something contrary should be dismissed because they aren’t….you know……

    • John F. Hultquist permalink
      December 3, 2018 9:01 pm

      Are any of those at this Party “qualified climate scientists”?

      To the nearest whole number, likely Zero.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        December 4, 2018 1:40 pm

        And if they are – to be fair they might just be there for the freebies and not the political crap – then they are unlikely to pre-eminent in their field.

      • waterside4 permalink
        December 4, 2018 5:06 pm

        what exactly is a “climate scientist”?
        Many moons ago when I was a Sparks in the merchant Navy one of my tasks on Obs ships was to help prepare extrapolate and transmit to the Uk Met office weather observations every 4 hours.
        Does that make me a climate scientist?
        if so where do I apply for my grant?
        PS we did NOT use a bucket in which to record the sea temp.

  5. MrGrimNasty permalink
    December 3, 2018 7:29 pm

    China doesn’t need to make concessions, as the BBC mendaciously points out – they are fully meeting their Paris commitments, we are failing! We’ve well and truly entered an alternative reality.

  6. Vanessa permalink
    December 3, 2018 7:46 pm

    And Britain will promise to save the world !!! Our stupid politicians are guaranteed not to have a brain. What do we do about them ?

  7. bobn permalink
    December 3, 2018 7:52 pm

    Hot off the press; some positive news.

    U.S. to end subsidies for electric cars, renewables: White House https://reut.rs/2RtDoYc

    • John F. Hultquist permalink
      December 3, 2018 9:04 pm

      The statement if of future intent.
      If Hillary or a substitute is elected, that won’t happen.

  8. bobn permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:01 pm

    On a different but important subject for Brits. The Govt legal advice that Mother Theresa has been refusing to publish has just been leaked. It confirms in para 1 that every EU country will have a future veto and power to blackmail UK. Ditch May and her deal and fly free from EU tyranny.
    http://2mbg6fgb1kl380gtk22pbxgw-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Withdrawal-Agreement-Legal-and-Governance-Aspects.pdf

    • December 3, 2018 8:08 pm

      No, this is not the Attorney General’s legal advice but is from the HoC EU Legislation Team. This was released a couple of days ago.

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      December 3, 2018 8:21 pm

      It’s a device to keep us in the EU. Twice May has failed to answer in front of the Liaison committee who would impose a hard border. Even the second time after having weeks to think about it, she was silent. The UK would not impose it, Ireland wouldn’t, it’s doubtful the EU could force it. It’s a non-existent problem. They already have random and intelligence lead customs checks at the border or close by – there’s a program on one of the minor freeview channels that follows the officers. We will be held in limbo for one EU term, then exasperated/punished into making the right decision. May is a disgrace.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        December 4, 2018 1:46 pm

        Sorry mate, but on the Irish border you are ignorant. First and foremost, the problem is not customs checks – it is BORDER controls to verify that products entering the Common Regulatory Area are compliant with the regulations. Ireland will have no choice but to enforce border controls or goods going from Ireland to elsewhere in the CRA will be subjected to border controls. Under the terms of the WTO, the EU would have to treat the UK the same as all other ‘third countries’ and impose border controls. It can’t allow a backdoor for non-compliant goods as once in the area there are no further checks. Very sad that we are this close to leaving and the simple basics are not understood.

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        December 4, 2018 1:57 pm

        Well I disagree, and so do a lot of very knowledgeable and highly qualified legal opinions. So leave it there eh!

  9. Jackington permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:13 pm

    It is so sad to see Sir David who I have admired all my life for his entertaining TV programmes now prostituting himself at the alter of Global Warming/ Climate Change. After all he is in the entertainment industry and not a climate scientist yet he has the arrogance to put himself forward as the peoples representative!! But the only people he represents are those already in the same group think. Who is representing me? with a contrary view.

  10. Bill Scott permalink
    December 3, 2018 8:16 pm

    Who elected Attenborough to represent the people? I guess someone will have to follow the money for his per-diems and expenses at “first class” rates. I suspect Beeb may be funding through an off-book account. Without the USA and China attending the conferences is just a meeting of the Green Blob Mutual Admiration Society and hangers on from some countries looking for hand-outs. With the loss of Obama’s US funding, it will be interesting to see who is gullible enough to make up the shortfall. The money is for the elites of these threatened countries to secretly fund there life styles and a nice villa to retreat to if the world ever gets warmer. reading Paul’s earlier blog it looks like oil, coal and natural gas remain king for the foreseeable future. The bio-mass scam still figures.

  11. David Wojick permalink
    December 3, 2018 9:01 pm

    The U.S. Is still in and will be until Nov 2020. The U.S. Delegation is actively attending Katowice.

  12. David Wojick permalink
    December 3, 2018 9:17 pm

    Here is the U.S. Delegation:
    https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2018/11/287679.htm

    The Express is nuts.

    • mothcatcher permalink
      December 3, 2018 10:16 pm

      Looks like a token delegation, David, just to keep an eye on things, as it clearly states in your link, I don’t often defend the Express but, yes, it’s a snub

      • David Wojick permalink
        December 4, 2018 4:47 pm

        The US delegation has always been about half the size as under Obama, but it is quite active. In fact other developed countries have been accused of hiding behind it.

    • Hugh Sharman permalink
      December 4, 2018 6:45 am

      Just to be clear, here is the statement in full of the US Delegation in the foregoing link, kindly provided by David Wojick
      quote
      The 24th Session of the Conference of the Parties (COP24) to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) will take place in Katowice, Poland, December 2-14, 2018. Judith Garber, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary in the Bureau of Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs (OES) at the Department of State, will serve as the U.S. head of delegation. U.S. Ambassador to Poland Georgette Mosbacher will represent the United States at the World Leaders Summit on December 3. The U.S. delegation will also include officials from the White House, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Energy, the Department of Treasury, the Department of Agriculture, and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).

      The Administration’s position on the Paris Agreement remains unchanged. The United States intends to withdraw from the Paris Agreement as soon as it is eligible to do so. The United States is participating in ongoing negotiations, including those related to the Paris Agreement, in order to ensure a level playing field that benefits and protects U.S. interests.

      During the Conference, the U.S. delegation will share successful strategies in growing the economy while providing affordable, abundant, and secure energy to Americans, promoting jobs, protecting the environment, and reducing emissions. U.S. energy-related CO2 emissions have fallen by 14 percent since 2005, even as the U.S. economy has grown by 19.4 percent. This world-leading achievement has been possible because of innovation and entrepreneurship that has led to the development and commercialization of innovative technologies across the entire U.S. energy portfolio.
      unquote
      Not exactly the usual bleeding heart guff one expects from a COP

      • dave permalink
        December 4, 2018 9:32 am

        Led by a “Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary…”

        I imagine that ranks somewhere below a lavatory brush.

      • David Wojick permalink
        December 4, 2018 6:00 pm

        No, Dave, that is actually pretty high up as these things go. A PDAS should be among the top 30 or so people at State, out of many thousands. DAS is the second tier under the Secretary.

        We do not want something passed that a Democrat President can use against America. Speaking of which, it may not be a coincidence that the day we leave the Paris Accord is the day after the next Presidential election. If a Democrat wins we may not leave at all. I think Sate engineered this gimmick because they wanted us to stay in at the time and still probably do.

  13. markl permalink
    December 4, 2018 3:50 am

    And China being the primary adder to the so called “CO2 pollution”. Why more people don’t see through this whole scam is beyond me. For every CO2 molecule that is “saved” by any country China and others are adding one plus more to negate it yet no one seems to care. Even the “Green” countries like Germany are adding rather than reducing CO2 yet no one, no MSM, no politician, are calling them out on their hypocrisy.

  14. Stonyground permalink
    December 4, 2018 7:45 am

    It doesn’t actually matter how much CO2 this or that country is adding to the atmosphere if the whole problem is just made up. What we are dealing with are charlatans, snake oil salesmen with their imaginary threat and their imaginary cure for it.

  15. Max Sawyer permalink
    December 4, 2018 11:10 am

    How did most of those attending the talks travel there (and back)? Including St.David of Attenborough.

  16. Jules permalink
    December 4, 2018 12:46 pm

    Obviously these people are not taking the BBC’s advice on how to reduce carbon emissions.

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