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It’s The Oceans, Stupid!

February 16, 2019
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By Paul Homewood

 

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https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/index.html

 

Climate experts tell us that the oceans are warning rapidly, as a result of GHGs.

Perhaps they might explain how their little theory accounts for the large areas of ocean which show long term cooling.

If there is one thing we know about oceans, it is that they store such enormous amounts of energy that their temperatures cannot change at the flick of a switch.

Whatever forces are going on in the oceans, they are dwarfing any microscopic effects from atmospheric warming.

25 Comments
  1. February 16, 2019 10:19 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate Collections.

  2. RAH permalink
    February 16, 2019 11:43 pm

    The sun is the driver and the oceans the great modulator. The major effects from a weak solar cycle 24 and this inactive solar period that is now the deepest since the Dalton minimum will be felt years in the future. And no, I’m not saying we’re in for another LIA. Just that it will get cooler. No one alive today nor their parents or their grandparents experienced a period of such low solar activity and I find it quite ironic it will be the generations indoctrinated in the CAGW meme that will!

  3. Athelstan. permalink
    February 17, 2019 12:42 am

    It would be very stupid to say that, it isn’t the Oceans, the conveyor and of course our lovely star, heating us all up and what a cooling influence, baby, natural aircon and wind and coriolis too, aux naturellement!!

  4. Jeff permalink
    February 17, 2019 4:50 am

    Look at the coral cooking on the Queensland Great barrier reef in summer.
    Well no actually mostly below the long term average.

  5. John F. Hultquist permalink
    February 17, 2019 6:02 am

    Clear sky over tropical and equatorial regions allow solar energy (short wave) to warm the water. To explain a warming ocean, explain clear sky.
    If there is some way for Carbon Dioxide to warm water, it must be a secret.

    • February 17, 2019 7:11 am

      100% correct. The only way the oceans can heat up is if there is less cloud cover. Blowing hot air over cooler water will just result in evaporation.

      • February 17, 2019 5:50 pm

        Yes, and instances where the overlying air is warmer than the ocean are rare. The ocean warms the atmosphere, not the reverse.

        It can be seen from Singh et al (2006) that latent flux to the atmosphere is always strongly positive, and only very small areas show negative sensible flux.

        However, the more the ocean warms the atmosphere, the more evaporation there will be. The more the ocean warms the atmosphere, the less the temperature gradient, and the less the radiative cooling of the ocean.

        How these offsetting factors balance is currently unknown.

      • dave permalink
        February 20, 2019 8:24 am

        COLD air flowing over water will also increase evaporation. The fact is that any flow in the gas over a liquid strongly affects the micro-dynamics of evaporation; and the temperature gradient is only one factor.

        When a molecule leaves a liquid it is moving very slowly and has a good chance of being recaptured. Turbulence in the gas it is entering will whirl it away.

      • John Atkins permalink
        February 20, 2019 10:00 am

        I totally agree with you about cloud and sun exposure but my concern is we are ignoring the heat coming into the oceans from the earths interior. I have read that some scientists consider this heat to be a negligible quantity but without being capable of doing the maths I find this totally unlikely. Some scientists say that antarctic warming is due to subterranean volcanoes and I have seen ‘satellite derived heat maps’ that support that.
        Some scientists say that the heat at the centre of the earth is purely ‘leftover’ from the formation of the planet. Again without being able to do the maths this proposition appears ludicrously wrong. My hunch is that vast quantities of heat are generated minute by minute in the earths interior and then dissipated out through the crust and into the atmosphere and oceans, and from there into space. Again I cannot do the maths but wonder if anyone ever has??

  6. Malcolm Bell permalink
    February 17, 2019 8:12 am

    The only thing we know is that we don’t know. Is it really getting warmer? Is there really climate change? Is it caused by a greehouse effect? Is that because of CO2? Is it caused by change in cloud cover? Why has that changed? Cleaner air reducing condensation? Is it solar activity? If so how? Increased radiation or reduced solar particulates? Is it increased Esrth core activity? If so how/why?

    We absolutely have no idea. So, if we don’t even if it is either broken or how it is broken we certainly should not be trying to fix it.

    However, it is a good idea to conserve fossil fuel before we use it all up in a few hundred years so working on alternatives is time well spent. We don’t have that answer yet either.

    In the meantime let us solve the one problem we do understand – over population. That one is real and clear.

    • John Atkins permalink
      February 17, 2019 11:33 am

      Surely overpopulation is relatively easy to solve. Universal (global) human education and global peace/security. Simples!!!!!

    • Robert Christopher permalink
      February 17, 2019 11:59 am

      conserve – protect (something, especially something of environmental or cultural importance) from harm or destruction.

      I think you mean to be thrifty and not waste it: be frugal even, rather than not use it. The idea that heavy oil should be used for pharmaceuticals, road surfaces etc instead of cracked for fuel is already accepted, so attitudes can change.

      The problem that we have today is that new methods of producing useful energy are difficult to pursue because of alarmists dictating government policy. I am thinking of the poor progress of thorium molten salt reactors, fracking and the waste of resources in building AND CONNECTING unreliable energy sources like windfarms to the National Grid.

      Overpopulation will only be addressed when a solution is seen to better than the alternatives. Having sovereign nations, with borders, will mean that the problem will be addressed on a smaller scale, and earlier! It will also hopefully mean that producing 2.4 children who are well educated, self supporting in adult life and capable of producing children of similar quality will become the acceptable norm rather than exporting the poor.

      • Mike Jackson permalink
        February 17, 2019 12:50 pm

        UN projections are that world population will peak around mid-century and start to decline by 2100 or shortly after.

        We can, of course, prevent this happening by making sure the poor stay poor. All historical evidence is that as affluence increases the birth rate falls. Our environmentalist friends are, of course, too stupid to understand this or possibly too concerned with their own political objectives to realise that their methods are likely to be counter-productive.

        One thing is certain. Neither persuasion nor coercion will affect the birth rate in poor countries. Making them less poor will.

      • A C Osborn permalink
        February 17, 2019 1:53 pm

        I don’t think the world is currently over populated, the Earth can easily support what we have.
        I als0 think you will find that Future Overpopulation has been solved already.
        Take a look at this data & chart.
        https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth
        The key is industrialisation, which raises all areas of human life and drops population increases, it has already almost halved since the 60s.

      • Malcolm Bell permalink
        February 17, 2019 2:04 pm

        Robert, You and I seem to be in close agreement. Thank you.

  7. tom0mason permalink
    February 17, 2019 8:19 am

    The truly mad idea is that atmospheric CO2 can heat the oceans to any significant degree, the heat capacity of the oceans is huge.
    A picture paints a thousand words…

    No matter how much atmospheric CO2 warming is claimed to happen, it’s effect on the oceans is to be lost in the inherent thermal noise of the oceans.

    OK all you cAGW advocates not convinced? Then calculate the total energy needed from hairdryer to heat a cup of water by just 1°C. Now do the experiment — it would take more energy than calculated.

  8. Phoenix44 permalink
    February 17, 2019 8:41 am

    Shouldn’t the sea temps show sea ice at 0 ananomaly? Sea ice is ocean, and so shouldn’t that be zero ananomaly? Unless of course there’s more sea ice than average…

  9. mwhite permalink
    February 17, 2019 8:55 am

    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/ocean/

    No idea which is more relevant

    Sea Surface Temperature Anomalies

    or

    SSTA Difference from Global Mean SSTA

  10. John atkins permalink
    February 17, 2019 8:57 am

    surely its not just the oceans. Most of the earth is at a temperature similar to the surface of the sun. Any and all fluctuations there have to be taken into account in the medium term. And scientists have little handle on what’s going on at great depths in planet earth.

  11. February 17, 2019 11:18 am

    This article predicts ocean cooling from more global clouds when the sun is less active:

    https://www.newclimatemodel.com/is-the-sun-driving-ozone-and-changing-the-climate/

  12. February 17, 2019 1:02 pm

    My 2 cents on ocean heat content

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/10/06/ohc/

    • John Atkins permalink
      February 20, 2019 10:21 am

      Chaamjamal – looks to be a brilliant piece of work. You should work up a one page summary of where we stand in regard to geothermal heat affecting the climate. So that people like me can get to grips with the concept. Too many scientists seem to be ignoring geothermal heat and its affect on ocean temperature and the climate generally. The Incas and Aztec civilisations went extinct thinking that their gods controlled volcanoes. I worry that modern science is making a huge mistake in relation to CO2 and this may yet prove to be as calamitous as the environmental mistakes made by previous cultures.

  13. February 17, 2019 10:43 pm

    If we were to eliminate the plus and minus areas of the ocean, would we not identify the areas that cause the net warming? And then ask why there and not the other areas?

  14. saparonia permalink
    February 19, 2019 10:42 pm

    It isn’t like boiling a kettle. When the cooling starts over the next few years, oceans will cool more quickly because they haven’t even warmed up yet from the last Ice Age!

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