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Back to the Dark Ages Say German Greens

June 18, 2019

Potty greens want us all to starve:

  1. June 18, 2019 9:01 pm

    All the mainstream parties embrace stupid policies like these – which are totally unacceptable top those who are forced to strive just to stay alive. And then they’re gobsmacked when the electorate moves to the right.
    Where else can the electorate go?

  2. June 18, 2019 9:17 pm

    Reblogged this on ajmarciniak.

  3. richardw permalink
    June 18, 2019 9:23 pm

    Whatever the absurdity or scientific fallacy of Green claims, they seem to be winning, They have a narrative which appeals to the social conscience of the population. This seems to happen regardless of – and indeed sometimes because of – attempts to refute their claims with observational eviudence.

    An effective counter-narrative is needed but has not yet emerged. It looks like the old left and right polarisation is disappearing to be replaced by one that may be characterised as collectivism vs individualism, the main story being that we are so ‘bad’ that we cannot be trusted to make decisions for ourselves – never mind the prosperity that has been generated by liberal individualism.

    • Gamecock permalink
      June 18, 2019 9:56 pm

      “An effective counter-narrative is needed but has not yet emerged.”

      Because the narrative is fake. The goal is socialism. Arguing the science gets you no where. Cultural Marxists produce an endless stream of reasons why we should accept socialism. Disprove one, nothing changes. The solution is to show that Cultural Marxism is evil. That doesn’t have anything to do with farming methods.

      • Graeme No.3 permalink
        June 19, 2019 2:16 am

        The problem is that the support for the Greens comes in the inner cities which are more densely populated than country areas, hence their votes influence politicians to bend towards Green ideas.
        Only a sudden collapse in the electricity supply, or food supply is going to bring home to those city dwellers the consequences of being green.

        The surprise result in the recent Australian election was due to Queensland, the only State where the city dwellers are outnumbered by those living in the country. Labor had been moving heavily into Green idea to try and protect their innercity seats, and paid the price with a record low percentage of the vote, and loss of seats. And they lost enough votes elsewhere to leave themselves bewildered.

    • Ariane permalink
      June 19, 2019 8:45 am

      A simple response to these ‘Greens’ is that they have no right to deprive the poor of cheap energy. That should sort it for some lefties, anyway. Also, it could be pointed out that many renewables devastate the natural world.

      • Nial permalink
        June 19, 2019 11:53 am

        “A simple response to these ‘Greens’ is that they have no right to deprive the poor of cheap energy”

        There’s a much higher incidence of winter deaths amongst the old here in the UK, made worse with increasing electricity prices.

        Green policies are directly killing old people (sooner than they would have died, anyway).

  4. John F. Hultquist permalink
    June 18, 2019 11:19 pm

    None of these types can be taken seriously regarding the CO2 – Climate issue until they promote a rapid build of numerous nuclear power facilities.

  5. MJJ, Exeter permalink
    June 18, 2019 11:24 pm

    If the Green, open toed sandal, do gooder, wet behind the ears, bean eating, climate change brigade ever gain credence, it’ll be a disaster of unimaginable proportions.
    The climate change brigade is fast becoming the biggest industry in the World and are spending millions trying to brainwash the rest of us and are targeting young people in particular- it’s time to make sure as many people as possible, including those in positions of power, are encouraged to receive regular emails from ‘ Not a lot of People Know That’ to ensure the totally orchestrated bosh from these dangerous activists is countered by fact rather than fiction. We are being bombarded by the non stop propaganda which is being funded by those people who stand to make fortunes from all this. There has always been a section of people who like to jump on one protest bandwagon or another and Climate Change has become the new ‘Ban the Bomb’ or ‘Ban Fox Hunting’ or ‘Ban this or ban that ‘ for those in our population who insist on protesting about something- they’ve been around for many years and their key ambition has always been to create as much anarchy as possible!
    I believe that the Third World trying to catch up with us is going to strain our carbon footprint, I believe we should do everything possible to alleviate the obvious problems caused by an ever growing carbon footprint, I believe in being Green, I believe we should develop technology to make machines more carbon efficient.I am not a climate change denier. But I also believe there has to be a balanced approach and that we should not allow the serial protesters to destroy the world as we know it- we must challenge their findings and make sure that only scientifically accurate information is used- if many of the claims that are being made are false, then we must ensure that the true facts are given equal prominence.

    • bobn permalink
      June 19, 2019 2:37 pm

      Just to clarify.
      Those who dont accept the man-made global warming religion are ‘climate change realists’. They accept the reality that the climate changes naturally. The Greens & co are ‘climate change deniers’. They do not accept that the climate changes naturally but rather believe it is changed by man.

    • Stonyground permalink
      June 19, 2019 7:12 pm

      If you are not a “Climate Change Denier” then you really haven’t been paying attention. The man made contribution to the plus side of the natural CO2 cycle is negligible. The effect of atmospheric CO2 on the climate is negligible. The climate changes naturally and always will. There are positive and negative effects from these changes, mostly positive at the moment but that could change. The climate change alarmists have been predicting calamity after calamity for thirty years now, not a single one of their dire predictions has actually happened.

  6. Joe Public permalink
    June 18, 2019 11:41 pm

    “Katrin Goering-Eckardt, the party’s leader in the Germany parliament, said her party would establish a fund worth at least €100 billion to finance climate projects including dam construction…..”

    Perhaps Ms Goering-Eckardt didn’t get the message:

  7. Coeur de Lion permalink
    June 19, 2019 7:52 am

    Is there not a chance that all this panic might produce a healthy reaction? ‘What’s all this FOR” “Oh, to reduce CO2” “Is CO2 being reduced? “Er, no” “Why should we harm ourselves when no one else is?” “What exactly are we worried about and what’s the evidence ?” “The IPCC models say……”

  8. June 19, 2019 8:20 am

    Las nights Tory leadership debate. When asked if they would back zero carbon.
    All candidates agreed. Boris was the most vague with Rory Stewart the most eager and Sajid Javid close behind. But they all agreed yes Zero Carbon is the future. Britain is going to be a world leader and reach zero carbon first. As we know Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn is just as eager with a target of 2030 for zero carbon.
    This is the blind trying to run in front of the blind.

    You can take a horse to water but a pencil has to be lead.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      June 19, 2019 8:57 am

      And we have the bizarre spectacle of May and Hammond arguing whether it will cost us an “acceptable” £2,500/household each year of an “unacceptable” £3,000. All the while being told adding a bit of friction to exports will cause utter disaster.

      • A C Osborn permalink
        June 19, 2019 12:01 pm

        Politicians love jumping on the latest fad Bus, even if the Bus is heading towards a cliff.

    • Saighdear permalink
      June 19, 2019 11:58 am

      Hummm,… “You can take a horse to water but a pencil has to be lead.” something not quite right ( Correct) here methinks.. Horse & Pencil? or lead v led v Lead ( Pb the element) Being led can be as toxic as to have lead, but if you Lead asTheresa tried, that can kill too.
      So … is the water poisonous?
      Maybe, just maybe, that Horse knows more than we think about the contents of the Trough!
      thought for he day

      • Stonyground permalink
        June 19, 2019 6:42 pm

        Pencil cores nowadays are made from graphite which in turn is made of carbon.

      • Saighdear permalink
        June 19, 2019 11:00 pm

        Och mannie! I didnae mean THAT kind a lead (graphite). I was just playing on words. So from what you have SAID, do coloured pencils have coloured graphite nowadays? o;-)

    • Carbon500 permalink
      June 20, 2019 1:57 pm

      Yet Jeremy Corbyn’s brother Pier’s is a ‘denier’:
      Perhaps Jeremy wouldn’t want people to be aware of this! I’m sure that the brothers must talk about the supposed dangerous man-made global warming. I somehow think that Jeremy’s just going with the proverbial flow to get votes – it wouldn’t be a surprise, would it? 🙂

      • Chaswarnertoo permalink
        June 20, 2019 6:24 pm

        Piers got the brains. First in astrophysics at IC.
        Jezza got 2 Es at A level.

    • richardw permalink
      June 20, 2019 6:09 pm

      There is not a lot of hope. Boris, who has previously enthusiastically supported the sensible views of people like Matt Ridley (Rational Optimist et al), now has a thoroughly Green partner in place of his wife and is doubtless being thoroughly greenwashed.

      Will politicians never learn that, by acquiescing to the views of a minority, they give them legitimacy, and, as Frau Merkel is finding out, the minority comes back to eat them. Rightly or wrongly, we’ve seen the same with Scottish and Welsh Nationalism; Nationalists are now much more mainstream and vocal than before devolution. Gove, with his stupid apology for fossil fuel use to Greta Thunberg, is an excellent example of such a tendency. He should have explained the benefits to prosperity of cheap energy, and hence the liberty we currently enjoy, rather than apologise.

  9. Coeur de Lion permalink
    June 19, 2019 8:57 am

    Off thread but as I write UK gas 64% wind 3.9%. I’m going to plug in my mythical EV and crash the grid.

  10. Saighdear permalink
    June 19, 2019 11:45 am

    Never mind the daft Germans, anyone else watching the terrific output from our (UK) Renewables, lately? by NOON yesterday zero Solar, little wind & TODAY around Noon Coal is burning to replace ZERO Solar and under 5% Wind. Now that’s someting to blow about

    • June 19, 2019 3:47 pm

      Some “greenies” like to insinuate that solar works even when it is cloudy, but I know from experience of a car battery charging solar panel and an ammeter that it drops like a stone, making a very good impression of a dead parrot.

      Other “greenies” prostrate themselves before wind turbines that rotate in calm weather, blissfully unaware of the power consumption mode that kicks in to avoid damage to the bearings.

      • slingshot permalink
        June 19, 2019 4:41 pm

        I believe that every wind turbine is equipped with a small diesel motor to keep the blades rotating in calm conditions. Does anyone know the truth of this?

      • slingshot permalink
        June 19, 2019 4:45 pm

        I believe that every wind turbine is equipped with a small diesel motor to keep the blades rotating in windless conditions. Does anyone know the truth to this?

      • Adam Gallon permalink
        June 20, 2019 7:01 pm

        No, they just draw electricity from the grid & become a motor, rather than a dynamo.

    • June 19, 2019 4:02 pm

      Looks like the wheels fell off somewhere about noon yesterday for solar reporting. reports just under 4GW at the moment, whereas Gridwatch (which takes a feed from Sheffield) shows zero. Not to defend it in any way you understand, just for the purposes of accuracy and pedantry 🙂

      • It doesn't add up... permalink
        June 19, 2019 11:31 pm

        The Grid view of generation per half hour period can be viewed here:

        It substantiated a peak of just over 4GW for solar on 19th June.

      • Stuart Brown (aka s until I can fix that!) permalink
        June 20, 2019 8:21 am

        Thanks IDAU, I didn’t realise you could see solar on the BM reports. Looks like someone read my comment, because solar reporting is back up! The power of blogs, eh?

        To drag this back to the post though, I’ve been wondering why the flue gasses of coal or gas powered generators are not fed straight into greenhouses. Surely that would be an industrial farming method even the Greens could get behind? I wonder what the acreage per MW is for wind turbines vs a HELE coal powered station surrounded by enough sauerkraut cabbages in greenhouses to absorb all the CO2. Or perhaps just plant a forest and let the CO2 get there all by itself…

      • June 20, 2019 8:27 am

        That explains the highly misleading comment in a recent Telegraph article, no doubt direct from the solar marketing industry, that “solar provides 10% of UK electricity on most days”.

  11. permalink
    June 19, 2019 4:54 pm

    Dear Paul

    Is there some reason why my posts are not being published?  I made two attempts, both unsuccessful.

    Kind regards C Purdy aka slingshot

    • June 19, 2019 5:34 pm

      There’s nothing in spam box

      • Chaswarnertoo permalink
        June 20, 2019 11:23 am

        Wot? No meat? I’ll get me coat….

  12. markl permalink
    June 19, 2019 5:00 pm

    ” Graeme No.3 said on June 19, 2019 2:16 am…..”The problem is that the support for the Greens comes in the inner cities which are more densely populated than country areas” That is the same problem in the US with the Progressive vote coming from only 20% of land mass yet it was VERY close for Trump. That’s why our founders came up with the electoral college (and why the Progressives are trying to repeal it)…. to prevent mob rule. Nonsense like banning mechanized farming and forcing people to eat no meat will put an end to the Greens. I’m waiting for the Green monster that’s been created by the Marxists to turn against them when they figure out they’re being used solely for political gain and not for environmental issues.

  13. MrGrimNasty permalink
    June 19, 2019 6:02 pm

    School kid indoctrination program implemented.

  14. Athelstan. permalink
    June 19, 2019 6:03 pm

    Not by me you do understand, but some alluded to, the Austrian corporal was the first green fanatic, and note that, always start to worry when the teutonics get a bee on their bonnets, better have a watch on the Bierkellers.

  15. mikewaite permalink
    June 19, 2019 8:39 pm

    Our house is midway between 2 grammar schools , a boys’ and a girls’ and each morning the girls parade up the road on one side and the boys saunter down on the other side. The twain destined never to meet it seems, at least in public.
    Now the academic reputation of the 2 schools is very high, the girls’ in particular, and it is rumoured that the pass mark on the written test for the boys’ entrance exam is more than 95% . So these are very bright youngsters. They expect a lot from their future careers, as do their parents and neither are going to sit by and see the country descend into a Dark Age and the lawlessness and poverty that will bring.
    In the more than 30 years we have been here we have seen the mix of children change so that Asian, Moslem and Chinese youngsters make up nearly half the intake in both schools.
    These communities, even more than the indigenous British families I suspect, value and respect achievement and will not accept any politics that involves a return to the poverty and squalor that their parents or grandparents came to this country to escape.
    I see these bright youngsters and the asian community in general as a counter to the nonsense from Westminster and the media , but are there enough of them ?

  16. Pancho Plail permalink
    June 19, 2019 9:29 pm

    We must do all we can to encourage all EU countries to adopt extreme green measures as economic collapse is the only way to break the hold of the politburo.

  17. tom0mason permalink
    June 20, 2019 2:11 am

    Well if the Germans kill their farming sector that makes available plenty more land upon which they can put more of those ‘vital’ windfarms. 🙂

    • June 20, 2019 8:46 am

      Esther’s dog said ssossages, the Germans will be saying Alles Wurst – or maybe no wurst any more! and Bier will be scarce too. Och well, nothing to celebrate anymore…….

    • Saighdear permalink
      June 20, 2019 8:47 am

      Esther’s dog said ssossages, the Germans will be saying Alles Wurst – or maybe no wurst any more! and Bier will be scarce too. Och well, nothing to celebrate anymore…….

  18. June 20, 2019 8:56 am

    A scary story about the extent of “Green” indoctrination in UK primary schools:

  19. June 20, 2019 11:05 am

    I guess at some point all these mad schemes will come home to roost and when there is no electricity and what little there is will be very expensive, and meat becomes expensive due to shortages, will those believers still believe?

    • Saighdear permalink
      June 20, 2019 6:15 pm

      Thing is…. IS the rest of Society going to have to SIT quietly and WAIT for the silly games to play through? then who will be at the head of the Queue for Energy and Food? Realistically?

  20. Chaswarnertoo permalink
    June 20, 2019 11:18 am

    The greens are going to starve the world population back to 1 billion…….

  21. Carbon500 permalink
    June 20, 2019 1:08 pm

    ‘Green’ wackiness regarding farting cows aside, no-one seems to be paying much attention to animal welfare and industrial farming.
    Before going on, I’ll make it clear that I’m not a vegetarian or vegan. In my young years I was raised in a farming community. Additionally, I don’t care what religion anyone follows, or if they’re an agnostic or atheist – and I’m not a ‘greenie’ either.
    What follows is just a small part of what happens to farming livestock, and in my view it’s a poor reflection (to say the least and put it politely) of mankind’s attitude to animals.
    The EU permits the transport of live animals across its borders, and the RSPCA informs us that every year millions of farm animals including calves and sheep are transported all over Europe for further fattening and slaughter. Many suffer from stress, exhaustion, thirst and rough handling.
    As I recall, the EU was responsible for the closing of many small abattoirs serving local communities in the UK. This was because of ever increasing costs necessary to comply with for example building alterations.
    The RSPCA also state that Ramsgate is the main ferry port to facilitate this trade from the UK, yet they lack appropriate facilities or inspections. Animals are often crammed into trucks on roads for hours before being loaded onto an unsuitable ferry originally built as a river tank carrier. Across the EU, animals as young as two weeks old may be forced to endure this gruelling journey. Chickens, cattle, pigs, horses and goats are transported long distances for slaughter, on journeys sometimes lasting days.
    Crucial to animal welfare is humane slaughter. Non-stun slaughter is permitted in the UK on grounds of religion. A website claims that rapid and expert transverse incision with a knife of surgical sharpness severs the major structures and vessels in the neck, causing an instant drop in blood pressure and immediately resulting in unconsciousness. The claim is also made that this renders the animal insensible to pain, dispatches and exsanguinates in a swift action, and fulfils all the requirements of humaneness and compassion.
    Scientific examination of the process has clearly demonstrated that this is not the case. In addition to the carotids, extra arteries run through the vertebrae to supply blood to the brain. These are not cut during slaughter – instead, blood flow increases over four-fold in these arteries and brain activity can persist in a calf for over one and a half minutes after its throat has been cut. It has also been shown that most sheep can take almost half a minute to lose brain responsiveness. A vet I once worked with took the view that the only humane method of slaughter is by electrical or mechanical stunning, followed by immediate bleeding out. A conscious animal may choke on its own blood for half a minute, which is clearly cruel.
    I remember a conversation with a slaughterman who’d been accidentally electrically stunned at the abattoir where he worked. He described how ‘everything turned blue’, and how he’d been revived in a nearby room – the efficacy of proper stunning demonstrated by an unfortunate accident in a human subject.
    Greenhouse gas claims aside, animal welfare issues such as the above could easily be remedied given political willingness – and they are important matters which could be addressed much more immediately than ‘climate change’ – but politicians appear to have little interest in such matters.
    Out of sight, out of mind – nicely packaged little chunks of meat at the supermarket, but no concern as to how it got there.

  22. tom0mason permalink
    June 20, 2019 3:05 pm

    Looking at WEATHER for the coming 10 days, all of Europe should be impressively HOT as a plume of hot air pushes up from Africa.
    As shown here, most weather models are predicting very hot temperatures for a while (till the end of the month). There may also be some impressive local convective effects causing some local hail and thunder storms by the month’s end.
    [There’s one caveat however — NONE of the weather models forecasts (beyond 5 days) have been particularly accurate this year as they struggle to come to terms with effects of a solar minimum and the current oceanic effect.]

    So look out everyone as the cAGW advocates will doubtless grab onto this weather effect to propagandize it as a sign of ‘catastrophic global warming’ (or whatever the latest fashionable phrase is) and not see it as it is — as just some local natural weather variation.

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      June 20, 2019 4:16 pm

      Yes, the forecast changed drastically just after I commented – if it doesn’t change much it’ll be a very cool June – a couple of days ago!

      Yet again they prove their models (of any type – short medium long climate) are useless.

      • tom0mason permalink
        June 21, 2019 1:05 am

        Yes, I saw the earlier forecasts of cooler weather but I was not convinced. These model tend to stick with the flow of the trend that is current and will (IMO) project it to far into the future.
        I also do not completely believe that this huge warming will happen as severely as predicted, probably so in some locations but these models have been poor all years. I put down to solar minimum effects…

        The solar minimum effects on earth are coming into effect —
        The upper atmosphere has shrunk,
        There’s more seismic activity, more volcanic particulates in the atmosphere.
        Noctilucent clouds are running round the skys of the northern latitudes,
        Anytime the sun breath out a few more charged particles from an earth facing solar coronal hole, a few days later (2-5 days) the weather pattern changes, and BANG the forecasts are wrong.
        (IMO They are all trying to predict too far into the future while there is lots of random and chaos causing events happening. But hey, most of these modelers believe that by averaging chaos you’ll find a trend — same belief as climate modelers!)

        On top of that the GFS (Global Forecast System run by United States’ National Weather Service (NWS), and is part of National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)) has just had an upgrade of its model, and this is causing knock-on problems for other weather forecasting system that depend on it.

  23. permalink
    June 20, 2019 8:23 pm

    Dear Paul

    I was most perturbed to find my name, email address and user name printed among the comments on your blog and request that they be removed without delay, please.  If all comments are checked for content, I do wonder how this could have happened.

    I cannot now find out how to change my user-name, which is the only remedial action I can take. Your assistance would be appreciated. Thank you.

    • tom0mason permalink
      June 21, 2019 1:44 am

      I have been caught like this years ago, if memory serves me correctly, this is what I had to do …
      Close all browser tabs using WordPress services.
      Remove/delete WordPress stored cookies (browser/application dependent as to how you do this).
      Clear the cache, and history files of WordPress references — i.e. purge all reference to WordPress from you device (This may not be required but just to be on the safe side 😉 .)
      Close the browser/application.
      Now you MAY have to depower/repower you device, it depends on how it manages memory. (If you have to do this ensure it is properly depowered and not just put to sleep or hibernation. )
      Re-open the browser/application and go to
      ~~~~| |~~~~~~
      from here you can log-in (old log-in name and password), and from there you should be able to view/edit your account details. You should be able to edit your online WordPress identification (name, password, email address, etc.) from there.

      Unsaid but what will happen is that WordPress place new cookies to identify you as the user with the details you have put in.
      Hope you can follow that, and good luck.

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