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Climate change ‘could expose more ancient monuments and ruins’

August 21, 2019
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By Paul Homewood

 

Today’s silly story comes from the BBC (where else?)

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More ancient monuments and historic ruins will be uncovered as extreme weather caused by climate change gets more frequent, an expert has said.

The remains of a shipwreck off the Abergele coast dating back 150 years was revealed by July’s thunderstorms.

A prehistoric forest and 200 archaeological sites were also unearthed following extreme weather.

Archaeologist Dr Paul Belford said "you’ll see more and more of this" as the world warms up.

Experts have "tentatively identified" the recently-uncovered Abergele wreck as the 35-tonne wooden sloop Endeavour that sunk without trace in gales in October 1854.

The remains of the 45ft long vessel was found at Pensarn beach in Conwy county by a member of the public.

"The stormy weather created giant waves which moved the sand banks and exposed the boat," said Dr Belford, chief executive of the Clwyd-Powys Archaeological Trust.

"You’ll see more and more wrecks and ancient monuments uncovered as extreme weather events become more frequent due to the impact of climate change.

"Like the recent shipwreck find, these discoveries can help us answer the questions of our history.

"Hopefully research will also help us learn lessons from the past and aid the fight against climate change."

The north Wales shipwreck lies in the area known as Abergele Roads, a large area of shoals, near a tidal pond, which is only visible after storms and during low tides.

It comes after a forest buried under water and sand for more than 4,500 years was uncovered between Ynyslas and Borth in Ceredigion by Storm Hannah in May.

The remains of the trees, preserved in the local peat, were exposed by low tides and high winds.

Exposed tree stumps of Borth's underwater forest

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-49413435

 

They obviously don’t appreciate the irony of discovering a ship that sank in “extreme weather” in 1854!

And as sea levels are supposedly rising so fast, such wrecks should be unlikely to be found in future.

But what about extreme weather becoming more frequent? The claim comes from an archaeologist, who we can safely assume knows bugger all about the climate.

Proper meteorologists would have told him that the opposite is true. As the world warms, the differential between polar cold and tropical heat should reduce (as the poles warm faster), thus reducing the intensity of storms in the Temperate Zone.

Maybe our archaeologist friend should have read HH Lamb!

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31 Comments
  1. JimW permalink
    August 21, 2019 3:04 pm

    Everyone round there knows about the trees, I remember seeing them when I was a kid in the early sixties. Wot a load of …!
    My goodness is there nothing those magical inert gas molecules can’t do?

  2. Coeur de Lion permalink
    August 21, 2019 3:14 pm

    I’m so looking forward to the next eighty-ton vessel being blown over Chesil beach into Portland harbour. It’s been a long wait – 316 years and all that CO2.

  3. jack broughton permalink
    August 21, 2019 3:27 pm

    It is a pity that the present generation of “Climate pseuds” have obviously not read Lamb’s books and are ignorant of the long history of violent weather and its effects. They seem to believe that computer outputs are better than actual facts: the belief in these outputs by biologists, archeologists etc. is a sad reflection on their limited educational breadth in history and physics / mathematics.

    My daughter is a GP and believes the Lancet drivel could not be unbiased, even despite my best efforts at showing her that we are in a time when all criticism of the AGW meme is suppressed (apart from internet!!!). As Ron Clutz showed recently, people are happy to worry about climate change hypotheses until the cost / benefit valuations are mentioned.

  4. Fintan Ryan permalink
    August 21, 2019 3:41 pm

    Dear Paul,

    What about this from The Irish Times: *Can dogs be vegans? How to cut your pet’s carbon paw-print** **There are myriad ways to reduce the environmental impact of owning a dog or cat!*!

    Fintan Ryan

  5. August 21, 2019 4:08 pm

    This actually dsproves Anthropogenic Global Warming. This forest was dry land 5,000 years ago. So sea levels increased massivley around this time. Human CO2 wasn’t the culprit.

  6. A C Osborn permalink
    August 21, 2019 4:32 pm

    It is like all the things that pop up when Alpine Snow or Glaciers retreat.
    It never strikes them that when CO2 was so low that those things were there before the snow or ice came.
    Ergo it must have been WARMER with low CO2 levels.
    Could anyone repeat Hannibal’s crossing of the Alps in 218 BC in todays conditions?

    • markl permalink
      August 21, 2019 5:25 pm

      +1 Why are they so immediate to jump to the conclusion that fossil fuel is responsible when it’s recurring in history before the use of fossil fuels?

  7. mjr permalink
    August 21, 2019 4:45 pm

    My sinuses are bothering me more .. Due to Global warming . More heat, more humidity , more sinus problems . Simples. But seriously what is worrying is that supposedly intelligent people (this expert has an “ology”) attribute anything to extreme weather caused by Global Warming as it is now the norm.. Thank you BBC and your ridiculous lies and propaganda . Anyone remember when the BBC was honest and truthful? When Brexit happens can we sell the BBC to Belgium. They would be happier if they were there and so would we.

    • saparonia permalink
      August 21, 2019 6:13 pm

      BBC has NEVER been honest and truthful. You might have thought they were when you were a child. I remember the first TV my parents had, it had a 6″x4″ (yes,inches). Those were the days! In those days, Attenborough lulled us to sleep with baby lions, while hatching his dastardly evil plan to exterminate all the humans he didn’t like..I remember my father crying when Kennedy was murdered and when they went to the Moon, he fell off his chair laughing and slid onto the floor with tears steaming down his face.

      • mjr permalink
        August 22, 2019 10:53 am

        ah – nostalgia.. Not what it was!

  8. MrGrimNasty permalink
    August 21, 2019 5:30 pm

    CH5 news propaganda exceeded itself just now.

    Big backdrop ‘CLIMATE MELTDOWN’. Claims expert scientists in Greenland say the melt is ‘off the scale’ – so they are not experts then, and/or liars.

    ‘Every ton of ice that melts impacts sea levels around the world’ – in mm please?

    Again they gave sea level rise if it all melts (completely impossible).

    No mention of gains last 2 years and expanding glaciers as recently reported.

    This is now science, an isolated week of unusually warm but not unprecedented weather is now climate change.

    Radio 5 live was just as bad this orning, had a journo saying Summit recorded record temperatures, only ever been above freezing once or twice before etc. – obviously didn’t bother reading the retraction, it never happened according to DMI.

  9. saparonia permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:03 pm

    Environmental Archaeology covers a lot of information about climate. An archaeologist jumping on to this band wagon is plain silly. I have a BA(hons) in that subject and was taught that CO2 increase is a symptom not a cause. CO2 increase is from sea algae, damage to forests, e,g, forest fires etc and volcanoes and these are symptomatic of the onset of Ice Ages.

    The Sun and nothing else is the single causal factor of our climate.

    This “about/change” from CO2 causing Warming to CO2 causing Ice Age is surely iffy even to the man-in-the-street?

  10. Bloke down the pub permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:17 pm

    The timing of a storm would seem to be an important factor. If it hits at peak low tide, it will shift far more sand from the bed than at any other time.

    • Tom O permalink
      August 23, 2019 7:57 pm

      Actually, something to consider is this – this ship was “sunk in a gale without a trace,” so it says, yet here it is being uncovered on a beach. HOW did it get from “sunk without a trace” presumably with all lives lost, to being buried under the sand at the beach? Granted, the ship could have been moved closer to shore by tides and currents, but I would have to wonder if it is possible for it to sit on the sand and sink into it, or has that part of the coast raised up enough to bring it to the surface?

  11. Mack permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:48 pm

    Have you seen what climate change has done to that wonderful ancient monument Pevensey Castle in Sussex? From a shoreline Roman fort and fleet base in the 4th Century AD to the landing spot of William the Conqueror in the 11th Century, the climate has not only managed to pick it up, but actually dump it a mile inland from where it used to be. No use for a bucket and spade there anymore. Incredible. Must be all those man made rising sea levels wot done it. Hang on a minute…..

  12. johnbillscott permalink
    August 21, 2019 6:53 pm

    Another expert!!!

    An expert is somebody who is more than 50 miles from home, has no responsibility for implementing the advice he gives, and shows slides. Edwin Meese

    Read more at https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/edwin_meese_115946

  13. Fred Streeter permalink
    August 21, 2019 7:43 pm

    As JimW states, old “news”:

    “The Submerged Forest at Both and Ynys-las, Cardiganshire: Data for the Study of Post-Galacial History no.1”
    by H. Godwin & L. Newton, 1938.

    From the research notes of Mrs. F. N. Cambell James, Department of Botany, University College, Aberystwyth, who died before she could publish her research.

  14. August 21, 2019 9:36 pm

    Yes, ice melting on the coast of Greenland releases ancient settlement sites that were inhabited during the Medieval Warm Period for hundreds of years. Stumps of birch forests showing up proving that the Earth was a lot warmer about 600 and 1600 years ago. This drives a stake in the Warmist theory that CO2 drives Global temperatures as CO2 was pretty stable during all those warming periods.

    • I_am_not_a_robot permalink
      August 21, 2019 10:09 pm

      Physics says, all else being equal, that increasing CO2 atmospheric concentration is a sufficient cause of av. global temperature rise but history shows that it is not a necessary cause.

    • August 22, 2019 12:00 pm

      Mention the Medieval Warm Period at your own peril. Michael Mann abolished it along with the Little Ice Age. He is known for suing those who dare to disagree with him.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        August 22, 2019 1:48 pm

        To date I don’t think any of his cases have come to a conclusion? His ploy is to string them out to bankrupt the defendant but that hasn’t worked with Mark Steyn. I found it hilarious that none of his climate crook mates submitted anything to support him.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        August 23, 2019 9:49 am

        HOT NEWS!!!

        The case Thinskinned Mann brought against the esteemed Dr Tim Ball for defamation has been dismissed! And Dr Ball has been awarded costs. We now await the outcome of his case against Mark Steyn.

  15. August 22, 2019 12:00 pm

    Just keep in mind: whatever happens, it is Donald Trump’s fault.

  16. Gerry, England permalink
    August 22, 2019 1:54 pm

    And the Mail today has it that it will be the hottest August bank holiday weekend evah!! I am sure they will do everything they can to make it higher than the record set in 2001 at Heathrow Airport – stop sniggering at the back there.

    More worrying is the survey that says the propaganda spewed out by the BBC, Guardian et al is having an effect so that more people believe in the myth.

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      August 22, 2019 7:09 pm

      Stupid isn’t it, it’s another useless random statistic. The BH falls all over the place as the last Monday in August from 1971 and mostly the first from 1871. From 1965 for a while it was set on an ad-hoc basis and even ended up in September a few times. Any record set will be (even more) meaningless than most records claimed. It isn’t going to get anywhere near the August (dubious) all-time record.

  17. August 22, 2019 9:29 pm

    As more ice melts due to more heat in the system, it’s entirely logical that more ancient artifacts will be exposed, including access to oil, further exacerbating the warming. A perfect case is Trump eyeing a Greenland purchase. Oil companies have had their eyes on parts of the Arctic for years now. They see what’s going on, even if they just want to exploit it and make things worse.

    CO2 merely obeys the laws of physics and traps heat via triatomic vibrations. The base greenhouse effect (without which Earth would be mostly frozen) has rarely been challenged. Do you really think CO2 is an insignificant trace gas when it’s been the only thing keeping Earth habitable all this time? A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT’s disingenuous.

    At least you’re against futile wind farms. But too many Big Wind opponents can’t accept that Man is causing more than one environmental problem at a time (like arson and vandalism on the same building). In these evidence-denial blogs, it’s always gotta be “us against them,” never a problem with the whole corrupt growth economy.

    https://falseprogress.home.blog/2016/11/03/windschmerz-wind-energy-is-not-green/ (see section on denial)

    • August 22, 2019 10:37 pm

      Dohh you moron!!
      If these ancient artifacts a few hundred years old were under ice, it would prove that the ice is only recent.
      Go away and read the article properly, it talks about remains previously covered by the sea

  18. August 23, 2019 2:49 am

    Soon Hitler’s gold will jump out of the Toplitz lake…

  19. M E permalink
    August 24, 2019 12:21 pm

    An archaeologist should have some training in geomorphology. We had, back in the Dark Ages of the 1960s. Shorelines are always changing. whether on rivers building up deltas or flooding or changing course. Lake and sea coasts eating away or building up shorelines. Bays getting flooded in storms and the land becoming bog. Sand spits or pebble bars suddenly wash away. Sand dunes build up and erode. Most have nothing to do with climate change just bad weather and tides. This has all happened in the past as students of geology could tell them if the news media were ever to ask.

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