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Climate change melts 12.5bn tons of ice in Greenland 50 years earlier than predicted–Telegraph

August 29, 2019
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By Paul Homewood

 

The Telegraph is head to head with the Mirror in the race for worst climate story of the week:

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Billions of tonnes of ice in Greenland is melting 50 years ahead of climate change schedules, preventing inhabitants from moving around the country by sledge and leading to the surreal spectacle of children playing in the Arctic sea due to rising temperatures.

A heatwave gripping the Arctic region is causing unprecedented levels of melting ice, and has also seen global sea levels rise, in a clear sign that climate change is taking its severe toll much more quickly than predicted.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/28/climate-change-melts-billions-tons-ice-greenland-fifty-years/

 

The rest of the article is just a rehash of yesterday’s Mirror fairy tales.

But where on earth does the DT get this nonsense about ice melt?

To recap, the Greenland ice cap typically loses about 200 billion tonnes of ice every summer, which is replaced by over 500 billion tonnes from snow falling in winter.

This gain in surface mass balance is countered by calving of glaciers.

This year the summer melt has been slightly higher than normal, but way less than in 2012. Moreover the last two summers have seen ice mass gains well above average.

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http://polarportal.dk/en/greenland/surface-conditions/

 

The Telegraph’s figure of 12.5bn tonnes is small change against the overall changes, and relates to one day, August 1st, as they state:

The glacier-covered island is experiencing record-breaking temperatures which rose to 22C on August 1, 15C above the average rate. On that same day, the severe heat caused Greenland to lose 12.5 billion tons of ice, a staggeringly large amount even by Arctic standards.

Martin Stendel, a Danish climate expert, has warned that the overall amount of ice that melted on July 31 and August 1 was enough to cover all of Florida with nearly five inches of water.   Extreme cases of ice melting typically occur once every 250 years, however the enormous loss of ice on August 1 was the second since 2012, in a sign that the climate crisis is rapidly worsening. 

 

Of course, 12bn tonnes is not “a staggering amount”, and daily peaks like this are quite common. And similar amounts are frequently added in winter.

As for this supposed “climate expert”, quite what relevance the Florida comparison has, I am not sure. Last time I checked, melting ice did not congregate over only one state.

As “once every 250 years”, perhaps he would like to tell us who was measuring the ice cap in 1769.

 

Given that the Greenland ice cap contains an estimated 2,600,000,000,000,000 tonnes of ice, that’s 2,600,000 billion, I don’t think we need to worry too much about the odd 12 billion!

 

BTW –Unfortunately the DT does not have comments on this story. I wonder why!

35 Comments
  1. August 29, 2019 6:29 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate- Science.press.

  2. August 29, 2019 6:43 pm

    It is all about money and sales for the media outlets. They would not get many buyers on papers containing news that Greenland was having normal weather. Perhaps they should consider why the viking explorers called it Greenland in the first place, way before the industrial revolution.

    • cajwbroomhill permalink
      August 29, 2019 8:15 pm

      Callled thus by Danish politicos to encourage immigration there, I learned at scool.

      • Christopher W permalink
        August 29, 2019 10:32 pm

        Taught incorrectly unfortunately. Eirik the Red named it such because in summer coastal Greenland is covered in lush green grass. Thus it was and is a simple statement of reality. It is theorised that migration to Iceland suffered due to the unattractive name, but it is simply not true that Greenland was named inaccurately as a marketing ploy. Danes had nothing to do with the name in any case – the early Viking settlers of Greenland were from Norway via Iceland.

      • Philip Mulholland permalink
        August 30, 2019 11:17 am

        On my last visit to Norway I stayed in the northern city of Trondheim. The ancient Nidaros Cathedral records the history of the bishops and clearly shows that Trondheim was a rich and important centre for trade and commerce across the Norwegian Sea to Shetland, Orkney, The Western Isles, The Isle of Man, Faroes, Iceland and yes Garðar, Greenland – so nothing to do with Denmark. The idea that Greenland was originally Danish territory was a piece of real politic by the Danes.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      August 30, 2019 9:11 am

      And yet right under their noses is the whole global warming, data fiddling, green energy subsidy troughing scam that is a massive story.

  3. George L permalink
    August 29, 2019 6:56 pm

    Keystone Kops
    The scammers jumped from a few hot days in France to a few in England to a few in Greenland. The trend looks more like a change to colder climate which they will squirm to blame on fossil fuel CO2 also.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      August 30, 2019 10:18 am

      Been in SW France for nearly three weeks now, and apart from a couple of hot days it has been significantly cooler than average.

  4. Chaswarnertoo permalink
    August 29, 2019 7:25 pm

    Why I’m here and no longer buy the Tlegrapher….

  5. Nancy & John Hultquist permalink
    August 29, 2019 7:56 pm

    The article is by James Rothwell and Abbie Cheeseman.
    Skipped arithmetic in school — told the pizza place to cut the pie into 6 pieces because they would not be able to eat 8.

  6. August 29, 2019 8:26 pm

    The (misinformation) story has gone viral in the MSM and social media

    It appears to have coincided with – https://www.thearcticinstitute.org/event/network-north-the-arctic-institutes-professional-networking-event-series-washington-2019/ where https://twitter.com/VSHerrmann is the President

    It’s about to get worse because Harrabin has just tweeted a new article in the (terrible) Independent – https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-crisis-sea-level-rise-un-ipcc-report-global-warming-a9083891.html

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      August 30, 2019 10:20 am

      “If accurate” – but we cannot possibly know if it is accurate because it predicts the future. Anu body alarmed about ifs and maybes is a child.

  7. Bruce Garrick permalink
    August 29, 2019 9:07 pm

    There is a chain of not dormant volcanoes under the arctic. Some years very active and melts everything. Other years not so much. Volcanoes are not climate change

  8. H Davis permalink
    August 29, 2019 9:13 pm

    “…was enough to cover all of Florida with nearly five inches of water.”

    I live in Florida. Send the 5″ of water ASAP. We’re entirely dependent on ground water here and with our sandy soil and limestone substructure that 5″ of water would disappear in a few hours adding a nice little bit to the Floridan aquifer.

    • Pancho Plail permalink
      August 29, 2019 9:35 pm

      Area of Greenland – 2.17 million sq km Area of Florida – 170 thousand sq km

  9. August 29, 2019 9:34 pm

    I asked @VSHerrmann to comment on the article and she replied –

    • Malcolm Skipper permalink
      August 29, 2019 10:54 pm

      bisto52 – Good for you. VSHermann is quoted in DT “We are already entering a new normal … we are now seeing far and beyond what we predicted in 2019.” To make these statements surely requires figures/numbers (ie measurable data) to substantiate/verify what she’s stated. Her expertise may not be in atmospherics or glaciology but she has a doctorate and is president and managing director of the Arctic Institute. So what data has she seen that shows this is the new normal, and what exactly was predicted that is ‘far and beyond’?

  10. Athelstan. permalink
    August 29, 2019 11:33 pm

    Of course polar ice melts, even in Summer, even in Greenland.

    Even ice caps are in constant flux and the twonks who perceive ice sheet calving as evidence of ‘ice sheet melt’ are usually barking, and up the wrong tree, where calving means accretion in the upper reaches of the snow/ ice field, mass, pressure, regelation and gravity does the rest.

    The overall ice mass balance on the land ice sheet is stable if not accreting on yearly measure and all the rest is just exaggerated hypothesizing blarney from the paid shills/ ecomentalist ignoramuses.

    The reality is, the ice sheet ain’t going anywhere very quickly and remember foiks, historically speaking: there’s a reason why it was so named ‘Green land’. Natural warming can do that, don’t you know, so panic over and go back to sleep horrorbin/shukman.

  11. Broadlands permalink
    August 30, 2019 1:59 am

    “50 years ahead of climate change schedules.”
    Has it occurred to these expert climate specialists that sort of comment is further evidence that their models are no good? Perhaps that’s why they keep adjusting them and the data they put into them. Sooner or later they might get it right?

    • dave permalink
      August 30, 2019 9:18 am

      “…12.5 bn tons…”

      This is…a totally trivial amount. But it will do for the great mass of people, who have not a clue about the physical meaning of magnitudes. Almost all maths and science education is totally wasted. Might as well show a blind man a sunrise.

      Occasionally, a link to the old documentary called “Harvard Commencement” will pop up as you use the internet. A stunning insight into just what is in the heads of “our finest” – faculty included!

      One particular interview sums it up. A very articulate black man in his new cap and gown explains that he has taken courses in Electro-Magnetism and Relativity. Then he is asked what causes summer and immediately answers, “It is when the Earth gets closer to the Sun.”

      Everybody has the same intuitive feelings which are mistaken for knowledge. And almost everybody will go straight back to these comforting illusions and delusions, as soon as the pressure to think is removed. Consequently, most scientists are as clueless about how the world really works as the great unwashed are.

  12. edwardrodolph1891 permalink
    August 30, 2019 10:08 am

    Hundreds of billions of tons come and go with summer/winter every year. -GIVE OVER, we do NOT go for ‘warmist’s tripe!

  13. Phoenix44 permalink
    August 30, 2019 10:16 am

    If the model is out by 50 years the model is WRONG not “more right”. This story simply tells us the climate scare is fiction because we obviously don’t know what is happening or why.

  14. David permalink
    August 30, 2019 11:47 am

    Since Christopher Booker went the DT appears to have decided to propogate Climate Change nonsense, presumably because surveys indicate that most of its readers have now been converted to AGW

    • mikewaite permalink
      August 31, 2019 8:32 pm

      Could it be because the owners want to sell it?
      Is it true that the Guardian has massive (relatively speaking) reserves of cash from the sale of Autotrader and consequently is the only major newspaper in a sufficiently comfortable finacial position to purchase the DT?
      Harmonising editorial policy would facilitate that sale, or “merger” because it would be the Guardian Trust that has to be convinced.

  15. August 30, 2019 12:11 pm

    Tip : A documentary backed by Michael Moore discovers that Wind&Solar are a complete fraud that will do nothing to “save us” from the alleged “global warming”.
    The director of a movie about “green” energy financed by Michael Moore admits that there are huge issues with it:
    Gibbs said he initially took on the endeavor to understand why climate issues were not being resolved, and was surprised that the further he researched, the more he found that the alternative energy movement itself was wrought with issues.

    “It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs told the AP.
    “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only are the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us … but (also) that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money.
    … It dawned on me that these technologies were just another profit center.”

    The doc, for example, sheds light on the biomass process, which is considered a renewable source of energy.
    However, it requires the cutting down of a large amount of trees in order to then convert them into energy.
    This and other dilemmas were brought to the forefront in the film.

    https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2019/08/08/michael-moore-backed-doc-planet-of-the-humans-explores-alternative-energy

  16. August 30, 2019 12:18 pm

    The Tele guards against people calling out its extraordinary claims
    by forbidding COMMENTS
    but with Gab Dissenter you can tag any webpage with your comment
    https://dissenter.com/comment/5d6905a351eedd6ef26bbdfe

  17. August 30, 2019 12:31 pm

    Another way to comment is to find the reporters tweets

  18. August 30, 2019 12:32 pm

    See how one of the writers admits he knows nothing and appeals for help from an activist
    .. I mean “expert”

    • dfhunter permalink
      August 30, 2019 11:31 pm

      @stewgreen
      Thanks for the James Rothwell tweet/link

      “but it’s off my usual beat and on a tight deadline”
      liked this quote from the article –
      “Greenland has had a fire this year, and a number over the last few years and there was also a landslide recently which swept away a village,” said Dr Ruth Mottram, a climate scientist and glaciologist at the Danish Meteorological Institute. “There will be other big consequences [of the heat] – we are expecting more mosquitoes, for example.”

      only ref to a landslide which swept away a village
      https://www.nature.com/news/huge-landslide-triggered-rare-greenland-mega-tsunami-1.22374

      as you would expect it has this quote – “They warn that such events could become more frequent as the climate warms”

  19. Gamecock permalink
    August 30, 2019 12:52 pm

    Pictured boys enjoying the water. Why didn’t the Telegraph photographer tell them to get the damn smiles off their faces, they are ruining the story.

  20. August 30, 2019 7:43 pm

    The alarmists have succeeded in convincing most people that extreme weather events such as heatwaves, storms, and droughts are all due to climate change.

    However in the IPCC documentation –
    10.6.2 Attribution of Weather and Climate Events
    https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_Chapter10_FINAL.pdf
    It says –

    ‘Globally, there is low confidence in any long-term increases in tropical cyclone activity (Section 2.6.3) and we assess that there is low confidence in attributing global changes to any particular cause. In the North Atlantic region there is medium confidence that a reduction in aerosol forcing over the North Atlantic has contributed at least in part to the observed increase in tropical cyclone activity since the 1970s. There remains substantial disagreement on the relative importance of internal variability, GHG forcing and aerosols for this observed trend. It remains uncertain whether past changes in tropical cyclone activity are outside the range of natural internal variability’
    (Remember these people are looking for evidence to prove what they already believe!)

    NB Medium Confidence is ‘about 5 out of 10 chance’ = 50% probability. (or 33%?)
    http://www.sejarchive.org/resource/IPCC_terminology.htm

    As storm Dorian develops the BBC will have loonies on saying the climate is becoming more ‘unstable’ however if one searches the IPCC 1.5 special report the word isn’t in it – https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2019/06/SR15_Full_Report_High_Res.pdf

  21. August 30, 2019 7:54 pm

    Incidentally, I’m puzzled as to why Chapter 10 doesn’t appear to be in the list! Maybe they forgot to delete it?
    https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/download/#full

  22. August 30, 2019 7:59 pm

    When the warming stops their rickety anti-science bandwagon will have nowhere to go.

  23. August 30, 2019 8:11 pm

    (The quote above -‘ Globally, there is low confidence…’ is on Page 914)

    Just noticed a reference to Greenland in Chapter 10 – Page 870

    ‘Ice sheets and glaciers are melting, and anthropogenic influences are likely to have contributed to the surface melting of Greenland since 1993 and to the retreat of glaciers since the 1960s. Since 2007, internal variability is likely to have further enhanced the melt over Greenland. For glaciers there is a high level of scientific understanding from robust estimates of observed mass loss, internal variability and glacier response to climatic drivers. Owing to a low level of scientific understanding there is low confidence in attributing the
    causes of the observed loss of mass from the Antarctic ice sheet since 1993. {4.3.3, 10.5.2, Table 10.1}’

    Are they saying – ‘We really don’t know’?

  24. August 31, 2019 11:25 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate Collections.

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