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Smart meter rollout delayed for four years (And Cost Rises Again!)

September 17, 2019

By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Joe Public

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The government has pushed back the deadline for smart energy meter rollout by four years until 2024.

Previously, suppliers’ deadline was the end of 2020, but energy firms had warned the technology was not ready.

But the extra time could lead to more years of frustration for customers, many of whom are fed up with the new meters they have been given.

It also means the cost of installing the new equipment is likely to rise further, to more than £13bn in total.

Customers are not obliged to have a smart meter fitted, but energy firms must have offered them to all UK households by the end of the new deadline.

The promise of smart meters was that readings would be automatic, billing would be easier, and a new world of flexible charges would be ushered in.

In practice, millions of people found they had new meters which did not work properly if they switched suppliers – and millions more have not been given the technology at all.

Smart meter target

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49721436

 

The BBC forgot to mention that it is bill payers who will end up footing the bill for the £13bn, which is almost certainly an underestimate.

As for the new target, will we see 39 million more meters fitted in the next five years, when we’ve fitted only about 10 million in the last five years?

There is only one logical move, and that is to abandon the whole wretched programme.

70 Comments
  1. richardw permalink
    September 17, 2019 12:31 pm

    One of the reasons 10 million have been installed so far is that conventional meters are no longer available. It would be interesting to know how many of the 10 million are ‘dumb’ (like ours). That said when I had my dumb smart meter installed electricity consumption seemed to drop by 10-20%, which indicates a calibration issue with either the old or new meter.

    I did note that National Grid is offering redundancy to anyone in management who might know anything useful about power distribution!

    Things will get interesting if we have a very cold winter. We’re considering switching to gas for cooking and buying a small generator.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      September 17, 2019 1:13 pm

      Cold weather might just be on its way very soon…..

    • chaswarnertoo permalink
      September 17, 2019 4:27 pm

      Got a large woodpile, a genny and lpg bottles, bring on the grand solar minimum.

      • September 17, 2019 8:52 pm

        Me too, plus a large oil tank.

      • Mack permalink
        September 17, 2019 11:01 pm

        Em, a Grand Solar Minimum, combined with the AMO inevitably turning negative soon, equals a stake through the heart of C02 global warming theory. Alas, it’s the poorest and weakest members of society who will pay the price for the hubris of the climate Pharisees and the politicos in their thrall.

  2. JimW permalink
    September 17, 2019 12:41 pm

    They can’t abandon it, as its the only way they are going to be able to manage the system, by turning the supply of millions off as required.

    • chaswarnertoo permalink
      September 17, 2019 4:28 pm

      Or build some nice cheap gas turbines……

      • JimW permalink
        September 18, 2019 12:52 pm

        I am assuming they are quite mad!

  3. September 17, 2019 12:51 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate- Science.press.

  4. taylor361 permalink
    September 17, 2019 12:53 pm

    This was predicted back in 2011 in a number of SME reviews that were conducted on behalf of DECC and HMT but were then buried by Government.

    The Australia experience should have been sufficient to show there is no benefit to households indeed there is a cost without any improvement in power usage.

    Such is likely to be the cost of this failure at some stage there will need to be a judge led review of this failed programme which is part of a broader failure within DECC, government policy, industry and climate change academia. It will be interesting to see whether the chief proponents of the above failure will ever be held to account- namely Ed Milliband and Ed Davy. I doubt it.

  5. cajwbroomhill permalink
    September 17, 2019 1:10 pm

    Your conclusion, Paul, applies even more strongly to the whole decarbonisation program and much more greenery besides, all avoidable own-goals.

  6. Gerry, England permalink
    September 17, 2019 1:12 pm

    Front page of The Daily Mail where they make it clear we are picking up the bill for this latest bit of government incompetence.

  7. Saighdear permalink
    September 17, 2019 1:21 pm

    Huh we got one several years ago and it didna work ‘cos oor hoose is conneced to the old farm buildings wher the power comes in and where the meter resides – no communication between notso smart meter in house with new consumer uni in outhouse.
    AND ! ….Mau I REMIND YOU ALL that it is just another wall wart to consume as much power as leaving Hifi / tv etc plugged in overnight

  8. jack broughton permalink
    September 17, 2019 1:23 pm

    The scheme is wrong in every way possible: who is going to watch their electricity usage all the time and decide not to make a second cup of tea because of the cost. Most people, apart from the very rich, watch their usage as far as they can to keep the bills down. The only use that these have will be when demand management is implemented with time of day pricing. I guess that this is the modern version of a coin-meter.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      September 17, 2019 2:52 pm

      The savings you can make are lower than the value of the time required to make the savings. So nobody does it.

  9. John Roger Gascoigne permalink
    September 17, 2019 1:25 pm

    I have lived in Fl for 16 years and always had those features in my electric meter plus my bill for a 4 bedroom/3 reception house with AC and a pool is $200 a month WHY is it taking so long to get them in UK

  10. MrGrimNasty permalink
    September 17, 2019 1:52 pm

    Rather than brownouts/area power cuts which are obvious to users/politicians/press, I wonder if smart meters can be used to manage stealth power cuts? Rather than a whole area going dark, if they turned off the supply at 1 in 50 meters to manage demand, carefully distributed, and picked different users each time, people would assume they had an individual supply problem, and the embarrassing media coverage of windmill failure would be avoided.

    Anyway, from my point of view, I can’t possibly use less electricity (cut to the bone already), so a smart meter makes no difference, it’s just another cost I have to carry because of the UK’s disastrous climate/energy policy.

    • H Davis permalink
      September 17, 2019 3:09 pm

      The smart meter isn’t going to cut off your electricity, it’s going to convince you to shut off some of your equipment because it will price you into bankruptcy if you don’t. When the demand on the system gets close to its capacity the meters will be told to start charging really high rates for energy. Hopefully, you will be sitting in front of your meter or somewhere where you’ll see this price increase and leap up and shut off the A/C (in the US) or teapot (in the UK) to reduce the load on the system.

      At one time we had a “time of day” rate for our electricity. This charged slightly higher rates than the non time of day rate during the day (8am – 6pm) and much lower rates at night. We had a timer on our electric hot water heater so that it turned on only at night and we would try to do other tasks that used a lot of electricity at night. This turned out to be a major pain in the backside for the amount we were saving so we gave it up. It was just not worth it. Our largest electricity user was the A/C which you couldn’t run at night and “store up” the cold. The next was hot water but that wasn’t enough to tip the scale to favor the time of day rate because with that rate normal daytime use was charged at more than if we were on the regular rate.

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        September 17, 2019 7:19 pm

        Of course time/tariffs will be used to shift demand.

        The fact remains smart meters CAN be used to cut users off. That much has been admitted (in event of non-payment v. the old visit and snip/cap).

        It is only a small step from there to attempting to conceal power supply capacity failures.

  11. It doesn't add up... permalink
    September 17, 2019 2:37 pm

    I noted that this story has been supplemented by the usual nonsense claims that smart meters save energy. I thought these claims had been refused by the ASA.

  12. Athelstan. permalink
    September 17, 2019 2:38 pm

    smart meters, is taking the piss.

    Not only is it – installation a colossal failure, what do they do, the double down on egregious policy error.

    F*ckwits, still……………………..know this – it ain’t their money.

    oh and btw, £13 could construct 5 or 6 reliable coal generating electrical plant 8-10 GW, cheap, plentiful, available year round, and no NEED of stupid meters – either.

    go figure everybody else is,

    but HMG.UK.

  13. September 17, 2019 3:35 pm

    There was a smart meter advert on TV last night
    .. That’s new cos the normal way is thru constant LBC radio adverts featuring the actress who’s an Labour activist, and the Saturday full page newspaper adverts.

    You consumer pay for all this PR.

  14. September 17, 2019 3:36 pm

    R4 now at 3:30pm is doing the Brazil Forest fires
    .. Bolsonaro is in hospital having surgery for last years stabbing, so the fires are not in the news there any more.

    • Lez permalink
      September 17, 2019 5:09 pm

      We’ve given up with the BBC- and LBC during the hours 10am to 4pm when the Guardian indoctrinated loony-left presenters take over the airwaves.
      Suggest you give Talk Radio a try. At least you get a more balanced view of what’s going on around us.

  15. Ian Cook permalink
    September 17, 2019 3:37 pm

    I already know how much electricity is costing me, because I have a meter on the wall outside and to help me the company send me a bill every so often. If I was stunningly stupid, I suppose I might want to know, straight away how much switching something on was costing me. Answer; a 3kw kettle will cost you a lot for a little while. You can tell it’s 3kw by looking at the label. Does this make me smart? Currently, smart means these idiot devices and motorways that kill people, so maybe I don’t want to be smart.

    • Sheri permalink
      September 17, 2019 3:43 pm

      Ian—I definately agree. “Smart” generally means anything but smart.

      • September 17, 2019 4:04 pm

        Yes it’s an era of ‘ambush naming’
        eg where a Global Warming true believer website which is neither skeptical nor scientific is named that way.

        So what is the true name of such new meters ?
        ‘Variable price and supply limiting meters’ or something ?

    • Stuart Brown permalink
      September 17, 2019 7:54 pm

      You are assuming the wrong meaning of the word, of course…

      OED: Smart
      (mass noun) Sharp stinging pain. ‘the smart of the recent cuts’
      (verb) (of a wound or part of the body) feel or cause a sharp stinging pain.
      ‘her legs were scratched and smarting’
      ‘the cut was smarting’

      Origin: Old English smeortan (verb), of West Germanic origin; related to German schmerzen; the adjective is related to the verb, the original sense (late Old English) being ‘causing sharp pain’

      My old Mum (88) was recently presented with a bill for over £1000 per month after having ‘smart’ meters fitted. Previously it had been a fraction of that. I told her not to do it… Still arguing with EON.

      • debileeblog permalink
        September 18, 2019 12:37 pm

        I never thought of it like that – Of course ” Smart ” Hurts. They’re still trying to force me to have one…. So I sent the CEO of Dover Council a NoL Notice of Liability which they replied to straight away and told me I would no longer receive such “offers” It worked.

  16. September 17, 2019 3:42 pm

    Lord Brexit has a new post
    This is the third set of smart meters I have had fitted,
    the last one fitted by Solarplicity didn’t even work.

    This new Ovo universal smart meter. I am told that if I change supplier I will no longer need a new smart meter fitting.
    I can’t believe that the government didn’t ensure this was done from the start,
    I dread to think of the money they have wasted over the years.
    At the end of the day the end users pay for the cost of the smart meters.

    The engineer fitted the new meters yesterday, but couldn’t link up to Ovos system.
    I was asked to call Ovo today and felt fobbed off.
    I am an ex telecom engineer and most companies are now so incompetent.
    My appointment to fit the meter was cancelled twice.”

    https://timawells.wordpress.com/2019/09/17/ovo-universal-smart-meter/

  17. September 17, 2019 3:57 pm

    Over at BH we have #1 a smart meter discussion
    A few days I posted that a new bbc smart meter story says that SMETS2 meters are not 100% fully functional particularly in the northeast so corps are often still installing some SMETS1
    Sometimes they try a smets2 first
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-496809436

    We also have #2 The way the Advertising Regulator lets GreenBlob advertising break the law

  18. September 17, 2019 4:08 pm

    It is rather ironic that one of the problem with smart meter roll out is a lot of them do not work with solar panels. So If you have solar panels you can not have a smart meter. If you have a smart meter and you want solar panels you have to change to a dumb meter.
    Also If you want to monitor your power usage you do not need a smart meter you can use energy monitors. These allow you to monitor your energy but do not send the information back to your supplier so you still have to read the meters.
    The reason for the problem is that a lot of independent companies developed solar panels with out developing a standard for communication.
    I had the same problem when developing software for fire alarm systems and connecting to fire panels developed by other companies. Also as companies get taken over and new development teams get brought in the knowledge and documentation if it exists get lost so you have to try to back engineer the systems.
    Now imagine when gas was installed everyone used different size gas pipes with different threads. But back in the day they anticipated this and developed British standards that everyone had to use to be legal. But the same forethought was not applied to solar panels.
    As technology development and change is faster and comes from many different countries
    this problem is not going away. This is another example of difference between reality and government promises or commitments. It is easy to promise that by 2030 or 2050 98% will have smart meters or any of the green promises. It just you can not meet your promises.
    But you can spend a lot of money not meeting your promises.

    • Stuart Brown permalink
      September 17, 2019 8:00 pm

      At last! A reason to fit solar panels!!

    • Gerry, England permalink
      September 18, 2019 1:46 pm

      I was given an energy monitor by Eon when a customer and got one from British Gas free with some offer. I also bought a plug in that could be programmed with your electricity rate so it could show you the monetary cost as well as energy use. I think the plug in is in a draw and the other 2 in a box somewhere since I moved over 4 years ago.

  19. Harry Passfield permalink
    September 17, 2019 4:08 pm

    “There is only one logical move, and that is to abandon the whole wretched programme.”

    Or, the government get really stroppy and make them compulsory. You only have to listen to Farming Today followed by Today to realise the hysteria is growing by the day. The ‘we must do something before it’s too late’ brigade is well funded and too well represented.

    • chaswarnertoo permalink
      September 17, 2019 4:31 pm

      I have a sharpened pitchfork and can make explosives…..

  20. September 17, 2019 4:15 pm

    So no dumb smart meters from the dumb, not-fit-for-purpose, socialist government.

  21. Nancy & John Hultquist permalink
    September 17, 2019 5:15 pm

    Squandering the wealth of a fine nation.

    • Derek Reynolds permalink
      September 18, 2019 2:54 pm

      Squandering the Nation – period! Smart meters also monitor usage of individual items through the so called ‘internet of things’ and can transmit data to the web. Similarly, said meter will be able to see where in your house you are, and what you may be doing. Hacked into, it could also be used to find when you are out, and ‘smart’ thieves will know when to enter.

      How long will it be (if not already with us at some stage) before we have waste disposal monitored through food packaging implants thereby targeting what we buy and what we sell; where from and how often, with prompts and follow up calls via the internet (which is already heavily ‘cookied’). Fuel used; distance travelled; insurance compliance – the list is endless.

      A solution? Keep it simple. Give no consent to such devices. Avoid like the plague.

  22. Schrodinger's Cat permalink
    September 17, 2019 6:53 pm

    Installing the meters was an EU directive and the Lib Dem coalition energy minister embraced it immediately. The eco-enthusiastic Germans thought it was an expensive project with no real benefit and refused to proceed. I do not know the current position in Germany.

    It is such a pointless project that many people assume that the real purpose of smart meters is future control of demand by the government. This would require the compulsory inclusion of control chips in domestic appliances and firmware upgrades to the meters.

    They could reduce the delivered supply to particular post codes or IP addresses or simply impose rationing by compulsory cuts. I remember reading that a frequency reduction would make appliances less effective but still able to work. It would be easy to impose selected tariffs in order to control usage through cost. The government does not comment on such possibilities but there must be some knowledge of what is possible within the industry.

  23. Harry Passfield permalink
    September 17, 2019 6:55 pm

    I have a dumb meter which is read by a smart user. Just sayin’.

    • Athelstan. permalink
      September 17, 2019 7:26 pm

      smart rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr reader!

      😉

      • Steve permalink
        September 18, 2019 2:07 pm

        We had a smart fitted while with Ovo and it stopped working when we changed supplier. This supplier was useless so we went back to Ovo but it still doesn’t work on the display. When it went dumb it took the meter man 15 minutes to read it because it is necessary to press buttons while clambering over the wife’s shoe racks. Then it takes me 10 minutes to put the shoes back. The 5 million smarts fitted so far will have to be changed.
        The Italians fit meters for a fraction of the cost which use mobile phone networks. But ours had to be for a smaarter brittan, according to that thick sounding actress. How much are they wasting on these advert? Ed Davy got a knighthood for services to stupidity..

    • Up2snuff permalink
      September 17, 2019 9:02 pm

      HP, me too.

      I don’t have to clamber into under stair cupboard. Just go out front door and read the things once a week. Records over the years tend to give the lie to the Global Warming & Climate Change nonsense, too.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        September 18, 2019 1:50 pm

        Gas outside, electricity inside, read them every Saturday morning and put the readings in a spreadsheet while having morning tea and toast. Takes minutes. When smartarse suppliers try to up my direct debit I can produce usage figures to shoot them down. Having a 12mths running usage figure to hand makes checking supplier prices really easy.

  24. GeoffB permalink
    September 17, 2019 8:55 pm

    here is the comment I put on the Daily Mail comments

    The project should be scrapped, there is no way they are going to save any money unless the consumer goes without…turn down your heating and stop using oven, kettle tumble drier etc. Completed compulsory installations of smart meters with peak pricing (Ontario Canada is a good example) failed to make any discernible change to consumption.
    Theoretically they could be used to disconnect individual households for load shedding or non payment of bills, but this would be dangerous for gas supplies and for electricity, load shedding its automatic and preprogrammed into the frequency trip relays. (incorrectly as the last power cut demonstrated). So the only justification is to put the meter readers out of work!!!!!!! All of these meters are leased from finance companies and I suspect the government signed contract to take 50 million of them and they are stuck with them. Anyone got a better explanation for this farce?

  25. john cooknell permalink
    September 17, 2019 9:29 pm

    I use “smart” energy, to save energy and money, I have HIVE for my heating and a few other things.

    It cost £134 and I installed it in less than 1 hour, (simple plug in swap for my heating controller).

    The software app on the phone works fine, I have saved the cost of the kit in the first six months. I got fed up with realising I had left the heating on in the rush to get out of the door, to get where I was going. I now just turn the heating off and on from wherever I am. The lights and cameras are just for bling!

    i cannot control a smart meter, so it does nothing, so it can save nothing.

  26. Coeur de Lion permalink
    September 17, 2019 9:38 pm

    On one of their expensive full page adverts there was a POLAR BEAR bottom right. Liars fraudsters leftist ignorantists

  27. tom0mason permalink
    September 17, 2019 9:43 pm

    Any device with the word ‘Smart’ in it’s name or description means that it īs designed to …
    ________SPY ON YOU!_____

    ¯
    Social Monitoring & Recording Technology = SMART devices, apps, vehicles, etc.

  28. Mike Higton permalink
    September 17, 2019 9:52 pm

    The number of future installations will be even higher than the graph shows because they will have to go back and replace all of the millions of early-spec units that were not fit for purpose.
    If someone is genuinely concerned about the power consumption of bits of kit, £10 buys a simple plug monitor which records what the individual widget uses over a chosen period. Trying to do that with a meter must be fiddly because it will never be a steady-state scenario, nor does it allow the daily consumption of a piece of kit to be monitored – only the load at a given moment.

    • Athelstan. permalink
      September 18, 2019 9:01 am

      interesting stuff, so true and all but things I just don’t consider but SHOULD.

      thank you.

  29. Missing Semicolon permalink
    September 17, 2019 11:08 pm

    I also saw a hint somewhere (ah it was Big Clive) that Smart Meters may be switched to measuring KVA not KWh. In other words, you will pay for the current, not the power. Many low-energy devices have a poor “power factor” and so will suddenly gost a lot more to run.

    • dave permalink
      September 18, 2019 3:49 pm

      “…KVA not KWh…”

      This is to do with so-called ‘reactive power.’ This sloshes backwards and forwards between the supply machinery and the load, and it is only ‘created’ when the distribution system is being energized. Therefore you should not have to steadily pay for it. Especially as it is actually useful in the grid for stabilizing the system.

      It sounds as if the poor consumer is to be suckered in yet another way by the double talkers.

  30. September 18, 2019 12:20 am

    6:10pm ITV LOCAL news had a long PR item on ELECTRIC CARS and how lovely they are
    No real local angle, it looks like a national item syndicated into my area news.

    The journo’s promo tweet
    ITV also did a number of build up tweets with the 36,000 deaths claim
    .. which is #FakeNews

    =====================
    The item began “Families say they they being priced out of Britain’s electric car revolution”

    Doh no they aren’t cos ..that phrase is Public Relations speak;
    it’s not what real people say.
    The item had no news value ..it was a PR sham to push Electric Cars

    I did a transcript here

  31. Michael Perry permalink
    September 18, 2019 9:30 am

    Meanwhile, the energy suppliers are making a ‘killing’ by charging inflated prices to those without a ‘smart’ meter – even those who have applied for one but not been fitted yet. I applied to EDF to have the meters fitted in June, but they can’t supply yet and give no date. My tariff expired in July so had to select a new tariff and was only allowed a non-smart tariff that was over £200 per year more expensive than any of the ‘smart’ meter tariffs. I think they have pulled the wool over Government eyes over this and all to increase their profits alone.
    Why are Government so gullible?

  32. Carol Harding permalink
    September 18, 2019 10:08 am

    That graph looks a bit like a hockey stick.

  33. Ivan permalink
    September 18, 2019 10:16 am

    Economic progress comes from productivity improvements. Meters that can be remotely read is a material productivity improvement that saves us all money, when it is cheap enough to install them. Remote disconnection/reconnection improves the productivity of enforcement activities, and improves compliance by the won’t-pays, and that saves us all money too. The can’t-pays are another issue.

    Then there is the fact that most people do reduce electricity consumption when made aware, day by day, hour by hour, of what their consumption is, on average by about 10%. But most people are unaware of it because going outside with a meter box key to take readings at hourly intervals is a serious faff. So having an in-home device (IHD) to display your hourly electricity usage makes it much more likely that people will notice their consumption and respond to it. What disappoints me about my IHD is that it only shows electricity consumption over half hour periods, it would be more useful if it showed instantaneous consumption. I have nevertheless learnt about equipment problems from surprising meter readings on my IHD.

    Then there is the issue of whether we should have time-of-use tariffs. We are used to time-of-use tariffs in other areas, and they would make sense to be more widely employed in energy. Some people have long had economy 7, but in pre-electronic times that required a special meter that could only be used precisely for economy 7. Electronic meters makes TOU easy for everyone. Some other countries have long had time-of-use tariffs because it makes sense.

    The main question is therefore the efficient manner of deploying them. It does not seem that having suppliers responsible for them has been very efficient. If meters remained the responsibility of distribution companies, to put in when the meter needed changing, then many problems would have been avoided, and cost reduced.

    Currently the main impediment to achieving the roll-out is that people can refuse one, and many people do. I don’t see how the target can be met when many customers can and do say “no”. Given the problems some people have had with them, I can understand why they do say “no”. I did manage to keep my meter smart when I changed supplier, but I had to research which suppliers could read my meter, and then ask them to reactivate it.

    • September 18, 2019 10:59 am

      “people do reduce electricity consumption …, on average by about 10%.”
      That seems a BS claim
      Where is your evidence ??

      SmartEnergyGB has always avoided quoting today’s stats , instead it repeats years old computer modelling predictions
      For a start the Smeter is eating up electricity all the time.

      • Saighdear permalink
        September 18, 2019 11:50 am

        And it is EXPENSIVE ELECTRICITY! Way back in 2017 https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/experts/article-4607552/How-electricity-smart-meters-use-cost-run.html they confirmed that the amount of energy a smart meter used was about 1 kWh of electricity per year which would cost between 70p and £1.
        NEARLY a POUND for a UNIT ? Cor blimey

      • Michael Adams permalink
        September 18, 2019 12:01 pm

        I read about a year ago some research revealed that people who had SM’s installed only looked at them for the first 1 or 2 weeks then gave up. Presumably they saw little profit from their efforts or didn’t really want to change the time they had a cup of tea, watched TV or got up and showered. Who’d have thought.

      • H Davis permalink
        September 18, 2019 4:12 pm

        Saighdear says the smart meter uses 1Kwh/year for a cost of 70p to 100p. Does electricity really cost that much in the UK? Here in the U.S. I pay 11 cents U.S. (9p) per Kwh for the first 1000 Kwh and 13 cents (10p) for additional amounts above 1000 Kwh. Are you really paying 8 times what I’m paying?

      • Saighdear permalink
        September 18, 2019 10:09 pm

        Cor Blimey H Davis, I only QUOTED what THEY said.( see the Link for more details…. Currently I am with Bulb and pay under 14p ( £0.14) per kWHr. Wish I could be paying 9p too.
        See follks, it’s good to talk! – you find things out!

    • Derek Reynolds permalink
      September 18, 2019 3:11 pm

      Why would you want to know how much electricity you use per minute or hour? Why would you want to know about “instantaneous usage”?? Have you nothing better to do than watch some gadget??

      I have a conventional digital meter that I read once a month and go online to input the figures. Once a month is not a “serious faff”. From my suppliers website I can enter my readings, see how much it has cost, with a chart to show previous figures and usage, and an overall consumption rate. What more do I need?

      Do I want a smart meter – NO. Do I need a smart meter – NO. Will I be made to have a smart meter? I’d rather generate my own.

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      September 18, 2019 6:51 pm

      A lot of baseless assertions there Ivan.

      Automation does not guarantee a cost saving – I reached that conclusion numerous times in my previous life as an IT/automation/business analyst.

      We are also assured that green jobs are the pay-off (whereas we all know green kills jobs) and you’ve just confirmed that yet again.

      Everyone already knows that electricity costs money, nobody that wants to save money pours it down the drain. Most, like me, already use the minimum possible.

      Smart meters are like car hypermiling, sure you can behave in a super-attentive way for a few days/weeks, adopt completely unnatural and inconvenient behaviours, and convince yourself you have saved a few %, but it isn’t sustainable (no joke intended). For goodness sake, life is too short to be constantly monitoring the energy you are using, nobody will keep that up for long.

      Every economy 7 meter I ever had took a signal ‘down the line’ and could be switched between charges for how ever many periods/duration the supplier wished in 24hrs.

  34. Ron Liebermann permalink
    September 19, 2019 7:08 pm

    It should be called the Stupid Meter. Private homeowners pay a fortune for energy. It doesn’t matter if it’s gas or electricity. The problem is that people have no representation. There is no Homeowners Energy Council. If there were, prices would drop 40%.

  35. dennisambler permalink
    September 20, 2019 12:08 pm

    http://www.nickhunn.com/british-smart-meters-cost-28-million-each/

    Britain’s smart meters are now officially the most expensive smart meters in the world.

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