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Catastrophic Sea Level Rise At Scapa Flow

October 10, 2019

By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Joe Public

 

 

New evidence of catastrophic sea level rise at Scapa Flow since WWI:

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https://twitter.com/benny55au/status/1177167307371474949?s=20

 

NB The Twitter post wrongly labels it as WWII, but the author corrected this soon after.

45 Comments
  1. Michael Adams permalink
    October 10, 2019 4:44 pm

    Yes, it’s sunk all those ships.

  2. October 10, 2019 4:45 pm

    OMG, SLR made all the ships disappear

  3. James L. Neill permalink
    October 10, 2019 4:51 pm

    Where is Boaty MacBoatface?

  4. October 10, 2019 4:53 pm

    Like they say, a photo is worth a thousand words. In this case, far fewer are required, they speak for themselves.

  5. David Ashton permalink
    October 10, 2019 5:17 pm

    But wasn’t the first one taken at high tide and the second at low tide?

    • Dave Cowdell permalink
      October 10, 2019 5:20 pm

      Or vice versa?

    • Steve Parker permalink
      October 12, 2019 6:16 am

      Just take new ones at both high and low tide.

  6. Malcolm Bell permalink
    October 10, 2019 5:38 pm

    I need to know that these were exactly the same state of tide. Are they springs or neaps and at what hour? Without that data they are useless.

    • Dr Roger Higgs permalink
      October 10, 2019 9:14 pm

      Well said Malcolm. Spring-tide range at Scapa Flow is 1.5m, far exceeding the measured 30cm global sea-level rise since 1850 (Jevrejeva et al. 2008). Nothing to do with CO2 though …
      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331651462
      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332245803

      • john cooknell permalink
        October 10, 2019 9:38 pm

        I can actually understand this record i.e. where it came from, how they measured things (good old ordnance survey), how they checked the measurements etc etc and even understood the adjustments.

        I read the stuff that the IPCC base their stuff on and find it almost impossible to understand, the statistical gymnastics are impressive but does it make it more robust?

        https://www.ntslf.org/products/sea-level-trends

    • Fred Streeter permalink
      October 10, 2019 10:22 pm

      According to a reply by Dave My Face to the same question:

      Extreme high tide!
      1st one at 8.34am
      2nd one at 4.22pm

    • James Taylor permalink
      October 11, 2019 2:25 pm

      Hahahaha….

  7. Jorgen Faxholm permalink
    October 10, 2019 5:57 pm

    Tide difference at St Mary’s is ca. 3.2m.
    Now we need to know the photo details – if available

  8. MrGrimNasty permalink
    October 10, 2019 6:20 pm

    One of those coastal archaeology programs visited the derelict Solway Firth viaduct.
    The railway line was only ever 15ft above high tide.
    150 years of catastrophic sea rise is hard to discern.
    In 1881 it was damaged by ice floes.

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-solway-coast-ruined-remains-of-the-solway-viaduct-solway-junction-90857511.html

  9. October 10, 2019 6:48 pm

    There is an almost limitless supply of picture comparison like this. Just look at old arial pictures of many islands and compare them with what you find on Google maps. If there are no other reasons for coastal transformation, chances are that you find the same shapes. If the water was rising, that would not be so. Does any Alarmist want to weight in on this?

  10. MrGrimNasty permalink
    October 10, 2019 7:15 pm

    Marginally rising sea levels (which is what 1-3 mm a year is) are not scary. The alarmists fail to take account of the full range of natural processes and man’s engineering. I suspect dropping sea levels would actually INCREASE land loss to the sea. Slowly rising seas probably favour accretion (as well as coral reefs).

    “Analysis of the satellite derived shoreline data indicates that 24% of the world’s sandy beaches are eroding at rates exceeding 0.5 m/yr, while 28% are accreting and 48% are stable.”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24630-6

    “Coastal areas were also analysed, and to the scientists surprise, coastlines had gained more land – 33,700 sq km (13,000 sq miles) – than they had been lost to water (20,100 sq km or 7,800 sq miles).”

    Based on this (sorry £££££):-

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3111

  11. It doesn't add up... permalink
    October 10, 2019 8:20 pm

    Wouldn’t a bit of SCUBA diving have sunk the theory?

  12. john cooknell permalink
    October 10, 2019 8:24 pm

    This gives more than a clue that things are not in any way out of order.

    https://www.ntslf.org/products/sea-level-trends

  13. M E permalink
    October 10, 2019 8:26 pm

    For those who read books. Get a secondhand copy of The Principles of Physical Geography F J Monkhouse. Climate impacts on landforms so those who are interested in climate change should read books on Physical Geography and not Twitter.

    Extinction Rebellion cannon fodder only read what is on line in blogs and on Twitter, judging by their slogans.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      October 10, 2019 8:38 pm

      Andrew Neill gives a dolly from Extinction Rebellion a hard time over their ridiculous claims. It is so nice to watch her squirm even though Neill is not well versed in true science and facts. I hooted with laughter when in response to Neill pointing out that the IPCC AR5 did not match her claims she cited climate crook Michael Mann as evidence.

      And further good news, James Dyson is dumping his electric car because nobody wants to buy them in large enough numbers to make it viable.

  14. Robert Cave permalink
    October 10, 2019 10:00 pm

    Don’t wish to appear a cockwomble but how would you refute the possibility that the top one was taken at high tide and the bottom one at low tide?

    • Joe Public permalink
      October 10, 2019 11:14 pm

      Or vice versa?

      Or anywhere between those two extremes.

    • October 11, 2019 9:18 am

      If you look at the beach in the foreground, it appears the tide is higher in the second photo than it is in the first.

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      October 11, 2019 10:45 am

      The land shape and vegetation lines and tide marks would be substantially different if sea levels had changed dramatically.

      The land uplift/sinking around Scotland is not uniform (as said, pretty neutral around Shetland) or very large anywhere.

      Lerwick and Wick tide gauges show no significant annual rise in MSL from mid 60s to present. Aberdeen has a long record and shows no net change between WW1 period and the break in the record in the mid 70s. Possibly marginal increase since it resumed 80s to present.

      In the extreme, if you said the annual MSL around Scotland had varied +/- 4″ in over 100 years, you would not be far wrong – clearly that is of no concern whatsoever.

  15. October 10, 2019 11:38 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate- Science.press.

  16. Peter Lord permalink
    October 11, 2019 5:24 am

    Still the same filthy weather too!

  17. Stanley Morley permalink
    October 11, 2019 6:56 am

    The tide on the tidal mark ”Isle Of The Dead Tasmania” has hardly moved since it was carved in the stone by convicts 1845. The ocean warming and climate change due to humans and carbon dioxide – https://principia-scientific.org/chemistry-expert-carbon-dioxide-cant-cause-global-warming/?fbclid=IwAR13aUglL-HXsowhvWflrGx_c4p1zDezc3zrbXI5S2-05xOvwAccw3OkxOU

  18. Bertie permalink
    October 11, 2019 7:21 am

    He was very gentle with her, I thought. She talked absolute rubbish in pre-prepared soundbites never once addressing any of the points he was making. Not so much hilarious as disturbing.

    • October 11, 2019 5:27 pm

      Well it was on BBC. In fact I’m surprised he was allowed to even question ER propaganda as normally anything like that is banned.

  19. Nordisch geo-climber permalink
    October 11, 2019 9:45 am

    Interesting this sea level story. Yesterday I had the pleasure of visiting The Stork Inn at Conder Green, where the River Conder and the Lancaster canal meet Morecambe Bay and the Lune estuary just south of Lancaster.
    A knowledgeable local chap who had been born and bred there, had lived in the same flood-prone house for 50 years (tidal zone). He was a boat owner and fisherman some of the time. He knew a lot about the local properties, everything about the area, the history, the tides, the estuary, the weather, the fishing for Plaice and Morecambe Bay Shrimp. He said in 50 years, sea level had not changed one millimetre.
    I recommend you visit the excellent pub and get the story first hand!!

    • Tim. permalink
      October 11, 2019 3:11 pm

      Ah yes, The Stork. Wonderful meals. I have film of high tide there when the water comes up to within a few feet of the buildings.

  20. calnorth permalink
    October 11, 2019 9:45 am

    She’s a green mother with an MSc in Science Communications..whatever the fork that is?

    Guido got it here:

    https://order-order.com/2019/10/10/extinction-rebellion-finally-subjected-media-scrutiny/

  21. calnorth permalink
    October 11, 2019 9:57 am

    XR Green councillor v Myles Allan (IPCC stuff)

    BBC Newsnight: “when you go home and look at your children and believe they have a 50/50 chance of the world staying as we know today….”

    https://order-order.com/2019/10/11/extinction-rebellion-confronted-actual-scientist/

  22. saparonia permalink
    October 11, 2019 10:50 am

    This is why we need cameras and hard copies instead of filling phones and then deleting old pics.

  23. Richard Hill permalink
    October 12, 2019 11:38 pm

    Erm, the first photo is of the still floating ships, they were scuttled in 1919 but most were refloated and salvaged over the subsequent years. In fact this salvage is still going on because small amounts of steel are required for manufacture of radiation detection devices, the water apparently has shielded the steel in the ships from contamination with radio isotopes.

    Any steel above or nearly above the waterline in 1919 would have been easy pickings for the salvagers and has gone long ago. Apparently there are a few ships still down there that are visited by leisure divers.

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