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Climate change: Thousands invited to join citizens’ assembly

November 2, 2019

By Paul Homewood

 

Now what could go wrong?

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Letters are being sent to 30,000 households across the UK inviting people to join a citizens’ assembly on climate change.

Once participants are selected, the assembly will meet next year, with the outcome of their discussions reported back to Parliament.

The initiative, set up by cross party MPs, will look at what members of the public can do to reduce CO2.

The UK government has committed to cut carbon emissions to net zero by 2050.

Rachel Reeves, chair of the Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) Committee, one of six select committees who commissioned the climate assembly, said a clear roadmap was needed to achieve this goal.

"Finding solutions which are equitable and have public support will be crucial," she said.

"Parliament needs to work with the people and with government to address the challenge of climate change."

Random selection

The invitees to Climate Assembly UK have been selected at random from across the UK. From those who respond, 110 people will be chosen as a representative sample of the population.

They will meet over four weekends from late January in Birmingham, and will discuss topics ranging from transport to household energy use.

A citizens’ assembly has been a key demand of the environmental campaign group Extinction Rebellion, whose protests caused widespread disruption this year.

The group said they welcomed this as a first step, but warned that the assembly should be focussing on cutting carbon emissions to net zero by 2025 not 2050.

Spokesperson Linda Doyle said: "Waiting 30 years to reach zero net carbon emissions is a death sentence to people around the world and in the UK – it gives us a higher chance of breaching irreversible tipping points as the climate breaks down and it only serves short term ‘business as usual’."

Complex issues

Environmental group Friends of the Earth said citizens’ assemblies could play an important part in policy-making.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50264797

Reasonable? Just take a closer look:

 The invitees to Climate Assembly UK have been selected at random from across the UK. From those who respond, 110 people will be chosen as a representative sample of the population

Most ordinary people won’t have the time, inclination or knowledge to bother with this. What you will end up with is a handful of activists. Any ordinary members of the public who do volunteer will quickly find themselves browbeaten, without the knowledge to defend their views.

Momentum activists have taken over the Labour Party in just the same way, by using a small number of entryists to take over local meetings, thanks to the apathy of most members.

Undoubtedly, MPs will use the recommendations of these “ordinary members of the public” to justify future policy actions, which will be hugely unpopular with the public at large.

FOOTNOTE

 

 Melanie McDonough has a piece in the Speccie, making the points I have made, but in a much more professional way!

She also makes the important point about who chairs these meetings.

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https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/a-citizens-assembly-on-climate-change-is-the-cowards-way-out/

She also makes the important point about who chairs these meetings:

And then there is the chair, the person in charge of the Assembly, in the Irish case,  Mrs. Justice Mary Laffoy, who played a key role in framing the questions put to the groups as they sat round their tables in a hotel in Malahide. The leader of the Assembly has a crucial role in setting the agenda and framing the way the questions are dealt with. Forty experts on various sides addressed the citizens, over five weekends. A friend of mine, a professor of psychiatry at UCD refused the invitation to take part, because she could see from the start that she was being brought in to provide a spurious notion of balance where none actually existed. If the chair is biased (and if Mrs Justice Mary Laffoy voted for the pro-lifers I would not be surprised so much as completely speechless) there is ample opportunity to guide the discussion in a way that produces the result you want.

This is definitely not the way to assess public opinion. It should be immediately rejected by the govt.

72 Comments
  1. Alec Gwynn permalink
    November 2, 2019 6:09 pm

    Thanks for your ongoing reporting; especially in the face of the tidal wave of group think & hysteria that is brainwashing so many people

  2. Robert Fairless permalink
    November 2, 2019 6:12 pm

    It’s a false religion. CO2 is not a poison it is essential to life on Earth. Without it the Earth would be a barren rock incapable of supporting life of any sort. No need to be a scientist or an expert to recognise the truth.

    • November 2, 2019 7:45 pm

      Indeed – the government is just recruiting useful idiots for its pointless anti-CO2 policies.

    • Mack permalink
      November 3, 2019 10:40 pm

      CO2 comprises approximately 0.04% of the atmosphere. If I created a box chart of the content of the atmosphere comprising 100 squares. CO2 would register just a teeny weeny dot, almost microscopic, in the corner of one of those hundred squares. Now, according to the IPCC, man’s contribution to the planet’s CO2 input is approx 3% of the total. That would work out as a dot so small, in just one of those squares, that even a microscope would have to re-focus in trying to identifying it. So, 3% of 0.04% is so f…..ing insignificant as to be of no impact whatsoever in climate impact terms and ‘settled science’ says that that tiny molecule is the control knob of climate? Really? Really? Are there any grown up scientists out there who haven’t already sold their souls out to the climate alarmist gravy train, apart from the usual small coterie of honest malcontents, who are ready to stand up for their profession and be honest that, in the immortal words of the intro of a Billy Paul classic from the 1970s ‘You’ve been misled, you’ve been had, you’ve been took!’

      • Harry J permalink
        November 4, 2019 8:08 pm

        Please check your facts. The historic background level of CO2 in the atmosphere was 280 parts per million, and it’s now more than 415ppm and rising. See the Keeling curve.
        The UN, have said drastic change is necessary. The UK parliamentary committee on climate change have said something similar. It’s not a comfortable message to take on board, and if you want to stay in your bunker, that’s your choice. Margaret Thatcher was concerned about climate change, as was George Bush senior. Sadly insufficient action was taken in past decades, and we’re now deeply in the mire. Please try to get both your head and your heart around the science. We need rapid change across the globe.
        Harry.

      • Mack permalink
        November 5, 2019 11:04 am

        Plenty of ‘historical facts’ in my ‘bunker’ Harry.

        The Keeling Curve starts in 1958. Notwithstanding the fact that the beginning of the upwards curve corresponded with planetary cooling, not warming, over geological time scales the slow rise in CO2 levels recorded over the past 60 years are virtually meaningless and certainly not unusual or unprecedented. Indeed, for most of geological history CO2 levels have far exceeded current, relatively paltry, levels. The great Cambrian ‘Explosion’ of complex life organisms occurred 500 million years ago with CO2 levels over 4,000ppm and temperatures considerably hotter than today. Life on earth propspers in warmth and enhanced CO2 levels. That’s why the planet has been greening in recent decades, world wide crop yields have never been higher, ditto life expectancy and, fortunately, with all the benefits of fossil fuel powered economies and related technological advances, deaths from climate related disasters have never been lower. All life on earth struggles when CO2 levels are low. Below 180ppm and we’ve all had it.

        Whilst on the history kick, have a good look at what life was like on earth when CO2 was at the so called ‘ideal’ pre-industrial level of 280ppm during the Little Ice Age with a climate typified by freezing weather, failed harvests, droughts, storms, pestilence and early death. Since the last glaciation, humanity has prospered during the periodic warm periods (Holocene Climate Optimum, Minoan, Roman and Medieval) all of which were warmer than the Modern Warming Period and all natural in origin. Nothing unusual or unprecedented is happening and there is no climate crisis. Last but not least, have a read of Margaret Thatcher’s last book ‘Statecraft’, particularly the chapter entitled ‘Hot Air and Global Warming’. Having originally been instrumental in the setting up of the IPCC and fallen hook, line and sinker for the alarmist narrative, when considering the subject in greater depth she came to the conclusion that the recent rise in warming and CO2 levels was net beneficial, the science behind the narrative was deeply flawed and merely provided a front for left leaning activists to hijack modern capitalist economies and submit them to global socialist governance. No change there then!

  3. Huw Thomas permalink
    November 2, 2019 6:22 pm

    The Labour Party is well and truly a part of the green cult but I am concerned that the Conservatives are now on the same slippery slope that leads into the depths of this destructive green zealotry.

    • November 2, 2019 10:29 pm

      One of Mrs. May’s final actions was to declare the Climate emergency. Her legacy is in tatters.

      • Adam Gallon permalink
        November 3, 2019 9:38 pm

        I missed her legacy, what was it?

  4. Mark Hodgson permalink
    November 2, 2019 6:24 pm

    In the incredibly unlikely event that I am one of the chosen, I will attend – and will ask you for help so that we can fight back!

    • Michael Adams permalink
      November 3, 2019 2:11 pm

      “The invitees to Climate Assembly UK have been selected at random from across the UK”

      Random my arse.

  5. HotScot permalink
    November 2, 2019 6:25 pm

    Infiltration of a Politburo by socialist greens.

    And our utterly dense politicians let them do it.

  6. Chris Matchette-Downes permalink
    November 2, 2019 6:30 pm

    Hitlerjugend?

    • TomO permalink
      November 3, 2019 4:21 pm

      Green Volksturm was my first reaction – but “110” final participants

      The £520,000 cost of Climate Assembly UK is being met partly by the House of Commons, providing £120,000, with the rest split between two philanthropic foundations, the Esmée Fairbairn Foundation and the European Climate Foundation

      Eerily similar –The Climate Coalition = Membership 19,000,000?

      Smells of Avaaz and seems to have a similar calendar to Gummer’s wheeze.

  7. November 2, 2019 6:49 pm

    “… by using a small number of entryists to take over local meetings, thanks to the apathy of most members …”

    They have internalised “Mein Kampf” and also “Das Kapital”

  8. Pancho Plail permalink
    November 2, 2019 6:54 pm

    With terms of reference like “will look at what members of the public can do to reduce CO2” it doesn’t leave much doubt as to the real objective. Yet another pointless talking shop.

  9. Phillip Bratby permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:02 pm

    The idea of a citizens’ assembly is destroyed here:

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/11/a-citizens-assembly-on-climate-change-is-the-cowards-way-out/

  10. The Old Bloke permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:04 pm

    Welcome to “The Borg”. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

  11. Bertie permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:05 pm

    I await the receipt of my letter of invitation – but not holding my breath.
    As a 72-yr old I somehow think that I might fail the selection process.

  12. GeoffB permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:07 pm

    Its just election propaganda to get the green loonies votes. Banning fracking is for the same reason.. Boris has quoted Piers Corbyn in the past. I would love to get a position on the Climate Assembly.

  13. MrGrimNasty permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:36 pm

    It’s seems likely that disputing the necessity of the action will not be up for discussion. Such views will not have a slot on any agenda and any attempt to raise them will be raised out of order by the chair. This is simply an exercise in asking Turkey’s to vote if they want Christmas moved by a day, instead of asking them if they want it cancelled.

    Why the Tory government has recently started to implement policy like XR is quite baffling. Net 0, fracking ban (albeit just reflecting the reality that it is impossible under
    current excessively restrictive regulations), climate emergency, and a citizen assembly.

    It’s no secret that Momentum and XR (and AnimalR?) are bed-fellows.

    Baffling and very worrying. Seems like dark forces are at work or they are running scared of XR and hoping that by feeding the crocodile………. Trouble is it is insatiable and no concession will be enough. Because it isn’t about the climate stupid.

  14. terryfwall permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:40 pm

    So, this is the invitation:

    “Letters are being sent to 30,000 households across the UK inviting people to join a citizens’ assembly on climate change.

    Once participants are selected, the assembly will meet next year, with the outcome of their discussions reported back to Parliament.

    The initiative, set up by cross party MPs, will look at what members of the public can do to reduce CO2.”

    I would be very happy to join an assembly on climate change.

    Why would I join a group whose objective has been decided in advance, with no discussion?

    I think we can guarantee that their conclusions will be presented as the Voice of the People, as if they have properly considered all the information available.

  15. Douglas Brodie permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:49 pm

    Even the UN IPCC says there is no evidence of worsening extreme weather due to human influence. The Secretary General of the WMO brands the alarmist climate narrative “religious extremism”.

    The so-called climate emergency is political fiction promoted by climate fanatics using a new lexicon of scary phrases dreamt up by the climate-deranged Guardian. Any politician who supports this fiction in order to scare their constituents and encourage extremists like Extinction Rebellion should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves – and that includes the new Business Secretary Andrea Leadsom.

    It is a disgrace that our politicians have sunk to the Goebbels technique of propagating a lie (or hysterical over-reaction) so colossal that it probably gets taken as the truth. It didn’t work out well for Goebbels!

  16. Jackington permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:55 pm

    Stop the world I want to get off!!

  17. MrGrimNasty permalink
    November 2, 2019 7:58 pm

    Maybe the climate alarmist ‘scientists’ just need a longer tie!

    https://notrickszone.com/2019/11/02/u-of-readings-stripe-chart-is-propaganda-but-2000-year-chart-make-todays-warming-look-tame/

  18. john cooknell permalink
    November 2, 2019 8:29 pm

    I once was asked to sit on a committee to try and point the way for politicians on new building regulations and energy conservation.

    I was astonished to find that I was one of a few members who actually were technically competent to contribute ideas and point to problems that might be encountered.

    You could see the eyes of the others glaze over when technical issues were explored, I realised that it wasn’t technical solutions the Politicians wanted, they just wanted headlines. So I gave up.

  19. Dave Cowdell permalink
    November 2, 2019 8:33 pm

    What a great idea. Perhaps we can also invite members of the public to collectively design a nuclear power station

    • November 2, 2019 9:13 pm

      Save

      Your comment has been noted and your letter of invitation sent elsewhere

      Tonyb

    • Graeme No.3 permalink
      November 2, 2019 9:25 pm

      No, No, Dave. Ask them to design a wind turbine to be placed next to their house. Or even better, a ‘carbon free’ yacht for them to sail in to America. That latter might solve a problem.

  20. November 2, 2019 9:44 pm

    Reblogged this on Climate- Science.press.

  21. bobn permalink
    November 2, 2019 10:08 pm

    “The initiative, set up by cross party MPs, will look at what members of the public can do to reduce CO2.”
    Meanwhile, across the UK this week bonfires rage and fireworks explode releasing copious amounts of lovely Carbon for no purpose other than a cheap thrill. So if these nutty MPs want their ‘climate emergency’ to be taken seriously, they should first ban fireworks and unnecessary bonfires. That’ll make them popular!
    The hypocracy just goes on and on and on and on ….

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      November 2, 2019 10:37 pm

      Ah those crafty Chinese and their little joke all these years. The fireworks are full of packers, tubes etc. made from the plastic waste we used to send over there for recycling. They send it back in their fireworks and we explode it all over the countryside.

  22. I_am_not_a_robot permalink
    November 2, 2019 10:09 pm

    History suggests so-called ‘citizens’ assemblies’ eventually start fighting amongst themselves and the most radically motivated and ruthless bunch end up in control.

  23. Svend Ferdinandsen permalink
    November 2, 2019 10:22 pm

    “”Parliament needs to work with the people and with government to address the challenge of climate change.”

    They say so, but the only thing they address is reduction of CO2.
    Like in Denmark we are going to have a climate plan, but it is really only a CO2 plan.
    Words do not make the climate change.

  24. November 2, 2019 11:45 pm

    Extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds kind of like the ozone insanity.
    https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/08/07/history-of-the-ozone-depletion-scare/

  25. martinbrumby permalink
    November 3, 2019 12:10 am

    Invitations ‘random’?
    I bet.
    110 selected from 30,000?
    By whom?
    How?
    At a cost of over half a Million, apparently…

    No chance of Jiggery Pokery there, then.

    And what a great idea to yet again give the XR loons what the little dears have been asking for.

    Why drag feet?
    Why not promise Zero Carbon no later than 1st April 2020?
    What could go wrong?

    No doubt they will chose a sceptic from Stornoway and another from the Scilly Isles to ‘balance’ all the Green, Labia and LimpDims carefully chosen from the Midlands. And a good sprinkle of XR toffs to give it ‘class’.

    Ànd since our beloved leaders paid no attention to Sir David Mackay nor to Dieter Helm, whose advice they’d paid for ( with our money), how likely is it they will listen to this selection of 110 sock puppets, unless they mouth precisely the script they have been given.

    Like the three ‘climategate inquiries’, like the recent debate after the petition on BBC bias (read it on Hansard), our beloved leaders are like the apotheosis of ineptitude, save in one respect.

    Taking the piss.

    • November 3, 2019 8:51 pm

      The BBC bias debate seems to have been well and truly swapped under the carpet. Would love to know what happened. Any links anyone?

  26. st3ve permalink
    November 3, 2019 12:53 am

    This is likely to result in …
    ‘everybody wanting somebody else to do something, providing nobody does anything that will affect their lifestyles ‘.

    The choices over what will need changing will be beyond the grasp and realisation of many ordinary well intentioned folk.

    Many changes will be largely outside the control of individuals and will need all individuals to surrender personal benefit to that of community gain.

    It will be interesting to see just how altruistic we will prepared to become.

  27. November 3, 2019 12:53 am

    The ice is returning. A Maunder minimum is imminent. Winter is coming. Prepare!

  28. Charlie Moncur permalink
    November 3, 2019 6:57 am

    Solutions to a problem that does not exist?

  29. sapper2 permalink
    November 3, 2019 8:56 am

    Just to add a bit more detail of what this assembly is being asked to do, taken from the Parliament UK Select Committee webpage: “Key themes to be discussed at Climate Assembly UK will include how people travel, what people buy and household energy use. The outcomes of discussions will be presented to the six select committees, who will use it as a basis for detailed work on implementing its recommendations. It will also be debated in the House of Commons.”
    I just cannot see how this assembly can be considered as representative of the nation’s views on the CO2 current hysteria affecting only some. I fear that the general childish behaviour at all levels will only get worse despite any contrary views or even experience over the coming years that may become cooler.

  30. November 3, 2019 8:57 am

    Reblogged this on Tallbloke's Talkshop and commented:
    This looks like an attempt give a facade of democratic respectability to yet more madcap anti-CO2 nonsense from the UK government. How much can the country take before economic rot sets in?

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      November 3, 2019 9:22 am

      I’m sure in some people’s minds now is the ideal opportunity to inflict economically damaging policies……. then blame Brexit for the mess and hold another referendum to rejoin the EU in 5 years, promising it will return us to prosperity. Of course it won’t, but then we’ll be locked in for keeps. So it ends up a double win for the global socialism/UN agenda goals.

  31. Adrian permalink
    November 3, 2019 9:16 am

    Even with the best possible assumptions about representation and procedure, 110 people has a 2 sigma margin of error of about 20% = 2/sqrt(110)

    That means if all decisions had a 70% majority, 1 in 20 would still be unrepresentative of the population.

  32. Keepcalmandcarryon permalink
    November 3, 2019 10:49 am

    Most of the UK’s population are too busy getting on with their ordinary working lives, bringing up their children and trying to get some enjoyment out of life to notice what is going on here. My question is how far the government are going get with their devastatingly costly, futile and incompetent plans to cut emissions before the effects on the economy start to impact and the ordinary people violently react?

  33. November 3, 2019 10:50 am

    When I read this my first thought was – if I was one of the 110 chosen ones I wouldn’t be able to afford to travel to Birmingham. Would the government pay my travel costs to enable me to go, I wonder?

    • Martin Howard Keith Brumby permalink
      November 3, 2019 3:00 pm

      Only if you were a known XR supporter.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      November 3, 2019 4:02 pm

      Only as long as it is carbon neutral

    • November 3, 2019 8:42 pm

      I am sure they will cover the ost of traveland meals. I once attended a citizen’s assembly in Southampton. We were looking at local government re-organisation in the area. It was organised by a political think-tank group. Of course it had no power and none of its recommendations were adopted.

  34. Eoin Mc permalink
    November 3, 2019 12:52 pm

    I have also monitored citizen assemblys and parliamentary committees in Ireland. All are undemocratic but not because of covert agendas by the chosen citizens in any particular Assembly or the chosen chairpersons. What became obvious very quickly in the proceedings being dealt with is that the citizens chosen were the type of people are like members of local committees and residents associations.Unlike the Uk, where there is a considerable right wing cohort, the consensus media view here is generally and nakedly left of centre. This then trickles down into the general populace. The primary problem with citizens assemblys is the agenda-led choice of expert witnessess chosen and where the members of the assembly – who are largely unaware of liberal anti-capitalist One Nation type agendas – will buy into the bias those expert witnessess invariably provide. With regard to the Irish Assembly on climate the basis for the proceedings was taking the IPCC’s crusade against carbon as their starting point. Enough said.

  35. Broadlands permalink
    November 3, 2019 12:53 pm

    Here is the fallacy not widely enough known…

    “The initiative, set up by cross party MPs, will look at what members of the public can do to reduce CO2. The UK government has committed to cut carbon emissions to net zero by 2050.”

    (1) Reducing emissions to net zero will NOT reduce CO2 already emitted…now at 415 ppm.
    (2) Reducing CO2 requires massive capture and store, a technology incapable of the job at the scale required. One ppm is eight billion metric tons. Do the math on 65 ppm, Rachel Reeves, and pass it on to Bernie and Ms. O Cortez.

  36. dennisambler permalink
    November 3, 2019 2:55 pm

    In 2006, Labour think tank IPPR, proposed that “at least for popular communications, interested agencies now need to treat the argument as having been won.”

    “This means simply behaving as if man-made climate change is real, and that individual actions to prevent further change will be effective. The UK Government’s new climate-change slogan – ‘Together this generation will tackle climate change’ (Defra 2006) – is but an example of this approach. It constructs…its own factuality.”

    It has proven successful and IPPR is still at it. David Miliband started his career with IPPR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miliband

    “From 1989 to 1994, he worked as a Research Fellow and policy analyst at the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR). He was appointed Secretary of the IPPR’s Commission on Social Justice upon its foundation in 1992 by the then leader of the Labour Party, John Smith.”

    Having given us the Climate Change Act, brother Ed Miliband is also involved with IPPR, as Co-chair, with Caroline Lucas of the Green Party, of the successor to the Social Justice Commission, the IPPR Environmental Justice Commission.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/30/green-new-deal-climate-change-social-transformation

    https://www.ippr.org/environment-and-justice/commissioners/

    One of their “commissioners” is Farhana Yamin, Associate Fellow at Chatham House, founder Track 0 and Extinction Rebellion activist. An internationally recognised environmental lawyer, climate change and development policy expert, Farhana has advised leaders and countries for 20 years.

    In addition to founding Track 0 (https://track0.org/about/partners-supporters/), she is an associate fellow at Chatham House, a visiting professor at University College London and a member of the Global Agenda Council on Climate Change at the World Economic Forum, (Davos).

    Members of the Board of Trustees at WEF include Al Gore, Mark Carney and Christine Lagarde, now head of the ECB, https://www.weforum.org/about/leadership-and-governance

    Yamin is lead author for three assessment reports for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change on adaptation and mitigation issues. [She is not a scientist but contributes to reports that are described as by “the world’s top scientists”]

    She continues to provide legal, strategy and policy advice to NGOs, foundations and developing nations on international climate change negotiations under the UNFCCC.

    XR co-founder and Corbyn supporter Gail Bradbrooke has a long association with IPPR:

    https://www.ippr.org/files/uploadedFiles/research/projects/Digital_Society/gail_bradbrook_speech.pdf

    There is some background on Bradbrooke here,
    https://nowhere.news/index.php/author/un-extinction/
    https://nowhere.news/index.php/2019/04/01/dr-gail-marie-bradbrook-compassionate-revolutionary-for-hire/

    Gail epitomises the new generation of ‘professional activists’, having positioned herself at the epicentre of the revolving door between big business, government bureaucracies and establishment-friendly NGOs, campaign groups and charitable organisations, all of which increasingly function as the public face of international corporate and financial power.

    The fact of the matter is, Dr Gail Bradbrook is one of the UK State’s go-to ‘experts’, chosen to give (the right kind of) evidence at various parliamentary hearings and committees.

    https://nowhere.news/index.php/2019/04/06/political-charities-and-the-brave-new-world-of-professional-activism/

    “Sadiq Khan meets Extinction Rebellion protesters and promises to consider citizens’ assembly on climate change”:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/extinction-rebellion-sadiq-khan-climate-change-protests-meeting-london-michael-gove-a8892106.html

  37. Martin Howard Keith Brumby permalink
    November 3, 2019 3:20 pm

    For what are we paying the 650 clowns in Westminster to supposedly run the Country (not to mention the 1,000+ placemen, toadies & stooges in the Lords), if they are going to decide things on the views of a “Random” (Ho Ho Ho) selection of vox pop?

    If we are going down the “Citizen Assembly” route, why not try it out on an easy one? Absolutely no understanding of atmospheric physics or energy generation & economics needed. No need to make allowances for people’s selfish desire to keep warm in winter and have things they enjoy eating.

    How about setting up a “Citizen Assembly” to consider what might be done about the well organised grooming and gang rape of British, Sikh and Hindu little girls, with tens of thousands of victims?

    Everyone has a fair understanding of what a little girl is. Most also have a pretty shrewd idea of who the perpetrators have been and still are. Quite a few will realise that our Beloved Leaders, from local police, social workers, teachers all the way up to the denizens of Westminster and Whitehall (and not forgetting our wonderful ‘balanced’ media) have known that this has been going on for 30 years, but have insisted that the girls were just exercising ‘Lifestyle Choices’ (even at 12 years old).

    Whilst not in any way wanting to rock our wonderful, indeed Holy Multi-Cultural boat, I guess 110 members of the public (even if not chosen entirely at random…) might just have some helpful suggestions about that?

  38. Vernon E permalink
    November 3, 2019 3:30 pm

    So far 46 people talking to themselves. Have every one of you written to your MP?

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      November 3, 2019 4:06 pm

      Not much point just at the moment is there!

    • Gerry, England permalink
      November 3, 2019 4:12 pm

      When has that ever actually achieved anything? The Tory turncoat remainer tosser that was MP – now runaway somewhere elsewhere lest he meet his comeuppance on the streets – was very proud to trumpet that he helped somebody get their money back from having their bank account fraudulently raided. You see they are only capable of doing little things for which there are other means.

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      November 3, 2019 8:17 pm

      Appropriately enough, Parliament dissolves at the end of the 5th of November. At that point there are no MPs until the election.

  39. Sheri permalink
    November 3, 2019 3:55 pm

    I think this is called “mob mentality”. We’ve actually known about it for decades, but since it’s so effective at destroying freedom, making people stupider and stupider and since natural selection has been eliminated throught tech, it continues to be the major force behind dicatatorships and violent, horrific regimes. Hey, if a 100 people say failure and stupidity are the way to go, it must be so. Humans do not improve or learn. They just advance tech. Humans remain morons.

  40. MrGrimNasty permalink
    November 3, 2019 6:42 pm

    India air pollution crisis.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-50280390
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-45890916

    It appears this burning could be stopped quickly by spending the equivalent of a handful of offshore wind turbines.

    Which should be the priority and which provides the best cost benefit? Dealing with theoretical pollution and modeled harm or real pollution harming real people right now?

  41. swan101 permalink
    November 3, 2019 7:14 pm

    Reblogged this on ECO-ENERGY DATABASE.

  42. November 3, 2019 8:56 pm

    This is simply a stunt. I don’t think many people will travel far to attend this even if they get their travel refunded. At the end of the day they will only recommend a few suggestions to the government who will have to make the decision.

    Attenborough is far more influential than 100 unknown members of the public. His piece on the walrus falling/jumping off a cliff was shown tonight. Very powerful stuff. Very influential on the public. What a propaganda coup he is.

  43. November 3, 2019 9:04 pm

    Momentum (aka: The Trotskies) are really flexing their muscles here. 30,000 clickbaits boiled down to 110 stool pidgins and lots of compliant/manipulated media attention, with the politicians as sitting ducks.
    And the silent majority will slumber on.

  44. M E permalink
    November 4, 2019 3:09 am

    Cynical opinion by one who know very little about the U K government except what can be read in Yes Minister or Yes Prime Minister. Send all these non experts plus the troublemakers to Birmingham or somewhere and let them make resolutions This keeps them out of the way and then MPs can form a committee to review their findings This will report back in the ” fullness of time” and eventually find them ‘not appropriate at this juncture.’ /sarc

  45. TomO permalink
    November 4, 2019 2:13 pm

    £520k / 110 = £4727 each

    Seems suspiciously cheap for something climate policy related

  46. November 4, 2019 5:31 pm

    For balance it would also be true that the Conservative Party were taken over by UKIP entryists at the behest of Arron Banks, and then proceeded to elect Boris Johnson as PM on a hard brexit agenda.

    • November 4, 2019 7:23 pm

      Where did the Ukippers come from in the first place?

      • November 5, 2019 12:09 pm

        I guess you are saying that the kippers were originally conservatives returning home? Certainly true in some cases, but my guess (and that’s all it is) is that many had no prior affiliation or were members of fringe groups like BNP. The same would apply to the reverse takeover of labour by momentum, many of momentum were previous labour, but disaffected under Blair, and many also from SWP, communist, etc.

  47. hunterson7 permalink
    November 5, 2019 4:04 pm

    People might consider that XR 8s a two part name. The second is “Rebellion”. By definition that means XR is anti-democratic.
    Listening to the dead souls and and their anti-scientific claptrap, and now special committees of citizens on reducing carbon, one can’t help but to think about committees from previous revolutions.

  48. November 5, 2019 11:52 pm

    SIMILARLY
    @TonyJuniper tweeted
    New Board Members will soon be appointed to help me lead @NaturalEngland toward key Government goals, including Nature recovery & net zero emissions.
    Might you have what it takes to help us on this journey?
    Closes November 14. See here for more details:

    https://publicappointments.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/appointment/natural-england-board-members-2/

    • Mack permalink
      November 6, 2019 12:36 am

      Looking at the job description, no actual knowledge of the ‘natural environment’ is required. Lifelong bureaucrats on the governmental/NGO money go round tick all the boxes. Woe betide an individual who applies for the job and says ‘hey, all this enhanced CO2 is magic for the countryside. We could do with more of it. Bugger all this net zero malarkey!’

  49. November 5, 2019 11:53 pm

    XR are not REBELS ..they are CONFORMISTS (to fakegreens dogma)
    … It’s just ambush naming again

  50. November 6, 2019 4:13 am

    This is one of extinction Rebellions demands – well done HMG for giving in to such a group – and who chooses the choosers?

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