Climate Assembly UK
By Paul Homewood
We saw this coming a few months ago:
Climate Assembly UK has 110 members selected through a process known as ‘sortition’ or a ‘civic lottery’ to be representative of the UK population. They include include engineers, health workers, parents and grandparents.
How does a civic lottery work?
From 6 November 2019, 30,000 letters were sent to people up and down the country inviting them to take part in Climate Assembly UK.
To ensure the most representative sample, 80% of those receiving an invitation were randomly selected from every UK household address in Royal Mail’s Postcode Address File. The remaining 20% were randomly selected from the most deprived areas within the Royal Mail’s Postcode Address File, simply because response rates are estimated to be lower from these postcodes.
People receiving an invitation could RSVP by phone or online. This created a pool of potential participants free on the relevant dates.
We then used random stratified sampling, undertaken by a computer, to select the 110 participants who together are representative of the UK population aged 16 years and over in terms of:
- Age
- Gender
- Educational qualification
- Ethnicity
- Where in the UK they live
- Whether they live in an urban or rural area
- Attitudes to climate change
The computer also ensured that a maximum of one person from any single household was selected to participate.
https://www.climateassembly.uk/detail/recruitment/
As I queried a while ago, the key here is that the membership of this assembly is effectively self determined, as it is selected only from the people who have bothered to respond. In other words, it is far from being the “representative citizens assembly” it is pretended to be.
And of those who bother to respond, how many are eco-loons? I think we can all take a pretty good guess!
So just what will this assembly do? This is what their website says:
Climate Assembly UK will bring together people from all walks of life to discuss how the UK can reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2050. At the assembly, participants will learn about climate change and how the UK can address it, take time to discuss this with one another, and then make recommendations about what should happen.
In June 2019, six Select Committees of the House of Commons called a citizens’ assembly to understand public preferences on how the UK should tackle climate change because of the impact these decisions will have on people’s lives. A Select Committee is a group of MPs from different political parties – they examine policy issues, hold the Government to account and make proposals for new laws.
The six Select Committees involved are Business Energy and Industrial Strategy; Environmental Audit; Housing, Communities and Local Government, Science and Technology; Transport; and Treasury.
The citizens’ assembly was launched before the dissolution of Parliament for the general election, to ensure that the assembly’s report will be available to the new Parliament as it begins its work.
‘Climate Assembly UK: the path to net zero’ will consider how the UK can meet the Government’s legally binding target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2050. This means that by 2050 the UK will have to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases it produces to a much lower level than today. It will also have to balance any remaining emissions by absorbing the same amount from the atmosphere. The actions required to do this will change the way we heat our homes, what we buy, how we travel, and many other aspects of our lives, as all of these result in emissions in some way. What exactly these impacts are will depend on what the UK does to meet its target, and how it does it.
Climate Assembly UK participants will discuss these questions. They will be selected from different walks of life, shades of opinion, and from throughout the UK to form a representative sample of the UK’s population.
The outcomes of their discussions, which will be held in central Birmingham from January to March 2020, will be presented to the six select committees. The committees will use them as a basis for detailed work on implementing the assembly’s recommendations, which will also be debated in the House of Commons. This provides an unprecedented opportunity for the public to contribute to climate change debate, and to influence action taken by Government and Parliament.
The six House of Commons Select Committees who commissioned Climate Assembly UK are Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy; Environmental Audit; Treasury; Housing, Communities and Local Government; Science & Technology; and Transport.
https://www.climateassembly.uk/about/
This is an extremely dangerous development, which stands to ride roughshod over the democratic rights of the rest of the country.
According to the blurb:
This provides an unprecedented opportunity for the public to contribute to climate change debate, and to influence action taken by Government and Parliament.
It does nothing of the sort. It merely empowers a tiny clique of climate activists to control the agenda.
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
Absolutely. Frightening. Who do they think they are?
Listening to the BBC you’d think they ere the Government.
Who do they think they are? A reincarnation of Robespierre’s Committee of Public Safety perhaps? And that ended well.
“The Computer” is a rather interesting way of attributing this to an “expert third party”. Orwellian and then some.
More Billy BS from the religion. How do we stop them? needs greater consideration.
Wouldn’t it be funny if the computer had a glitch (maybe put in by a mischievous programmer) and only selected sceptics for the panel.
The hopeful thing about all this is that 110 people have never agreed on anything.
While reading down the page I thought to myself “Supposing I was able to (somehow) get selected”. I wonder how things would pan out as soon as I started voicing opinions that they didn’t expect…
They would expect them as you have to declare your opinion beforehand but, have no fear, you and I would have no chance of being selected.
As I think was said to a verbose and repetitive Climate Assembly representative speaking on the Today programme this morning ” Is this not just a glorified focus group?’
Similar
Timandra was a sane voice amongst madness.
Stew
great catch. I missed that.
What was delivered across FB today, but only if one tripped over it, was a video by Attenborough promoting this mob of 110 laymen with scant knowledge of an extraordinarily complicated subject the entire scientific community can’t fathom.
But as far as the Attenborough propaganda was concerned, it was merely how we achieve Net Zero, not why we should.
My abiding hope is that, as the lady in your video exemplifies, it’s a bit of window dressing that will cost a few hundred thousand to stop XR, instead of a few million to Police their protests.
I suspect it will serve to douse the fuse of XR with no Net result on Net Zero.
Dr. Josef Goebbels would have proud of the idea. Voting is too dangerous. A sampling by an impartial computer is much better.
By the way, who pays for this “assembly”?
It’s a “Parliament project”, so at a guess that means you and me!
click on the link to the website and click “budget” where the funding is detailed
We had a similar “Citizens Assembly” in Ireland a couple of years ago. It was rigged from day 1 to give only one answer. All “contrarian” views were deliberately locked out. It was not a democratic or scientific process.
“At the assembly, participants will learn about climate change and how the UK can address it, take time to discuss this with one another, and then make recommendations about what should happen.”
Translation – we will fully indoctrinate participants who can choose from a limited range of options in order to meet a predetermined objective.
Spot on Pancho.
Participants: remember your role is to rubberstamp our childish climate nonsense. Thanks in advance, suckers!
Ferzacerly, Pancho.
They start from the premise that CO2 is guilty as charged This is the have you stopped beating your wife approach.
“We then used random stratified sampling, undertaken by a computer, to select the 110 participants who together are representative of the UK population aged 16 years and over in terms of:
…
* Attitudes to climate change”
Yep, they choose the people they want who will most closely follow their own narrative. Unless sceptics, or even luke-warmers lied and claimed to be true believers, they had zero chance of getting on this panel.
Farcical. Like watching a “balanced” BBC report on the climate.
It reminds me of Asimov’s story The Franchise. In it, improved statistical methods allow a selection of a representative sample of size one (1), thus replacing a need for expensive presidential elections by interviewing the selected representative.
Yes, they are choosing the assembly according to the range of attitudes towards climate change in a MORI survey. What were the questions in the survey? It all sounds a bit like the 97% survey.
Given the accuracy, or lack of, of surveys in recent elections it seems a bit rich to salt the selection which will favour activists.
tractor production and people’s assemblies.
A very malignant alinskyite modelled soshul development and much akin to the Soviet collective farms and with their specially chosen ‘peoples representatives and steering committees’ and so re designed by the political pygmies in ‘our’ UK administration. The nutters in charge, will use the ‘opinion’ of these group star chambers to drive through….agreeing their whack job carbon zero + loony ruinable agenda and use ’em as the pretext, all they are – rubber stamp efforts and arbitrarily ‘guided’ done to bypass actual public opinion.
Whatever it be called, it’s the antithesis of democracy.
Yes @Athelstan this does look like an Alinsky tactic
i tried to find out more
but I end up at https://www.speroforum.com/a/16338/Barack-Obama-and-the-Alinskyians
which Google at first blocked..got in when I persisted
Interesting stuff stewgreen – thank you.
‘Alinsyite’ is the right word – and it needs to be repeated in many, many blogs where I detect just such a meme. There are many who would destroy their (and our) way of life for their (mistaken) idea of a Utopian society. I just wish they would find an uninhabited island where they could go and practise their philosophy.
Sound a bit rigged, I suppose we will get to know the identities of the people on the climate assembly panel, I expect that it will include a few high level applied mathematicians with a good knowledge of navier stokes equation to check out on the models, A number of physicists and chemists with a good knowledge of Arrhenius equations to evaluate the greenhouse gas warming theory. Maybe a few statisticians just to check the trends and introduce the concept of confidence limits. Some economists to work out the costs of carbon zero.
NO they are just going to be told “We are all going to die unless we stop producing CO2 from fossil fuels. Your task is to get Lord Deben’s CCC net zero plan accepted”
When I wrote the above I had not really looked at the details, but I got it spot on. Having watched the climate assembly live feed, its worse than I could even imagine. The presenters are all green loonies, I would not be surprised if St Greta turns up. How were they selected?
The choice of music they play when things are not happening is also fixed, they are playing the EU anthem Ode to Joy, in German of course ,as I write this.
I just hope at least one articulate climate change denier got selected by mistake.
Citzens assembly = communist wet dream
I’m afraid that “the tiny clique of climate activists” already control all media agendas.
A number of very rich people are underwriting and a massive number of sheep follow meekly, totally taken in by the disingenuous twaddle being peddled.
An atheist has more chance of appearing on US TV than a “denier “on UK TV or radio.
“an atheist has more chance……”
Christopher Hitchens, amongst many others , have a large catalogue of appearances.
Geoff, of course it is rigged.There are 110 strangers, taken from the Clapham Omnibus, meeting on four weekends to be browbeaten by skilled manipulators on a subject of eye watering complexity. None will be in their depth, any more than the “experts” who will be
indoctinating them. Note who the “expert leads”,”academic panel”,”advisory panel” and “wider society” are. The outcome is inevitable and I could probably write their report now (indeed it is probably already written so I won’t bother!
BUT they have left an open goal. The whole boondoggle is being live streamed starting tomorrow. Rather than bitching about it here the any of you can pitch in and point out that these 110 no more represent the public than the 650 chosen by and answerable to some 30 million of us. They cannot be allowed to say “the people have spoken,”
Played right and giving no quarter all of us could in fact open the debate I have been waiting 30 years to have. Consider how you could use the opportunity.
“… to discuss how the UK can reduce greenhouse gas emissions …” Epic fail. It may have a chance of working if the questions included the issue of “whether” before getting on to “how”.
As the concept of a ‘greenhouse’ gas is false anyway it will be a 100% waste of time.
But these well meaning fools don’t know that. The road to hell…..
“At the assembly, participants will learn about climate change and how the UK can address it, take time to discuss this with one another, and then make recommendations about what should happen.”
Be told what to think, then asked what they think!
“At the Citizens’ assembly, participants will learn about Mr Stalin’s Grand Plan
and how Russia can address it, take time to discuss this with one another, and then make recommendations about what should happen.”
“At the end the panel their will be a vote
Mr Stalin’s name will be the only name on the ballot paper”
…and those who disagree will be taken out and….
Homer Simpson discovers wind power, the answer to climate change:
A great two minutes…
https://climatism.blog/2020/01/22/the-simpsons-and-wind-energy/
It’s ENTRYISM
Yes, CitizensAssembly = RubberstampAssembly
How the Climate Assembly works
– “Oh I’ve just received an invitation to be on the Climate Assembly
.. stuff it I’ve got to go to work”
– “Oh I’ve just received an invitation to be on the Climate Assembly
.. I’m a full time green activist on a trust fund/benefits .. of course I’ll go”
So basically a CitizensAssembly is a ENTRYISM tactic whereby you put your few activists in power to leverage the entire organisation
..this time government
Assuming that the initial “random”(ho ho) invitations weren’t rigged ad priori, can anyone explain how many people who are productive in the economy will want, or be able, to travel to Birmingham for this assembly?
OK, it might be that someone who is a director in a ruinable energy company would think it worth his time.
But a director in a manufacturing company (not that there are so many of them)?
A self employed plasterer?
A skilled mechanic?
Someone working in a supermarket?
A single mum (assuming one who actually cares about their kid)?
The lame and the lazy will be over represented.
The kind of unemployable rent-a-mob arseholes who join anti-fracking protests will be hugely over represented.
But nice to see 16 year olds welcome. And I was imagining that education was compulsory until 18! So Assembly meetings only in school holidays? No? What kind of 16 year olds will be up for this (whether in holiday time or not?) And why disenfranchise 12 year olds? How about a few babes and sucklings, whilst they are about it?
This idea has been picked up from Extinction Rebellion and from the Gretard. Who may all be as thick as three bog-seats screwed together when it comes to science, engineering, basic economics, but who can be relied upon to spot the opportunities here.
Anyone on here could accurately predict this Assembly’s recommendations.
They will certainly echo the venal and mendacious prats in the Committee on Climate Change.
It is a measure of the anti-democratic twats in the Civil “Service” and in the Parliament, that this ludicrous focus group was even contemplated.
“The kind of unemployable rent-a-mob arseholes who join anti-fracking protests will be hugely over represented”
Spot On!
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/blackpool-fracking-campaigner-claimed-disability-benefits-despite-telling-the-dwp-he-was-afraid-to-leave-his-house-1-10217306
Who’s to say they don’t follow Trump and chose sceptics as an excuse to debunk it all?
There’s always one…
I loved the: ‘We then used random stratified sampling, undertaken by a computer‘ – and who programmed the ‘computer’?
Michael Mann?
“Who programmed the ‘computer’?”
“Nothing can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong, go wrong, go wrong, go wrong, go wrong……..”
Will the organisers ever produce a breakdown of the assembly based on political/education/qualification of the participants?
The Zero CarbCON
Is Zero Carbon a PR word or a RealWorld thing ?
Does it look like real world maths has been applied ?
Or is it wishful thinking ?
Yes we want to live in a zero-rape and zero-murder world
If the police said we were going to be zero-murder by 2050 would we take them seriously ?
but if they said with a targeting of better intelligence, social work and better surgery we aim to get the total down from the 900s to the 800s in 10 years then that is a serious plan
.. which BTW they did achieve despite the London black on black crisis.
Threat of Goon-berg
The Rebel starts asking difficult questions
Greta’s goons decide they can get physical
Not a big big expose but a start
Come see the side of Greta that nobody has shown you before. Premiering at 8AM MT, meet Greta’s elite security.
Learn about the school her fake strike originated from.
There is a Red Ice Expose from Sept 2019
Thanks for the links Stew, watched them both – very illuminating indeed. I am going to try to link the Red Ice clip onto the Graun’s comments section at an appropriate time to see if I can get it to hold without redaction If successful i shall let you know with a link to the comment
Well I have had no comuncations, but then I am 86 with lots of experience from my lifelong work experience so who cares. I am far more interlligent than the Parliament and know that there is no global warming. I would not envisage a group of people fit an proper persons to serve!
It seems that the discussion already assumes that the science is 100% correct. Whilst I am not entirely cynical about it I do feel there is a lot to be discussed before we get to this tacet acceptance that we must close down the industrial world in order to become carbon neutral.
had to look up “legally binding”
maybe wrong, but the gist I take away is –
“The other requirement for an agreement or contract to be considered legally binding is consideration – both parties must knowingly understand what they are agreeing to.
If a person is forced, tricked, or coerced into entering into an agreement, it typically is not considered legally binding.”
“The other requirement for an agreement or contract to be considered legally binding is consideration – both parties must knowingly understand what they are agreeing to.”
That’s not what consideration is. Consideration is something of value. Both parties must get something from it.
The selection process for the 110 ‘representatives’ of the U.K. Is given in detail here: https://www.climateassembly.uk/detail/recruitment/. It is evident that those who volunteered to be such have to undergo an attitude and personal attributes survey, the results of which then are fed into the computer in order to select those with the correct profile that has been predetermined as the correct balance across the UK. Well, I must say that I have never seen such a blatant way to encourage activists to participate as this. The conclusions from this costly exercise must, as stated earlier, be in draft already.
It is also interesting to read the material from the Countryside and Landowners Association plus other professional organisations on this topic of emission neutrality. I can foresee much strife ahead when the realities of any implementation of measures announced become clear.
Just look at the agenda and the “expert” leads the assembly will undoubtedly give the answers it’s backers want. Time for Tony Benn’s five questions
What power have you got? Not sure maybe a lot
Where did you get it? From another appointed committee
In whose interests do you exercise it? Er,, well er the committee
To whom are you accountable? Er, the committee?
How do we get rid of you? You can’t
Yet another tool in the dictatorial socialist toolbox.
“Peoples assembly” it is not. It is the thin end of a wedge to destroy democracy.
Some interesting comments on Davos are posted on the GWPF site including the Stasi Hausfrau calling for dialogue between sceptics and believers. She talks about healing the gap and how the polarised debate require both sides to learn to talk to each other again. She has obviously missed that sceptics are always offering to talk but are kept from the airways, de-platformed, responded to with ad hominem attacks etc. It is also nigh on impossible to have any form of rational discussion with zealots.
There is also the admission that Trump is delivering his promises to the American people which when added to the desire of the Democrats to commit climate suicide should see him back for another term.
There’s going to be a debate? That would be a first. My question is, why do we want to affect the natural climate cycle? Did we prefer the Little Ice Age (and what caused that?). Or was the Medieval Warm Period better? (And what caused that?)
This has long been an aim of Corbynite Gail Bradbrooke. She is in fact a professional activist and has been of considerable use to the government in the past:
https://nowhere.news/index.php/2019/04/01/dr-gail-marie-bradbrook-compassionate-revolutionary-for-hire/
Nice picture of Gail laughing with the police…
“Gail epitomises the new generation of ‘professional activists’, having positioned herself at the epicentre of the revolving door between big business, government bureaucracies and establishment-friendly NGOs, campaign groups and charitable organisations, all of which increasingly function as the public face of international corporate and financial power.
Acting through proxy organisations permits these forces to obscure the fact that government policies are being swayed by corporate entities that fund entire networks of charities and non-governmental organisations to interact with government on their behalf.
NGOs and charities tend to be seen as more caring and less corrupt than their corporate sponsors; and are presented as such in the media, even when their staff and financials reveal them to be entirely monetarily dependent on the corporate entities and supranational bureaucracies that they covertly campaign on behalf of.
Worse still, these ostensibly ‘independent’ NGOs, charities and professional ‘campaign groups’ are increasingly tasked with stewarding government policy and objectives.”
Then there was this: https://policyexchange.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Extremism-Rebellion.pdf
“This paper proposes that the Extinction Rebellion campaign – one that politicians and the public associate with environmentalism – is deeply rooted in a much wider extreme political agenda. Those running this campaign, which enjoys significant public sympathy, appear sincere about urgently wanting to prevent ecological crisis but argue that capitalism is irredeemably entangled with the ecological crisis which they have set themselves against.
It is therefore, unlikely that these leaders would settle for any accommodation that proposed to address environmental damage while keeping the present economic and political system in place.The leaders of Extinction Rebellion insist on bringing about systemic change in the name of stopping climate change by encouraging mass lawbreaking, causing large scale disruption, and inflicting significant economic damage.”
Which is how Deben’s CCC gets traction.
OT but ALL temperatures graphs you posted re “All of Paraguay temperature data has been tampered with” ect.. posted around jan 2015 (I think) have been removed (wordpress??). Its was a great posting which can be sent to believers but is now unavailable
They are still visible at the “Wayback Machine”:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150128224726/https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/01/26/all-of-paraguays-temperature-record-has-been-tampered-with/
You might want to copy the page to your hard drive – “File” >> “Save As” from your browser menu.
Thanks for that
Unfortuntely WordPress has limited library capacity, so when the limits are reached it dumps the oldest images
Climate Assembly UK will reflect the House of Commons which voted for a Climate Emergency then had not got the faintest idea what that meant.
It takes many years of expensive exclusive education to understand such dross, the idiots are still in charge, it has always been that way.
Well done Stewgreen.
If, as Paul says, it is to be a Parliament project there should be no reason for not being given a transcription of the proceedings. Then any ‘front loading’ of the process by the extinction tendency can be in plain sight.
A Soviet threat from within.
One cannot imagine any voice daring to be raised against what is a predetermined outcome:
“will consider how the UK can meet the Government’s legally binding target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2050”
Who dares to say that what the government bound themselves to, let them unbind.
Who will say, let us deal with matters as they arise and not put trust in magical prophecy of machines that predict what prophessors designed for.
We can expect the outcome of the Climate Change Assembly also to be the answer it is designed to be.
Here’s the agenda which of course is not about whether CC is happening or any alternative view of its causes.
https://www.climateassembly.uk/meetings/january-24/agenda/
I don’t suppose the last meeting vote will include “None of the above.”
BBC:
“Members are also representative of the country in terms of how concerned they are about climate change.
Three of the group said they were not at all concerned, 16 not very concerned, 36 fairly concerned, 54 very concerned, and one did not know, organisers said.”
Criminy!
Hope this is late enough in the comments that being off topic will be okay.
You and readers may be interested.
I just found this web site:
https://ak-wx.blogspot.com/2020/01/why-cold-now.html
… about the current cold in Alaska.
It says:
Objective Comments and Analysis – All Science, No Politics
Contributions by Richard James and Rick Thoman
Just passing along; I’ve no prior experience.
According to this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/22/uk-citizens-climate-assembly-meet-first-time
This won’t entirely prevent the over-representation of eco-loons. With an overall response rate of 6% (far too low for any kind of acceptable survey) and guessing that eco-loons will have a response rate nearer 50%, you might expect the 3% of green voters to be over-represented by about five times, and represent – say – 15% of the assembly or half the “very concerned.” (That’s a very rough guess.)
Since they will all receive the same propaganda barrage from Attenborough &co, it is presumably designed to be an experiment in government’s ability to change minds. Given how annoying eco-loons are to the average citizen, it might just backfire.
Geoff
I would bet diamonds that most of the carefully selected “sceptics” will be false-flag Greenies who will amazingly experience Damascene Conversions once they have been lectured.
I’m monitoring the thing in comments here
https://cliscep.com/2020/01/26/climate-assembly/
Questions posed to professors Haigh and Hawkins following their presentations suggest a high level of scepticism. But it might just be revenge for having been bored to tears all Saturday afternoon in a conference room in Birmingham.
Did Prof Haigh just lie to the #climateassembluk members? @netzerouk
“chinese government has decided not to build any more coalfired power stations”
Really (maybe – just badly misinformed?)
https://theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/20/china-appetite-for-coal-power-stations-returns-despite-climate-pledge-capacity
@RHarrabin @davidshukmanbbc
18 minutes in.
Martin they are not arseholes, arseholes are useful!
Does anyone know anybody who got a letter? None of my friends or acquaintances in South Gloucestershire received one.