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Hybrids To Be Banned From 2035, Along With Petrol/Diesel Cars

February 4, 2020

By Paul Homewood

 

The government has apparently brought forward the ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars to 2035. Equally significantly, the ban is extended to hybrids too, in line with the recommendations of the Environmental Select Committee last year:

 

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The car industry has accused the Government of “moving the goalposts” on Britain’s embattled automotive sector by bringing forward a ban on the sale of new hybrid, petrol and diesel vehicles.

From 2035, motorists will not be able to buy new cars with conventional power trains as part of an emissions crackdown announced by Boris Johnson. This includes those that combine internal combustion engines and batteries.

The deadline is five years earlier than the original 2040 ban, revealed in 2017, when car makers said they had not been fully consulted about the move.

Automotive companies hit out at the new deadline, with one industry source describing the announcement as a “bombshell”.

“People are furious,” said one. “We knew there was some sort of consultation coming but this was a surprise.”

The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) called the move “extremely concerning”, adding that “the Government has seemingly moved the goalposts for consumers and industry on such a critical issue”.

Car makers are “fully invested” in zero emissions cars, the trade body said, but questioned whether government policy would help deliver this, calling the announcement “a date without a plan”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/04/car-industry-fury-plan-bring-forward-ban-polluting-cars/

Understandably the car industry is furious, and the move will hammer another nail in its coffin, handing the advantage to cheaper Asian manufacturers.

As for hybrids, it is hard to see why any car manufacturer will want to invest hundreds of millions in developing hybrid technology and new models, when they will soon be banned.

In other news, I hear that the government is also withdrawing the £3500 subsidy for purchases of new EVs. If sales begin to ramp up as planned, such a subsidy would quickly have become unaffordable.

 

Finally, Michael Gove gives a good impression of a bumbling Jim Hacker, when he cannot tell Julia Hartley-Brewer how much all of the car chargers needed for his plan will cost:

 

50 Comments
  1. JimW permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:19 pm

    There are going to be a load of rust buckets on the UK’s roads for decades to come if this ever came to pass. Of course it won’t as there isn’t the remotest chance that there will be the power supply capability to support it.
    Like many other people, these sort of daft announcements just make me even more cynical of politicians in general. If they can be so dumb in this field, they probably are with everything else they do.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      February 4, 2020 4:39 pm

      Cuba, here we come!

  2. Broadlands permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:21 pm

    This should come as no surprise. After all, if the “Greens” demand a rapid and urgent reduction in carbon fuel emissions to reach a net-zero goal, that is what must happen. In addition, biofuels for “hybrids” would have to go since they are 90% fossil fuel. This is crazy.

  3. tom0mason permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:24 pm

    The madness begins.

    • Broadlands permalink
      February 4, 2020 4:28 pm

      Correction? The madness continues!

      • tom0mason permalink
        February 4, 2020 4:48 pm

        Yep, Badlands, I sit corrected

  4. annbanisher permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:26 pm

    Really, this is just a ban on freedom. The purpose is to make the citizens totally dependent on the government to be able to travel. Electric cars will not work for long or extended travel. Combined with facial recognition software, it means you will be tracked everywhere. If you can be tracked, you can be stopped.

    • Pancho Plail permalink
      February 4, 2020 4:58 pm

      Now you know why they are likely to back HS2.

  5. GeoffB permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:35 pm

    My comment on the telegraph article is second most popular…

    2 Feb 2020 7:53PM
    5 years time…..Conservatives voted out…Nigel Farage leads Realism party to victory with rallying cry..”There is NO climate emergency”

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  6. markl permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:38 pm

    Won’t happen. The notion that you can legislate away ICE vehicles is nothing but wishful thinking driven by virtue signaling. Only nuclear could provide the extra electrical capacity required and there’s not enough time to build them, even if allowed. Charging stations would need to multiply geometrically. Rare earth mineral mining couldn’t keep up. Public transportation to fill the inevitable void, if it could be filled, needed to start ramping up decades ago. This is what happens when politicians are faced with engineering problems that they haven’t the slightest clue about.

    • Sam Duncan permalink
      February 4, 2020 5:50 pm

      As I said over at Guido’s earlier (caught in moderation I think), it reminds me that just 50 years ago, it was mainstream political “wisdom” that you could tackle inflation by limiting prices and wages by government decree. Anyone who thinks you can wave a magic statute and make batteries a real, viable alternative to internal combustion is just as deluded.

      Maybe it’ll happen someday (although I’m not holding my breath), but it absolutely can’t be forced.

  7. Harry Passfield permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:38 pm

    Where to start on this total clusterf**k of a policy….
    Unless car plants are prepared to switch to EV build, the government is ostensibly saying it will put them out of business. How does the saying go? ‘Up the workers’?

    BTW: an old friend (unfortunately of the CC tendency) tells me he looks forward to getting an EV. But he wants to know, why he can’t find an EV with two sets of batteries: one set would drive motors in the front wheels while the rear wheels would receive the output from alternators to charge the second set of batteries. Then, when the first set are dying he could throw a switch and change to the charged set while the flat set would be connected to the rear wheels.
    I could not explain perpetual motion to him: he’d not heard of it!!! Face/Palm!!!

  8. Teaef permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:38 pm

    What the f*** does Gove mean ‘a net saving’?

    • Gerry, England permalink
      February 4, 2020 8:40 pm

      Not quite as ridiculously expensive as you think?

    • Sobaken permalink
      February 5, 2020 8:13 am

      The greens genuinely think that petrol is about to become so expensive (because of supposed oil resource depletion), that even though electric cars, charging stations, and additional power plants are expensive, they’ll still be less expensive than continuing with petrol cars.

    • Mark Rogers permalink
      February 5, 2020 3:17 pm

      It means we cannot tell you the real figure for how much this will all cost as it will make all of corbyn’s wacky ideas added together seem cheap.

  9. Brembo permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:51 pm

    Don’t worry the solar minimum will have kicked in by 2024 and by 2032 we will all need 4 x 4 suvs to get around for half the year and thousands will be dying of the cold each winter.
    In the meantime we all need to demand a return to proper science on CO2 and its effect on the climate i.e. somewhere between zero insignificant as far as warming is concerned.

  10. Thomas Carr permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:54 pm

    We will get used to the PM’s window dressing an the frequent change of displays. Don’t hold your breath.

  11. MrGrimNasty permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:54 pm

    They’ll have to ban the sale of diesel and petrol too, else the money laundering racket that is the ‘classic car’ market will have another reason to continue its seemingly endless bubble.

    Hybrids are stupid anyway – they obviously aren’t greener than a small efficient petrol engine, what with all the extra weight and resources required. All that has happened is that manufacturers are making cars more powerful, just adding an electric boost to an already ample ICE to get super/sports car performance.

    As predicted, the sacking of Perry was a prelude to Boris trying to bask in green wokeness. The UK is making a futile gesture. It will all come undone eventually (barring some miraculous scientific energy development), but only after enormous financial/economic damage and riots in the streets.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      February 4, 2020 8:42 pm

      But most of the abnormal cars sold are hybrids not battery cars because at least you have a charging system with you.

  12. tom0mason permalink
    February 4, 2020 4:58 pm

    Just more nonsense from the metropolitan elites.
    Sure you maybe able to wire-up the big urban conurbations with charging points (at some considerable cost, and power management difficulties) but over the whole country? I think not!
    Where is the cost/benefit analysis for this madness? How are we going to pay and power all these battery vehicles? Consumer choice is again subsumed by government diktat!

    As far as I can see from the government documents (https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7480/CBP-7480.pdf , https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electric-vehicle-homecharge-scheme-eligible-vehicles , https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/business-energy-industrial-strategy/inquiries/parliament-2017/electric-vehicles-17-19/ , and https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-league-table-reveals-electric-car-charging-availability-across-uk-as-transport-secretary-calls-on-local-authorities-to-do-more ) it’s all about virtue signaling with announcements that are stupider than any other EU country.

  13. Gray permalink
    February 4, 2020 5:13 pm

    Come on Paul, get the fag packet out and do the sums Gove can’t begin to understand
    The cost of chargers but more importantly the cost of the electricity and where it’s going to come from. XR don’t want coal gas biomass or nuclear. The cost of heat pumps to replace all gas and oil used for heating and cooking. Heat pumps have an COP efficiency of almost bugger all in winter so a kilowatt in a kilowatt out.
    All in 15 years, they are completely insane.

  14. keith permalink
    February 4, 2020 5:26 pm

    Well they can’t get SMART meters working, and they’ve turned Motorways from being the safest roads to the most dangerous through so called SMART technology, so what hope is there they will get the EV issue successfully working? None, their record in implementing technology is virtually zero. The Government and the Civil Service are so incompetent it beggars belief. All this University education I assume.
    Good article on GWPF website, where it is challenged why OFGEM is getting involved in policy instead of representing the consumer. The Government has now b***** up that organisation. Not a surprise through, they buggered up the BBC years ago.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      February 4, 2020 7:50 pm

      I often think that the (tending to be) left-wing Civil Service is more at fault as they enjoy working against the targets of the government. A classic case is the Universal Benefits System which is now years late and considerably over-budget (or HS2). But government is not allowed to blame the CS. As an example, why does everyone blame government for failings in the NHS yet private health organisations, like BUPA, manage perfectly well without government interference and, if they don’t, people don’t say their cock-ups are the government’s fault.

  15. ThinkingScientist permalink
    February 4, 2020 5:30 pm

    I understand an EV charger point needs a 75 amp connection.

    The fuse board in my house is only 100 amps.

    My wife and I have a car each. That’s two charger points. And presumably when someone visits overnight I will need a guest charger point as well. So that’s 3 x 75 amp = 225 amps additional capacity.

    So I need at least 3x times the power capacity I have now at home. That is not going to come for free.

    And I live in a country village with mains power provided via overhead cables on a spur some 2 miles form the nearest town. If the wind blows and knocks down a tree or large branch, all power goes down.

    Something to look forward to when I retire in a couple of years time I suppose.

    • February 4, 2020 5:33 pm

      Just think how long it is taking to roll out broadband, and that just involves putting a few cables in!

    • Teaef permalink
      February 4, 2020 5:50 pm

      I read 32 amps, but hey ho!

      • Mark Rogers permalink
        February 5, 2020 3:39 pm

        As a business, have been reccomended by Eon to install charging points with a maximum capacity of 22kw but configured to supply 7kw inititially.

        If I have this correct a 7KW supply can be fed from a 32amp socket (UK 220v supply 1PH). A 21kw supply is around 95 amps single phase.

        Each pair of points to cost £5,500.00 and the power is being run from a reasonably convinient distibution board (20 Metres away).

    • Mack permalink
      February 4, 2020 8:06 pm

      Unless the government starts to give EVs away whilst, simultaneously, ripping up the entire country to install new charging points, transmission lines and cabling, together with a huge increase in new build fossil fuelled or nuclear powered energy plants to provide cheap, reliable electricity to run the new toys, and all within 15 years, then it just isnt going to happen. And that’s before any of the metals (precious or otherwise) have been mined and fabricated (via fossil fuels) to create a new national vehicle fleet and infrastructure. And for the UK private vehicle fleet to go fully electric by 2035 the country would have to monopolise (or, indeed, exceed) many of the world’s existing annual EV mined resources. And all at a huge cost to the environment that would dwarf anything that currently gets Sir David Attenborough’s knickers in a twist. So, I would suggest, if you haven’t got one already, going out and buying the most reliable ice powered vehicle you can find within your budget and hanging on to it for dear life. You might find yourself very popular in a few winters time when all of your neighbours EVs become neat little monuments to the insanity, ignorance and hubris of the current crop of virtue signalling politicos.

      • Russ Wood permalink
        February 6, 2020 1:25 pm

        -And people who have to park in the streets are ‘plebs’ and simply don’t deserve to have their own transport!
        /sarc

  16. David permalink
    February 4, 2020 6:04 pm

    Lets face it Boris has been quite busy lately. I suspect that he does have a clue that the whole situation is mad and will at some point discover the truth and do a complete U turn. May be Donald will give him a clue at some point.

  17. john cheshire permalink
    February 4, 2020 6:11 pm

    From my limited understanding of this change by the government, I think the ultimate objective is to significantly reduce the number of vehicles in private use. Haven’t they said they want fewer new cars to be produced regardless of how they are powered?
    My thoughts are:
    1. They will raise petrol and diesel prices to a point where fewer and fewer people can afford to run a car.
    2. Combined with forcing petrol companies to close down petrol stations to make it harder to fill up.
    3. Keep the prices of all new cars high, including electric cars so fewer people can afford to buy one.
    4. Introduce some firms of incentives to make public transport, if not an attractive alternative, then a less unattractive choice.

    Isn’t this a direct result of UN policies; Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030? Hence the timing of the implementation.

    • HotScot permalink
      February 4, 2020 7:54 pm

      I’ll build my own effing Car! And if I’m forced to make it diesel then I’ll run it on cooking Oil from Tesco!

  18. February 4, 2020 6:38 pm

    I would never buy a new car anyway. They lose value as soon as you drive them off the forecourt. My current car is 18 years old. What are they going to do make second hand cars illegal. If they keep tightening MOT emission tests it will become to expensive to keep old cars on the road. But this just means that more cars with no MOT and if you have no MOT you can not have insurance. People will only obey a law if it is possible to do so. Remember the Poll Tax . These announcements of bans on new petrol/diesel and even hybrid are Trial balloons. They put them out to see what the push back is. They may then compromise and allow hybrids.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      February 4, 2020 8:46 pm

      They haven’t tightened the MOT emission test – they have realised that people remove or don’t replace the DPFs so the smoke test is only for those vehicles that have one. Can be confusing if engines are built by different companies in one make’s vehicles. Fords can have a Peugeot or a Ford diesel.

      • Dave Ward permalink
        February 4, 2020 10:06 pm

        I’m pretty sure I read that the MOT will now include checking to see if a DPF has been removed, or even a “Dummy” one installed instead.

      • February 5, 2020 7:52 am

        https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-6410661/MOT-emission-failures-double-tougher-new-test.html
        My car is petrol . It failed its initial exhaust test. Due to a short cycle test. You need to run the engine to full cycle before test . You can buy chemicals to clean your exhaust system before test.
        Making the MOT tests tougher in the future is just one way that they can get second hand cars off the road. I am already paying £280 road tax £150 insurance plus petrol that is heavily taxed.

    • Iain Reid permalink
      February 5, 2020 7:44 am

      bsides2015,

      I don’t have an MOT for my car as it is over forty years old. It is, of course, insured.

  19. bobn permalink
    February 4, 2020 6:40 pm

    Sales of Diesels will go through the roof in 2034. Probably need to by 3 or 4 and switch n store like Quick Dick Mc Dick does. Here’s Quick Dick on farm pickups.

    Being a farmer i’ll be fermenting and distilling my own farm diesel by 2034 so I wont need an ‘electric tractor’! How will we get a 12hr shift out of an electric combine?

  20. Paul weeks permalink
    February 4, 2020 7:00 pm

    I keep saying to my sons they may be better to try and move to America. The yanks like their ICE s nearly as much as their guns and won’t be doing with this mad policy.

    • keith permalink
      February 5, 2020 12:54 pm

      Not if the stupid Democrats get in.

  21. richardw permalink
    February 4, 2020 7:14 pm

    The danger is that, by the trime the govt realises this policy is impractical, the UK car industry will have moved offshore. I wonder if he received this policy suggestion off his Huawei phone or his latest consort?

  22. AZ1971 permalink
    February 4, 2020 7:54 pm

    They’re just going to buy outside the UK and then import their purchases to avoid the “sale”. There’s no way the UK can get rid of petrol, period.

  23. Gerry, England permalink
    February 4, 2020 8:48 pm

    On 16 March the first battery car only street comes into operation provided Saddo is there to do the opening. From the start to the end this will cost nearly £2.5m.

  24. Nigel Sherratt permalink
    February 4, 2020 8:56 pm

    Our most important project now is to find a new girlfriend for Boris. Ideally she should have (at least) a physics A level.

  25. Jackington permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:34 pm

    Put all the identified problems mentioned above to one side, Boris does not understand that whatever he decides to do about the so called emergency will not make a diddlysquat of difference to the global amount of CO2 and he will never “save the planet” but hey the planet is fine according to a lot of scientists so why bother.

  26. BLACK PEARL permalink
    February 4, 2020 9:48 pm

    A pony & trap is the answer
    You can leave a deposit at the toll booth.

  27. February 5, 2020 12:25 am

    Come on Boris – bring it on right now. Why waiting? Ban everything that works, make individual transport unavailable for 80% of the population and see what happens. You were elected in a landslide, you will be ditched so fast that nobody will remember you were even there once. Stop talking and implement this. see what happens then and then tell us if this is still what you want.

  28. saparonia permalink
    February 5, 2020 10:54 am

    I was born in the 1950’s when the bus was the way people got to work (there was industry in those days) When I was about 4 I ran into a fence and cut my head open. My mother got the only person with a car on our street to take me to the hospital for stitches. People used to walk a lot more then and my dad used to grow fruit and veg. I was a teenager in the late 60’s – early 70’s and used to hitch hike all over with my husband to be. The motorbike was much more common then, omg those were days of freedom. The current generation will be totally lost and vulnerable when the shit hits the fan.

  29. February 7, 2020 11:32 pm

    Is Boris a Russian puppet ??
    He’s about killed the British car industry
    I’m a multinational with £2 billion to build a new car factory.
    Am I going to build it in Britain where I know the government is so in with the Greenblob mafia that it changes major policies at a whim ?

    Furthermore I expect in 2035 somewhere in Europe is still going to want petrol/dies/hybrid cars ..so I’ll wanna put my factory where there is a home market
    ..and that is not the UK.

    #Divest#UKnotSafePlaceForBusiness cos#FakeGreens cultists are in charge of policy

    It’s a place where PR BS slogans rule policy
    ..not proper maths ..and costings.

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