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British Gas Installer Recommends Working From Home- Latest Climate Assembly News

April 20, 2020

By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Dave Ward

 

News from the Climate Assembly:

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LONDON, April 19 (Thomson Reuters Foundation) – Working from home and other measures to help stem the spread of the coronavirus outbreak in Britain show how quickly the country could change its ways to address climate change too, participants in the Climate Assembly UK said on Sunday.

“With coronavirus, (the government) has had to act because they had no choice in the matter. With climate change, they need to act in the same way,” said Marc Robson, 46, a British Gas installer and one of the 110 members of the citizens’ assembly.

As with the response to the COVID-19 respiratory disease, “people will die if we don’t do it”, the Newcastle resident warned in a video interview.

“And we all need to buy into this as well. It needs to be explained to the public that if we don’t change what we’re doing, it’s going to cost us, big time.”

The assembly, chosen to reflect Britain’s diverse geographic and demographic makeup, as well as different viewpoints on climate change, has met once a month in Birmingham since January to hear from experts on climate science and policy.

It is expected to submit over the summer its recommendations to the government on how Britain should meet a legally binding goal to cut its climate-heating emissions to net zero by 2050.

But with coronavirus restrictions now in place on public gatherings, the assembly this weekend was held for the first time online – a change some assembly members saw as a “test run” for potential climate-smart shifts they had been discussing.

“This has opened up my mind that we can make these changes, like working at home,” Robson told the Thomson Reuters Foundation.

Sarah Allan, the head of engagement at Involve UK, a charity helping run the assembly, said some members of the group had asked to discuss coronavirus during this weekend’s event and reflect on “how it makes them feel about what they’ve heard”.

Ibrahim Wali, 42, a physician based in Surrey, said he had been conducting COVID-19 assessments via telephone and video-link since the outbreak began and realised “it’s doable”.

“People could stay home more, work remotely. Sometimes in life you just need a challenge to change the way you live and operate,” he said.

What he had learned more generally at the assembly sessions also had led him to install LED lightbulbs at home, look at switching to a hybrid or electric car and reconsider how often he eats meat, which has a large carbon footprint.

“If you can do that on an individual level, that’s where it starts. Then it’s friends, family, society,” he said in a video interview.

Reducing emissions “is not just something for the government to do. I thought in the past the government would sort it all out with laws and legislation. But it makes a huge difference if everyone looks at themselves and makes a change,” he added.

KNOWLEDGE FOR ALL

Ellie, a 21-year-old assembly member and new university graduate from North London, who did not want her surname to be used, said she had started taking part in the gatherings confident “technology will solve all the problems”.

“I’ve been made aware of how actually it’s acceptance there’s going to be a change in our lifestyles and we will have to compromise,” she said. “We can’t rely on tech and someone else doing it for us. It has to be all of us working together”.

The assembly’s meetings had given her a much better understanding not just of the range of options available to deal with global warming, she said, but how they might affect people living very different lives from hers, including in rural areas.

“If we’re going to make genuine progress, there needs to be a real awareness of what the options are, the impact they will have on different groups and what’s actually financially viable,” she said.

The assembly participants said they wished everyone in Britain could have access to the information they had received from experts speaking at the gatherings.

Organisers noted the sessions had been recorded and are available for public access online. here

“There’s a real kind of segregation – between people who know a lot about climate change and people who don’t – and that’s creating problems and tensions,” Ellie said.

"If we can educate everyone to the same level, we can create a real consensus for progress," she added.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/climate-change-britain-politics/uk-citizens-assembly-calls-coronavirus-a-test-run-for-greener-lifestyles-idUKL8N2C70EZ

 

Heaven help us all if this lot are anything to go by!

First we have Marc Robson, a British Gas installer, who seems to think he can work from home. (Mind, when the gas is turned off, he won’t have a job anyway!). Unsurprisingly, with gullibility like that, he has been convinced that “people will die if we don’t do it”.

 

Then we have a Dr Wali, who wants to work by video link in future.

And there’s also 21 year old Ellie, who does not appear to know what she thinks, but says it’s a good idea for everybody to be indoctrinated, just as she has been. Currently she is concerned that those who have been brainwashed are not to keen on the harebrained plans to decimate the economy.

 

Nowhere at all is there any understanding amongst this lot that nothing the UK can do will make the slightest jot of difference to the world’s climate.

50 Comments
  1. Is it just me? permalink
    April 20, 2020 12:35 pm

    This morning I’ve just been on a professional industry telecast (where half the panel didn’t actually know how to mute and unmute themselves for a good portion of the telecast). Technology is fine – up to a point. What is that point? Clearly – left up to the likes of Bill Gates – everything. That ‘point’ is the now the responsibility of everyone with any future to help shape and decide. Addledbrough and his cronies have HAD their lives – and my goodness, what spoiled, provileged lives they have been eh? Global travel – platforms to speak – access to the greatest and finest minds on many topics – all handsomely remunerated out of the public purse we’ve all paid into. But – for lots of youngsters now – confinement, lock down and content via your personal devices.As someone recently said – those babies born after the CoronaVirus crisis will probably be the “zoom generation”. Christ… before such an Orwellian nightmare manifests itself – I think some youngsters need to look at more than one definition of what it means to being ‘woke’?

    • Athelstan. permalink
      April 20, 2020 6:06 pm

      An excellent indeed, a blinding comment.

  2. Ian Magness permalink
    April 20, 2020 12:37 pm

    It’s good to see such a diversity of views from such a randomly selected sample. The same random sampling no doubt came into the compilation of the assembly in the first place.

    • Henning Nielsen permalink
      April 20, 2020 8:55 pm

      Looks more like a rambling than a random assembly.

    • Is it just me? permalink
      April 21, 2020 1:24 pm

      That’s the problem isn’t it? With today’s ability to organise your own ‘Truman Show’ for broadcast, telecast, podcast et al at the drop of a hat – selecting the case members to fit the scenario is deliciously easy. Give it another few years – and the sofa of ‘Big Brother’ will soon be the societal norm. Christ…what a thought? All of a sudden, living off the grid in that commune in the hills suddenly looks infinately more appealing!

  3. GeoffB permalink
    April 20, 2020 12:40 pm

    I have been wondering what ever happened to this insane idea that random people would be invited to advise on UK climate change actions. I endured the first weekend of watching totally biassed alleged experts telling lies. The green loonies who ended up organising this event, presumably with parliamentary funds were having the time of their lives. No one challenged any of the “experts” on the validity of their arguments. I think on my own I could have refuted 90% of the delusional statements that were made on the first weekend’s sessions.
    Words fail me…needless to say I did not watch any of the other sessions.

    • Adam Gallon permalink
      April 20, 2020 1:16 pm

      The people aren’t random, they’re specially selected.
      The experts aren’t challenged, as they produce what the government wants.

    • Mike Cross permalink
      April 20, 2020 4:57 pm

      There is so much wrong with the Citizen’s Assembly that one does not know where to start. The government people responsible for this Initiative must be very deluded I if they think that a collection of uninformed people can be ‘informed’ over the course of a few weekends to have any worthwhile opinion (on a specialised subject) at all. It would be laughable were it not criminally insane.

  4. April 20, 2020 12:40 pm

    “Working from home and other measures to help stem the spread of the coronavirus outbreak in Britain show how quickly the country could change its ways to address climate change too”

    Yes sir. The pandemic has been kind of like a climate change christmas where climate scientists see a renewed and revitalized opportunity to sell climate change. Pls see …

    https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/04/19/corona-sells-climate/

  5. Tim Spence permalink
    April 20, 2020 12:47 pm

    Surely one of the globalist millionaires could donate an island where these people could go to verify the experiment of going carbon neutral would be an agreeable experience.

    • Graeme No.3 permalink
      April 20, 2020 1:18 pm

      Svalbard?

      • Gerry, England permalink
        April 20, 2020 2:02 pm

        That’s a good choice since polar bear numbers are now really low there must be lots of space there. Oh, and they won’t be allowed to take any firearms.

      • Steve Borodin permalink
        April 20, 2020 4:51 pm

        On the contrary, firearms are obligatory in Svalbard. They reduce the chances of being eaten.

      • Henning Nielsen permalink
        April 20, 2020 8:57 pm

        Svalbard? Locals up there call the tourists “bear munchies”.

  6. Douglas Brodie permalink
    April 20, 2020 12:51 pm

    This Citizens Assembly is an utter cop-out by the government. For a start there was probably quite a bit of self-selection in choosing the 110 members so they are almost certainly not a representative cross-section. Like the bulk of the population they will have been bombarded for years by state-sponsored climate change propaganda so most of them would already hold misconceived ideas. Now they have been subjected to an intensive crash course in climate propaganda by establishment “experts”.

    As Paul says “Heaven help us”.

    Marcon has pulled the same stunt in France in the misguided believe that a Citizens Assembly would appease the “gilet jaunes”. However it has backfired on him as his assembly has come up with all sorts of fruitcake ideas which he cannot possibly push through as Paul reported here: https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2020/04/15/macrons-climate-panel-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/.

  7. Mike Cross permalink
    April 20, 2020 12:56 pm

    I’m concerned that the mass of the UK population are going to think that this ‘Citizen’s Assembly’ Is a credible group. This is the total reason that the Greens have set it up. People seem to be so willing to listen to anyone who claims to be an expert on any subject – consider Greta Thunberg, especially if they claim to ‘represent’ us all. Like Sharia Courts they need to be exposed as representing a very narrow interest.

  8. Simon Kelly permalink
    April 20, 2020 1:03 pm

    “British Gas Installer Recommends Working From Home” = comedy gold headline.

    Let’s start a list of similarly amusing headlines, such as:

    “Tree surgeon trying to do work via video conference to reduce his footprint’, or

    “Dentist talks patient through extraction procedure over the phone to help save the planet”

    I’ll stop there but I’m sure others will have far better versions on this theme. 🙂

    • Graeme No.3 permalink
      April 20, 2020 1:22 pm

      There’s a short cartoon going the rounds on the internet with the voice saying to the assembled passengers in the airplane “this is your pilot speaking….I am working from home today”.

      • Peter S permalink
        April 20, 2020 1:28 pm

        Wonder why Ellie does not want her full name used. Surely as the member of a public body we should know who you are.

      • Simon Kelly permalink
        April 20, 2020 1:59 pm

        Love it. I seem to recall from the book ‘Black Box Thinking’ that planes can actually fly themselves these days. The main reason that we still have pilots is that the public feels safer with them despite the fact that they’re not needed. Irrational fear drives irrational mitigation strategies.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        April 20, 2020 2:24 pm

        I was surprised when I found out that airliners could land themselves these days and that being a pilot is a boring job such there are times when ALL of the pilots on long haul flights are asleep! BUT….as with other AI such as the driverless cars, when push comes to shove humans are better so any of those scary high wind landings you see are with a pilot in control or else it would just be a big heap on the runway.

      • angryscotonfragglerock permalink
        April 21, 2020 10:15 am

        AUTOLAND has been around since the ‘60s but there is no AUTOTAKEOFF!

        The image of the AUTOPILOT doing everything is humorous at best – akin to all you keyboard warriors switching on your computer and sitting back waiting for it to do something.

        For every drone, there is an operator in control, even for the landing, and, without his little pink body being in jeopardy if he coc#s it up, I for one, would not step foot in the thing.

    • April 20, 2020 1:25 pm

      Plumbers, refuse collectors, parcel deliveries – endless, really.

  9. Mark Winthrop permalink
    April 20, 2020 1:17 pm

    Great Great fan of yours Paul but I have issues with the way you lay out your newsletters and this is a case in point. You lay out the crazies argument in almost the fullest detail. I read every word but after a few minutes of reading I thought is he now supporting this particular situation? The press are so lazy that I suspect they will not get to your rebuttal hence your excellent domolition of these crazy views will lost.

    Why not start with the simple headline of the latest spurious claim with a short paragraph explaining it. Then demolish it. At the end of your demolition give the link to the spurious piece.

    On Mon, 20 Apr 2020, 12:15 pm NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT, wrote:

    > Paul Homewood posted: “By Paul Homewood h/t Dave Ward News from the > Climate Assembly: LONDON, April 19 (Thomson Reuters Foundation) – Working > from home and other measures to help stem the spread of the coronavirus > outbreak in Britain show how quickly” >

  10. ianprsy permalink
    April 20, 2020 1:21 pm

    What else can be expected, when the most fundamental question, WHY? isn’t being asked, nor experts competent to argue it aren’t invited?

  11. Broadlands permalink
    April 20, 2020 1:32 pm

    “There’s a real kind of segregation – between people who know a lot about climate change and people who don’t – and that’s creating problems and tensions,” Ellie said.

    That is clearly the truth. Ellie and her green friends are clueless! They can’t open their eyes to see what devastation takes place to people and economies when a pandemic lowers CO2 emissions… as she undoubtedly has been recommending… from at home.

    • Simon Kelly permalink
      April 20, 2020 1:54 pm

      Ellie is rather silly

  12. Robert Christopher permalink
    April 20, 2020 2:15 pm

    “Then we have a Dr Wali, who wants to work by video link in future.”

    Come on: what’s his real name?

  13. Cheshire Red permalink
    April 20, 2020 3:12 pm

    I took a look at the government site. It’s a horror show.
    Essentially the decision is already taken, leaving but the propaganda to present to the public via this absurdly rigged process.
    To watch those biased presentations is VERY hard going. Were governed by idiots.

    • April 21, 2020 12:19 am

      but idiots having themselves not only very well renumerated but with lots of extra goodies and awards to show how wonderful they are. Then let’s add their families to this delicious gravy train. In Australia we have various anti-corruption organisations who would have a field day with some of your usual suspects!

  14. MrGrimNasty permalink
    April 20, 2020 3:36 pm

    Brainwashing a captive audience?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52351131

    Dyer doing spelling would be interesting – every word starts with a ‘W’, wes, weally.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/david-attenborough-life-planet-new-documentary-bbc-climate-crisis-coronavirus-a9472946.html

    Dreadful deluded dangerous man.

  15. Mad Mike permalink
    April 20, 2020 4:10 pm

    Here’s the breakdown of assembly members attitudes, age etc

    https://www.climateassembly.uk/detail/recruitment/

    Their figures on attitude to CC seems different to this survey done in 2018, no surprise there, and we are not told when or when their own survey was done nor what questions were asked.

    Click to access bsa35_climate_change.pdf

    I think we can safely say that this assembly and what they were told was designed to obtain a certain outcome. Flattering people with positions of seemingly importance and feeding them with “experts” views and comforting food and accommodation was always going to have them eating out of the organisers’ hands. Goodness help us.

    • Nancy & John Hultquist permalink
      April 20, 2020 4:35 pm

      people with positions of seemingly importance

      Someone (no me) used the analogy of the Euclidian point (a location on an x and y grid).
      Namely, the person has a position but no substance.

  16. Dave Ward permalink
    April 20, 2020 6:04 pm

    @ Gerry, England
    April 20, 2020 2:24 pm

    “Autoland” was first successfully demonstrated in 1964:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoland

    From what I’ve read in pilots forums, modern systems are quite capable of coping with 30kt crosswinds at suitably equipped airfields. Judging by some of those YouTube videos, many current generation pilots have either forgotten, or were never taught, what the rudder is meant for. They wouldn’t last long flying in Alaska during winter, and they most definitely wouldn’t cope with a DC3 “taildragger”…

    • JBW permalink
      April 20, 2020 10:56 pm

      The last time I did an auto land in a B777, the x-wind limit was 15kts. To do an auto land you need 3 things, a serviceable aircraft with certified A/Land, and qualified airfield with serviceable a/land, and a qualified crew. Not always attainable.

      • iain reid permalink
        April 21, 2020 7:41 am

        JBW,

        I would say almost always attainable but not guaranteed, thus pilots need to be at the helm.
        Even then as in the 737 Max with pilots did not avert failure.

      • JBW permalink
        April 21, 2020 9:12 am

        Ian,
        For the most part I agree. Long-haul, with three crew, and each crew member required to maintain recency of landings, means that it is hard to do a practice A/lands, which the aircraft needs for its own recency.
        In a lot of the places I visited, you would be lucky to just have a working NDB, so auto land would be out of the question.

  17. Athelstan. permalink
    April 20, 2020 6:07 pm

    Ibrahim Wali

    he is.

  18. jack broughton permalink
    April 20, 2020 6:45 pm

    Ibrahim Wali is no doubt a devoted follower of the Clown Prince of Wallies and will have used his famous Ladybird book as his source of information.

  19. Gas Geezer permalink
    April 20, 2020 9:38 pm

    Simply put as far as the citizens assemblies are concerned it is a fact that if we in the UK continue to burn fossil fuels, catastrophic climate change will ensue ,that’s it, all further discussion is set within this framework .

  20. April 20, 2020 10:20 pm

    Lots of first person plural pronouns in these prescriptive statements as usual e.g. “people will die if we don’t do it” never ‘people will die if I don’t do it’.
    Marc Robson, the gas installer, even glides smoothly from the ‘my’ to ‘we’ within one sentence: “This has opened up my mind that we can make these changes”.
    Of course none of them has any intention of applying the measures ‘we’ must take to themselves.

  21. April 20, 2020 11:31 pm

    Sure, people can change their habits fairly quickly if they have to. That being said, its one thing to bunker up for a few months, its a totally different one to tell people that this will be their life until the end of your days. And just look what it does to the economy. Try this until the end of the year and see what’s left of your country. People start to freak out now. Only Chinese style repression can stifle this. Do we want that? I dont.

  22. Ariane permalink
    April 21, 2020 8:58 am

    The underlying fascism of the environmentalist Citizens Assembllies means that some people may be instinctively reluctant to both oppose or support them. Fascism is when the State controls everyone. Communism is when people control everything for their own and each others’ benefit. Currently, the UK State controls energy policy and with the coronavirus lockdown, the economy and people’s freedom also. All we need is thuggish gangs on the streets and, hey presto, a UK Fourth Reich.

  23. Vernon E permalink
    April 21, 2020 11:19 am

    This climate change assembly is a pernicious repudiation of democracy. I hope everyone on here who has expressed their view has similarly addressed their concerns to their MP.

    P.S. I have noted that Sir John Houghton, founder of Climate Change, passed away in the last few days, aged 88. RIP. I’m looking forward to the Telegraph obituary. He was a brilliant man – Oxford at 16, professor at 19, Head of the Met Office, first Chairman of the IPCC, lead author of the First Assessment Report,.Nobel Prize winner etc. But how can someone of such genius have been so wrong about something so fundamental? I guess that at his peak the “hockey stick” was all the rage. But how could someone as evangelical as he put his name to something that can only be supported by lies and mis-information? Mystery.

    • Ariane permalink
      April 21, 2020 12:05 pm

      The lure of popularity/celebrity, the fear of speaking out against the prevailing fashion and the money. Always follow the money.

  24. Ariane permalink
    April 21, 2020 12:10 pm

    Vernon E, As for writing to MPs, mine is Joanna Cherry and she was at the start of the idea to have Citizens Assemblies, so no hope there. Their whole point is to skirt around democracy by pretending to be democratic and making such a noise that opposition is drowned out. Your typical quango member and globalist love Citizens Assemblies.

  25. Jonathan Scott permalink
    April 21, 2020 12:40 pm

    “There’s a real kind of segregation – between people who know a lot about climate change and people who don’t – and that’s creating problems and tensions,” Ellie said.

    Sure there is a numerically small number of people mostly physicists who see fundamental scientific flaws in the argument for AGW and then there who spout nonsense about climate in the knowledge that they will not be challenged who see easy money to be made. Obviously she sides because of her soft brain with those who will exploit her!

  26. Peter MacFarlane permalink
    April 21, 2020 12:45 pm

    “…chosen to reflect Britain’s diverse geographic and demographic makeup, as well as different viewpoints on climate change…”

    Note, nothing at all about education, knowledge, experience, or any of that old-fashioned stuff.

    We’re doomed, aren’t we?

  27. C Lynch permalink
    April 21, 2020 12:49 pm

    The lure of celebrity and popularity undoubtedly encourages previously reputable authorities like Sir John Houghton and David Attenborough to endorse CAGW theory as is the opportunity to virtue signal to such a huge appreciative audience.

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