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Oxford Climate Alumni Network

September 18, 2020

By Paul Homewood

 

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https://www.oxfordclimatealumni.com/

 

One of our contributors, Robin Guenier has joined this new group at Oxford University.

If there are any Oxford alumni out there who would be interested in joining Robin to present the sceptical side of the debate, please help out.

25 Comments
  1. Tim Leeney permalink
    September 18, 2020 11:07 am

    For Cambridge alumni, such as me, there is a similar lemming outfit, to which I am about to subscribe so as to get regular updates and put my carrry on carbonising oar in whenever I can:

    https://www.zero.cam.ac.uk/

    • Nigel Sherratt permalink
      September 18, 2020 11:12 am

      Thanks for having the patience, I find it too depressing, all those Nobel prizes and it comes to this nonsense. Heroes to zeroes indeed.

  2. Ariane permalink
    September 18, 2020 11:53 am

    ‘fraid I got in and left in 2nd year. Oxford culture is good for the well-off who don’t need to plough the fields or work a 12-hour shift to put food on the table.

  3. September 18, 2020 12:06 pm

    I suppose I am classed as riff raff or hoipolloi because I received degrees first from Newcastle and later from UCL. I did once visit Oxford…..

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      September 18, 2020 1:34 pm

      pmfb: At least you can use the Jeffery Archer appellation: ‘I went to Oxford’. (grin)

      • Russ Wood permalink
        September 19, 2020 5:17 pm

        Re Oxford: There was a Goon Show story from Spike Milligan: Eccles dressed up in his best suit, and went for an interview at the BBC. The man waiting next to him said
        Man: “I notice you’re wearing a Cambridge tie. You don’t really look the Cambridge type.”
        Eccles: “Nope. No I don’t”
        Man: “Then may I ask you – what did you do in Cambridge?”
        Eccles: “Buying a tie…”

  4. September 18, 2020 12:08 pm

    One of my favorites is Dr. Victor Davis Hanson. I cribbed this from Wikipedia: “Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American classicist, military historian, columnist, and farmer. He has been a commentator on modern and ancient warfare and contemporary politics for National Review, The Washington Times and other media outlets. He is a professor emeritus of Classics at California State University, Fresno, the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow in classics and military history at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, and visiting professor at Hillsdale College. Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007–2008 on the American Battle Monuments Commission.”

    So you can be a classics professor AND a farmer.

    • Ariane permalink
      September 18, 2020 5:02 pm

      What did he use to plough his fields? Many farmers are very very rich; CAP funds from Brussels, stolen land etc. etc.

      • September 19, 2020 12:17 pm

        Victor Davis Hanson farms on the land located in the central San Joaquin Valley of Fresno County, California. He is the fifth generation of his family to work this land since it was first homesteaded by Swedish ancestors in 1871. In one interview about the early days when he and his brothers saved his grandparents farm, it states, on weekdays he would “wake at 5 a.m. to prune his grape vines, then drive 25 miles to Fresno where he taught Greek and Latin to Mexican immigrants and working-class students. In what time remained, he managed to author a slew of weighty tomes on the wars of the ancient Greeks that made his name as one of America’s preeminent military historians.” I believe he also raises almonds. Dr. Hanson has his PhD from Stanford University in California and he did not steal it, etc. etc. You might want to look up his credentials. Later he was on the faculty of Stanford University.

        Not all farms are plowed. Certainly neither grapes nor almonds. I am not aware what equipment is employed in those endeavors. But I am certain that he received no CAP funds from Brussels, stolen land, etc. etc.

      • Ariane permalink
        September 19, 2020 1:58 pm

        Hard working, lucky and very clever man. I’m not denigrating farmers or academia, just concerned that Oxford Uni people have tended to support the nonsense that anthropogenic CO2 causes global warming as do many wealthy people. If academics et al keep their minds open (and go on to repeal climate legislation) then great.

      • September 20, 2020 12:27 pm

        I have one of Victor Davis Hanson’s latest books: “The Case for Trump.” (2019). In Chapter 2: Trumpism, he shows how Donald Trump’s life and business has allowed him to see the real workings of not only the EU, but really around the world. Neither Hanson nor Trump is a fan of the global warming hoax.

        BTW, I am deemed “science denier” as I do not either. I have a PhD in plant ecosystems from The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (an MA in plant taxonomy/ecology from there earlier and my BA in botany from West Virginia University). I have had geology and several paleobotany courses (one of my doctoral committee members is a Devonian paleobotanist). Schools should teach at least one semester of basic geology where you would see how the climate has changed drastically over the millions of years. As one versed in paleobotany, I know that during Miocene, Tennessee was tropical and Oregon was sub-tropical. Good luck with that today. One of the founders of Green Peace turned his back on that group in disgust. Dr. Patrick Moore, who has his PhD in ecology, has given some fascinating speeches in which he shows that we are just getting back towards good levels of CO2 following glaciation which is leading to the greening of the earth. Low CO2 levels likely contributed to the extinction of the megafauna at the end of the Pleistocene. Low CO2 caused herbaceous plants to be stunted or not form seed and thus the herbivores had less and less to eat. That led to the carnivores having fewer herbivores to eat…..

        From what I have observed, Oxford, as with Harvard here, assume their litter boxes to be odor free. It is amazing how the election of Donald J. Trump has brought out the “snooty” is so many. They fall over themselves saying he and his supporters are dumb. His degree is in finance from the Wharton School of Finance within The University of Pennsylvania. “Penn” as it is known IS one of the Ivy League schools along w/ Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Brown, etc. Invanka and Don, Jr. are also graduates of that program. Tiffany is a Penn graduate and just received her law degree from Georgetown. Eric is a Georgetown graduate. One of the most important things that the Trump family has in addition to education is common sense. Without it, education is a waste and leads to unfortunate conclusions.

  5. Robin Guenier permalink
    September 18, 2020 12:30 pm

    Thanks for posting this Paul. One point: it’s not accurate to suggest that I’m a sceptic. If you go to the OxCAN link (https://www.oxfordclimatealumni.com/) and click on ‘NEWS’, you’ll find that – rather to my embarrassment – they’ve featured me on their ‘Spotlight Feature’. You’ll note that it says (accurately) that ‘With no scientific training, he’s agnostic about climate change science.

    I’d be pleased if any Oxford alumni – sceptic, alarmist, lukewarmer, agnostic, interested bystander or whatever – were to join what promises to be a most interesting body.

  6. MrGrimNasty permalink
    September 18, 2020 2:37 pm

    It’s blatantly clear from their online content that it is pointless anyone expressing a contrarian or even a neutral position – it’s a network to promote the cause, not discuss it. Anyway, Oxford is part of ‘The Conversation’ network (yes the organisation than promotes climate alarmism but has banned any comments that don’t agree).

    • Robin Guenier permalink
      September 18, 2020 3:57 pm

      I’m sorry MrGN but you’re completely wrong on both counts:

      OxCAN. I made my views clear from the outset by sending them this recent essay: https://ipccreport.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/the-west-vs-the-rest-2.1.1.pdf Yet they couldn’t have been more welcoming – even (as I indicate above) giving me star billing on their website. Then at the launch event (on Zoom), I was one of only four people (of 169) selected to speak in the plenary session when I was able to question Professor Myles Allen’s views about CCS and suggest his proposals were unlikely to be welcome in China. Unsurprisingly he disagreed – but he did so in a perfectly friendly and polite manner. In the ‘workshop’ session I was able to expand on my views in detail inter alia by cross reference to relevant data. Subsequently they emailed me thanking me for my contribution and suggesting that I might be interested in writing a blogpost for them from time to time.

      The Conversation. I’ll answer you here by referring to my responses to three recent TC articles:

      1. https://theconversation.com/climate-denial-hasnt-gone-away-heres-how-to-spot-arguments-for-delaying-climate-action-141991

      As you see, I had no problem expressing my views (about ‘denial’, Trump, border taxes, per capita emissions …) – views that don’t remotely support climate alarmism.

      2. https://theconversation.com/hydrogen-isnt-the-key-to-britains-green-recovery-heres-why-143059

      This time my focus was on the nonsense of our net-zero target. Again I had no trouble expressing my views. And nor did others who stated other non-alarmist opinions.

      3. https://theconversation.com/extinction-the-facts-attenboroughs-new-documentary-is-surprisingly-radical-146127

      Here I was criticising the recent Attenborough scare. Again – as you see – neither I nor others had any problem in expressing our various views.

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        September 18, 2020 6:22 pm

        It’s clear the OCAN intention is the promotion of the climate change message, not the questioning or discussion of it. To suggest otherwise is ‘denial’.

        If you are discussing the pros and cons of CCS you are already down the rabbit hole.

        The Conversation have also made their editorial position explicitly clear.

        https://www.theaustralian.com.au/science/academic-website-the-conversation-bans-climate-change-sceptics-locks-dissenter-accounts/news-story/0190784f1019fc4ba5d962a0cc562c45

        I did not say they would not tolerate any discussion on any topic, you’ve commented on associated issues, not climate change.

      • Robin Guenier permalink
        September 18, 2020 7:16 pm

        MrGN:

        Not so.

        It seems many of the people actually setting up OxCAN (not the professors) haven’t really realised that there might be another point of view and are intrigued to find that there is. So it’s a potentially valuable foot in the door. Or would you rather run away? As for CCS, I referred Allen to Julian Allwood (Professor of Engineering and the Environment at Cambridge) who – only a few weeks ago in a debate with Allen – described believing in CCS as akin to believing in magic beans. Hardly a matter of pros and cons.

        Yes, the Australian version of TC (it’s become a ridiculous echo chamber) is absurd – best ignored. But elsewhere that’s not true. And, as you would have seen if you’d actually read my linked posts, the first two are about climate change, not ‘associated issues’.

  7. Ian Phillips permalink
    September 18, 2020 6:45 pm

    I have joined the organisation, as I happen to be an Oxford alumnus.

  8. bobn permalink
    September 18, 2020 9:08 pm

    I applaud you Robin for taking up the sword and shield of truth in science and venturing into the realm of dragons. Good luck and watch for the traps. i think we all need to do the same. Join every society we can and be bold and argue the truth. I’m a parish councillor for this reason. I blocked the stupid discussions when our County Council declared a Climate Crisis and asked us to do the same. My challenging presence stopped the nonsense in its tracks. Our County may have a crisis but our Parish does not. Without my being there the sheep would have nodded through the daft proposals.
    We all must stand up and defy the liars and decievers.
    I’d love to join you Robin by my alma mater was in the antipodes. My son graduated from Oxford so can you see if they offer parental rights?! After all – I paid for a degree at Oxford!

    • Robin Guenier permalink
      September 18, 2020 9:19 pm

      Thanks very much bobn. I’ve been plugging away since 2008 with a simple message: that most of the world outside the West simply doesn’t care about AGW and that the sooner we wake up to this the better. At last – and for the first time – I seem to have achieved an initial breakthrough. Yet people like MrGrimNasty (to be fair only MrGN) think I should stop. For a brief moment I was (slightly) demoralised – until you put me back on track. Thanks.

      • Ariane permalink
        September 19, 2020 8:16 am

        Best of luck, Robin! May your efforts enable some Oxford undergrads to become politicians after they graduate, get into Parliament, organise a referendum and eventually get all the climate legislation repealed – because till that happens we remain enslaved to the decarbonisation zealots. However much the issue is discussed and blogged about, zero carbon remains on the statute books.

      • Eoin Mc permalink
        September 19, 2020 9:48 am

        Hi Robin. The gaslighting of Grim McNasty and his peculiar efforts to stem criticism of climate alarmism reminds me of those people who rent small apartments at extortionate levels and who blithely watch occasional property market crashes but fail to use those crashes to get off the rental hampster wheel and get a mortgage. They will always find a reason to not take the plunge. We have a saying here: hurlers on the ditch. Those who are agnostic about climate science – as I was fifteen years ago – or hostile to that science, as I am now after exhaustively and objectively researching it through sites such as this, simply cannot cede any more ground to the eco cultists – even if proves to be a waste of time.

  9. Malcolm Chapman permalink
    September 19, 2020 11:11 am

    Thanks for the tip; I’ll join, and see if I can make some attempt to suggest that there really is a strong and convincing non-alarmist approach to these things. From my recent experience, it seems that most educated people only need to think ‘This is what the IPCC says’, and ‘97% of scientists agree’, and that is as far as they feel they need to travel. Even pointing out the existence of websites such as this, would be revelatory to many. We’ll see.

    • Robin Guenier permalink
      September 19, 2020 4:27 pm

      I’ll look out for you Malcolm. The people I’ve dealt with so far at OxCAN seem to be graduate PhD candidates – intelligent, friendly and (I think) quite sure that we face a ‘climate crisis’ and that urgent action is essential. Their willingness to entertain another point of view (e.g. by suggesting that I might like to write the odd blogpost for their website) stems I suspect from the fact that it hasn’t occurred to them that there might be a point of view that could seriously challenge their certainties. But I might be quite wrong about this. It was perhaps significant that my criticism of Professor Allen at the launch event’s plenary session and my expanding on this in the ‘breakout’ seemed to elicit serious interest – e.g. their ‘thank-you’ email. Perhaps Oxford has not changed since my day (long ago) and students are still expected to have open and enquiring minds. As you say, we’ll see.

  10. Ian Phillips permalink
    September 20, 2020 12:49 pm

    Are we expected to accept Robin G’s view is anything other than a soft-pedalling AGW viewpoint? He doesn’t strike me as agnostic, but as a true believer talking up the climate debate with a big tranch of the names of all the bodies and conferences/reports. He sounds very plausible/convincing….but is this merely the skill of a good barrister?
    Is he actually praising Attenborough…who has just come up again with the most ridiculous prediction re polar bears going extinct? He has omitted to comment on this. I thought the whole polar subject had itself gone extinct many moons ago…but apparently not!
    And to imply, if not directly state, that we could do with less alarmism is to say we could do without the whole underpinning climate warmist argument, based on countless exaggerated predictions of disaster. Is that what he’s saying?
    Is Robin happy to condone the catalogue of exaggerated predictions of disaster by the warmist camp? An exaggeration is an deliberate statement to make data look more threatening that it really is. To exaggerate is basically to tell lies. Where does Robin stand on exaggeration, i.e. organised lying, which has become to very life blood of the warmist cause?
    Robin is trying sound very reasonable….but when I read the links he has supplied, they in no way reflect the position and purpose of my sceptic position and what I see is the position of Paul’s blog.
    Will Robin please stop trying to ride two horses, just be honest and admit he is an alarmist warmist with a fear of CO2.

    • Robin Guenier permalink
      September 20, 2020 1:30 pm

      Will Robin please stop trying to ride two horses, just be honest and admit he is an alarmist warmist with a fear of CO2.

      No – because he’s neither trying to ride two horses nor an alarmist with a fear of CO2.

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