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China has started to ‘walk the walk’ on climate crisis–Guardian

November 16, 2020
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By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Robin Guenier

 

 

Today’s instalment of Guardian misinformation!

 

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Ma Jun experienced a strange role reversal during Donald Trump’s presidency. Over more than two decades as one of China’s top environmental campaigners, American encouragement for Beijing to cut carbon emissions and temper the damage of rapid industrialisation had been part of the background music. Ma never imagined he would see the US renege on environmental commitments while China began to face up to the challenge.

“It’s been frustrating,” says Ma of the past four years as we speak on the phone, the bustle of Beijing audible in the background. “When it comes to environmental collaboration between the governments, it has been hard to do anything.”

Before the US election, the Chinese foreign ministry issued a 12-point excoriation of Washington’s record on the environment, criticising the Trump administration’s decision to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement and failure to protect wildlife – even condemning methane gas leaks from fracking. While the criticisms were likely made in response to a similar State Department factsheet in September, the old dynamic between the two powers on the environment appears to be over.

“China has started changing its course. We have seen a lot more ‘walk the walk’ action. China has adopted some tough measures to try to deal with the pollution and environmental damage problem. And we have seen some progress made because of that,” Ma says.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/13/ma-jun-china-is-beginning-to-walk-the-walk-on-climate-crisis-action-aoe

 

And so it goes on, with a paean of praise for the Chinese government.

In fact, the headline is grossly misleading, because most of the article concerns China’s very real efforts to tackle real pollution caused by smogs and poor water quality, not the imaginary pollution of CO2. Ma Jun offers no evidence whatsoever that China will actually start reducing those emissions any time soon.

And of course it is a bit rich criticising the US, given the state of the environment at home!

 

But what we need to remember here is that Ma Jun is not the brave campaigner painted by the Guardian. He actually heads the Institute of Public and Environmental Affairs (IPE), a non-profit environmental research organization registered and based in Beijing,

But as with Greenpeace China and other such organisations, the IPE has little in the way of real independence, and is very much a tool of the Chinese government. If Ma Jun ever deviated from government diktat, he would quickly be disappeared.

Indeed, as the IPE’s website boasts, its partner organisations include four government bodies:

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http://wwwen.ipe.org.cn/about/partner.html

 

I am quite sure, by the way, that the IPE actually carry out some very useful work on environmental issues, something which the government value highly.

But in this instance, Ma Jun is simply being used as a tool to attack the US, ably assisted by the dupes at the Guardian.

26 Comments
  1. JimW permalink
    November 16, 2020 10:42 am

    No Paul, attack the Trump administration, not US per se. After all when uncle Joe resigns onto Paris and the ‘great reset’ gets going in earnest, he will want to copy the Chinese social credit system.

    • November 16, 2020 11:49 am

      Stay tuned.

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        November 16, 2020 12:07 pm

        Trying to, Joan, as I think there is something brewing. Unfortunately, one of the better sources I’ve been using, Jo Nova, is having problems with her site: the stories appear but the comments don’t, at least, for those on Chrome.

      • November 17, 2020 12:01 pm

        Harry Passfield, be of good cheer. Yes these sites have been shut down by YouTube, but have moved. I follow prayingmedic and X22Report (both at.com now). They cover Sidney Powell. Also Rudi Giuliani at Common Sense. It was indeed a landslide for Trump. The more you learn about the Dominion System from Canada which was developed by Venezuela to do just what they used it to do, the wider the corruption goes. Sidney Powell was on Rush LImbaugh’s show yesterday with Mark Steyn hosting. They are filing in GA, PA (sort of the hub of the situation), MI, WI, NV, AZ and even CA.

      • November 18, 2020 1:50 pm

        “Stay tuned.” – Joan Gibson

        Oh, yes. I’m not touching that dial.

  2. EyeSee permalink
    November 16, 2020 10:45 am

    Remind me again, who was it that, mainly through fracking, reduced CO2 output most in the industrialised world? And gave his nation energy independence? Something we could also do, but it annoys a few people who shout very loud, and of course our new and unelected Prime Minister.

    • Mike Jackson permalink
      November 16, 2020 11:00 am

      … and his bidie-in, of course.

    • November 16, 2020 11:12 am

      Actually mostly of the benefits from fracking happened under Obama. Not that it had anything to do with his policies.

      • Dan permalink
        November 16, 2020 1:28 pm

        Obama era policies were very much pro exploration and exploitation of those resources but with greater restrictions on tail end emissions. That latter were not really much, as flaring was evidently still extensive during the Obama era.

        The flattening of well counts was mainly market driven.

        Still this is beside the pint given that the significan growth started circa 2004 and extended into 2016. the policies enacted in 2094 would certainly have influenced the trajectory of growth.

  3. November 16, 2020 10:47 am

    Thank you for this interesting post insight into guardian-speak.

  4. dave permalink
    November 16, 2020 10:58 am

    People who worry excessively about ‘global warming’ are a species of Hypochondriac. We have hardly noticed the recent huge rise in Hypochondria; and not understood its essential nature as itself a contagion.

    Yet, the ‘Rasmussen Polls’ organization finds that 35% of Biden voters say ‘The Coronavirus” was the most important issue for them, while only 7% of Trump voters say this.
    When studying politics, many years ago, I was not told that a politician must sweep the all-important Hypochondriac Vote! Instead, I was told he must sweep the Common-Sense vote.
    What a change.

    Boris is so hysterical now (advanced hypochondria) that he goes into isolation simply because he met someone who developed Covid-19, even though every doctor in the world would tell Boris that the chances (as a recent sufferer) of him being re-infected, and then in turn infecting someone else, who goes on to die, is one-in-a-billion.

    God knows what nonsense the next two weeks will produce as he tries to push Green as the new cure for ‘Long Covid.’

    • November 16, 2020 11:14 am

      Boris is self isolating because that’s what you’re supposed to do. Imagine the flak he’d get if he didn’t and there you have the real reason he must isolate.

      • dave permalink
        November 16, 2020 12:02 pm

        “…that’s what you’re supposed to do.”

        Not once you have passed from the pool of susceptibles to the pool of immunes.

        No longer a shedder of virus, you should go about your everyday business; even if you still have a sick person in your household. If Boris, or anybody in his immediate circle, IS worried, why not just take swab-tests for a few days? Naturally, a certain amount of hygiene is always sensible, to prevent inadvertent transmission by fomites. Although there is virtually no direct evidence that people are infected in this way.

        A dose of a viral illness is bound to be far more effective than any vaccine, as it activates all the parts of the immune memory system, not just the serum immuno-globulin producers.

        The Government by endorsing a knee-jerk reaction by Boris are in effect signaling that vaccines are pointless!

        Have we forgotten there was a PLAN to give people certificates that they have had the illness, and that THEREFORE the Police should not question their behaviour further?

        Of course, very few people do understand any of this. Virtue-signaling is indeed rife, and so I agree that this is part of that ‘real reason’ he must isolate.

      • November 16, 2020 12:31 pm

        But the regulations don’t say that = they say you must self isolate regardless. Just imagine the media reaction if Boris was to be seen flouting the rules

      • dave permalink
        November 16, 2020 2:00 pm

        For what it is worth, this is what the Centre for Disease Control in the USA says:

        “Anyone who has had close contact with someone with Covid-19 should stay home for 14 days after their last exposure to that person.

        However anyone who has had close contact with someone with Covid-19 and satisfies the following criteria does NOT need to stay home.

        Has Covid-19 illness within the last three months and

        Has recovered and

        Remains without Covid-19 symptoms…”

        First, ‘staying at home’ is much less harsh than ‘self-isolating.’ It just means “No stranger deserves to be exposed to a possible asymptomatic carrier, against their own instinct of self-preservation.”

        Second, one might say that it IS more than three months since Johnson had Covid-19, but the three months is, clearly, completely arbitrary – just as the two meter rule was. If it is truly the case that after three months a recovered person has no protection, then we are done for – it will be Groundhog Day for ever; vaccines will not work; and, incidentally, there would be no point, at all, in ANY public health measures and regulations.

        Luckily, Covid-19 IS just like any other air-borne virus and it is already weakening, in every way. As a senior doctor at Bradford Hospital said, only a few days ago, “The death-rate for the Covids in hospital now is only one-quarter of the death-rate six months ago.”

      • Gerry, England permalink
        November 17, 2020 10:28 am

        Fomite transmission is NOT a feature of covid so the handwashing mantra is not necessary. This comes from the government’s plan to counter a flu epidemic and it is being continued just to be seen to be doing something and avoid admitting that the only plan the government has is for the wrong disease. There is also news that what could be the most definitive study on the wearing of face masks is being blocked from publication. I think we can safely assume that the result is that they have no benefit to the population at large.

      • November 17, 2020 11:53 am

        Funny how every other govt in the world seems to have made the same mistakes then!

  5. November 16, 2020 11:06 am

    I am truly fascinated why those on the left, the soon to be extinct(I hope) Guardian and the ever so impartial BB☭, far from being reluctant to criticise China spout nothing but abject obsequiousness in the face of Chinas imperialism and sham climate action which is nothing but window dressing while they go on with business as usual.
    Is this simply down to China being on the left so therefore the cretinous leftie journos think are above criticism of any kind?

    As a major and increasing emitter of the claimed demon CO2 molecule surely IF CO2 really is a problem as the Grauniand and the BB☭ claim, why then are they so soft on China, indeed why do the rest of the Western Governments behave as if the Chinese major CO2 contribution is magically not a problem but our miniscule one is?

    One would almost think a conspiracy is being enacted deliberately and with malice of forethought to destroy Western economies with the obvious winner being China.

  6. A C Osborn permalink
    November 16, 2020 11:20 am

    Normal greenie hypocracy in action. Nothing new.

  7. Peter permalink
    November 16, 2020 1:49 pm

    Given the concern about the green bandwagon expressed here in recent days, you may be interested in the news roundup over at WUWT.

    It is argued that the “saturated bands” work, coupled with the modest temperature increases measured by Christy and Spencer and the inability to find the hot spot predicted by the models, shows that the models are out of date. In other words, if GHG warming ever did exist, it has now stopped. I personally agree with Pat Frank who claims that the models are useless but to say that they are now out of date may be a better argument.

    It avoids denier accusations and provides a get out for faithful believers because it is not concerned with previous warming, only what is happening now and in the future. I like it and feel that this could be an approach we could work with.

  8. Broadlands permalink
    November 16, 2020 2:02 pm

    It seems to have escaped attention that China has been renovating its coal-fired plants with new and more efficient less polluting facilities, and opening new coal mines to feed them. The US and the UK have been doing the opposite by eliminating the energy backups that will be needed when the Sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow. As noted elsewhere, exhaust pollution is a different situation from CO2 “pollution”.

  9. Chilli permalink
    November 16, 2020 2:03 pm

    I don’t think the Guardian need any duping to attack the US – at least not until Sleepy Joe takes over.

    • dave permalink
      November 16, 2020 5:37 pm

      “…Sleepy Joe…”

      Rasmussen Polls report of responses of “Likely American Voters ,” as asked Nov. 5-9, show that 48% claim to have voted for Biden, and 44% for Trump, and 6% for others; AND THE SAME POLL shows 53% of them saying that they PRESENTLY APPROVE of President Trump as President.

      I think this is what you call “Buyer’s Remorse!”

  10. markl permalink
    November 16, 2020 6:57 pm

    China will do/say anything to get good press then continue on with their plan as usual behind the scenes. Anyone that doesn’t realize that by now is naive.

  11. November 16, 2020 6:58 pm

    8pm Channel4 Green agenda again
    “Staying online could be costing us the earth.”

    Every time you interact online, it could be damaging the environment. From Zoom meetings, to social posts, #Dispatches reveals your online carbon footprint and asks if big tech companies are as green as they say.

    • November 18, 2020 1:56 pm

      I think you just killed off some of the weeds in my back yard with that comment. Thanks Keep up the great work. :-/

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