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Denmark Importing A Third Of Its Power Today

December 29, 2020
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By Paul Homewood

 

 

h/t Charles Turner

This is a summary of the Danish electricity grid today:

 

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https://en.energinet.dk/

 

In short, Denmark is heavily reliant on imported power from Norway (hydro) and Sweden (hydro/nuclear). Netting off the power exported to Germany, Denmark is still sourcing about a third of its electricity from abroad.

Denmark is of course one of the leading lights when it comes to wind power, but even they cannot make the wind blow all the time!

25 Comments
  1. cajwbroomhill permalink
    December 29, 2020 3:28 pm

    Good to send these data to the Scottish Government (A courtesy title but really a Scottish Executive) who have claimed to have become world leaders in wind power, though that would depend on availability of hot air, a bit lacking in the UK (including Scotland) today!

    It could just also concentrate the minds of the UK Gov. But do not hold your breath.

  2. December 29, 2020 3:49 pm

    This is why Denmark has the highest priced electricity in Europe (I recall). It pays its neighbours to take its surplus wind-generated electricity way when the wind blows too much and then it imports very expensive hydro and nuclear electricity from its neighbours when the wind doesn’t blow. Madness, being copied by Boris.

    • Duker permalink
      December 29, 2020 8:19 pm

      Why would they pay to send off surplus wind power ? In my country I often see the wind farms with say half the turbines braked and not moving while the rest generate , which means they have some ability to scale up generation as its required. There would be some reserve capacity needed with any large scale generation but doesnt make sense to let them run at maximum possible capacity all the ( intermittent) time the wind is blowing. Do they have take or pay supply contracts or some financial arrangement ?

      • December 29, 2020 10:00 pm

        Wind farms would be totally uneconomic if they could not sell all of their output at full price.

        If wind farms “brake” as you suggest, they miss out on the generous subsidies they would otherwise receive, so it makes sense to sell at a loss, as the subsidy still covers all of their cost.

        You really must get up to speed with European renewable subsidy systems, Duker

      • Duker permalink
        December 29, 2020 11:02 pm

        Yes. I thought it must be something about the pricing. Its crazier than I thought.
        Luckily here the non wind renewable gives us 75% of yearly demand and only 5% from wind with no ‘special prices’- but extra taxes on the fossil fuel end.

  3. December 29, 2020 4:55 pm

    The Global Warming tele-evangelical network’s expansion onto ITV continues
    yesterday afternoon at 4:05pm
    As we head towards 2021, the ITV Weather team wanted to bring you a second episode of their Climate Crisis
    : Our Changing World series, to end this year with some hope.
    A lot has happened since the launch of our first episode back in October.
    A new US president, the Covid vaccine, and a 10 point strategy from our government to tackle climate change to name a few.

    The graph’s look like they’re done by Al Gore
    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-29/climate-crisis-our-changing-world-episode-2-hope-for-the-future.

    • December 29, 2020 4:56 pm

      9pm on January 1 : Dancing on Thin Ice
      Entire text of ITV “news” story, which of course just a promo for the TV show
      Torvill and Dean’s quest to find nature’s glacial beauty spots shows them the effect of climate change
      After 45 years dancing on ice rinks, Jayne Torvill and Christopher Dean have fulfilled a life-long dream – by skating together in the great outdoors.
      Surprisingly, the Olympic gold medallists have only ever been confined to artificial rinks.
      But as part of a documentary ‘Dancing on Thin Ice with Torvill & Dean’, the duo were able to skate out in the beautiful surroundings of Alaska – where they learned first-hand the effects of climate change is having on areas of natural beauty.
      As the world warms up, wild glaciers are melting away.

      Torvill said: “I’ve always dreamed of being out in nature, skating outside and this was the most perfect opportunity to achieve that, whilst also seeing the reality of climate change with our own eyes.”
      Dean added: “To discover how quickly the ice is disappearing is truly devastating. We hope it will be a reminder not to take our precious planet for granted.”

      their tweet CCBGB big time

      • December 29, 2020 5:17 pm

        Doesn’t flying to Alaska cause…gasp…’emissions’?
        – – –
        Re Denmark: selling wind turbines is big business for the Danes. Anyone who thinks its electricity is expensive should check its alcohol prices.

    • December 29, 2020 5:11 pm

      Oh it was not yesterday it’s today and it Featured Leo Hkma
      And despite ITV putting out 5 tweets to promote it
      CCBGB no XR types turned up with Likes.

  4. Joe Public permalink
    December 29, 2020 5:14 pm

    It’ll be small comfort to Danish consumers that German electricity consumers have overtaken them in now paying the highest prices in Europe.

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Electricity_price_statistics

    • Adam Gallon permalink
      December 30, 2020 10:19 am

      Nice data to hammer the “Wind’s Cheap brigade.
      Anybody done an update of the price v market penetration of unreliables recently?

  5. yonason permalink
    December 29, 2020 5:56 pm

    Danmark: Borte med blæsten.

    Ahh, the “miracle” of “renewable energy.”

  6. Mad Mike permalink
    December 29, 2020 6:01 pm

    When all the countries in Europe have gone over to wind and solar where are we to import our electricity from?

    • Nancy & John Hultquist permalink
      December 29, 2020 6:50 pm

      Careful Mike.
      If one asks embarrassing questions of authorities, one can become “disappeared”, so to speak.

  7. It doesn't add up... permalink
    December 29, 2020 6:09 pm

    Storm Bella meant we were exporting to France and Belgium while paying them 60£/MWh to relieve us of surplus power because it was cheaper than the next tranche of wind constraint payments would have been. Wind constraint payments were almost certainly substantial, though the data on payments is awaited. Actual wind production shows clear signs of being curtailed against much higher forecasts.

    Then to add insult to injury, yesterday evening when the wind died had the grid scrambling for extra supply, with the system price soaring to £850/MWh at the peak.

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      December 30, 2020 9:34 pm

      It looks like the constraint payments over Christmas totalled about £4 million, with the total for the year now over £274m for 3.7TWh.

  8. December 29, 2020 8:03 pm

    I wonder what will happen when everyone wants to import a third of their power?

    Especially when companies like BMW start selling all those electric cars they intend to build.

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      December 29, 2020 8:36 pm

      Or everyone wants to export oodles of excess power like Scottish wind do currently, effectively ripping off the rest of the UK. When Boris installs his ranks of windmills for England, Scotland will have nowhere to send it.

    • Duker permalink
      December 29, 2020 8:37 pm

      Yes. Recharging their cars at home , with the heat pumps running and the factories producing hydrogen overnight from ‘low price’ off peak electrolysis for aviation and heavy industry.
      None of it adds up.
      In Australia the peak electricity demand changed from winter to summer when low instal cost reverse cycle a/c was introduced but the time of demand is still evening when the sun goes down

      • yonason permalink
        December 29, 2020 8:47 pm

        “None of it adds up.” – Duker

        Of course it does. You’re just not doing the math correctly. //:(

  9. jack broughton permalink
    December 29, 2020 8:46 pm

    The papers today were full of wonder about the 50.1 % wind generation one day. They, naturally, did not mention the price of the power just the “greenness”: green in the true sense of green!

    Who is controlling the “reporters” so that they lie so blatantly?

    • Mike G permalink
      December 29, 2020 11:59 pm

      Yeah Jack,I read that on the Guardian website.And no,they said nothing about the price,suprise!

  10. MrGrimNasty permalink
    December 29, 2020 8:50 pm

    Remember the recent prediction for the end of snow and ‘ice days’.

    Never mind several dollops of snow countrywide, some places have already had ice days this winter, yes Highlands etc., but also Benson, High Wycombe etc. have come close.

    http://www.met.reading.ac.uk/~brugge/CURR.html

    December is typically the warmest winter month, and Arctic maritime air (N/NW) isn’t even the coldest direction you would normally associate with ‘ice days’ in southern England, and this is in supposedly one of the warmest UK years in almost 400 years.

    It shows natural seasonal variation completely swamps any possible global warming and the Met Office etc. don’t have a clue, their predictions are just headline grabbing junk science.

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