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Gummer Lands Householders With £304bn Bill

January 25, 2021

By Paul Homewood

 

 

It’s only taken the Daily Mail two months to catch up!

 

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Owners of energy inefficient homes may find themselves the proprietors of unsellable and unlettable properties just over seven years from now.

The Climate Change Committee, which is advising the UK government on how to achieve its net zero carbon emissions target by 2050, has recommended that all homes should have an Energy Performance Certificate rating of C from 2028.

The CCC says that improving the energy efficiency of UK homes, responsible for about 15 per cent of UK greenhouse gas emission, is key to enabling the government to achieve its target.

UK homes are responsible for about 15 per cent of UK greenhouse gas emissions.

EPC is a rating scheme which bands properties between A and G, with an A rating being the most efficient and G being the least efficient.

There are currently about 29 million homes in the UK, of which 19 million have an EPC lower than C according to the CCC’s figures.

In order to improve a property’s EPC rating, an owner will need to make improvements to make it more energy efficient.

Ensuring adequate loft, underfloor or cavity wall insulation, upgrading to double or triple glazed windows, draught proofing and hot water tank insulation are just some examples of improvements that can boost an EPC rating.

The CCC are proposing all UK homes reach an EPC of band C in order to help the government meet its net zero carbon target by 2050.

‘We welcome the report and share the ambition for net zero by 2050,’ said Rob Wall, head of policy at the National Housing Federation.

‘Buildings are the second largest source of greenhouse gas emissions in the UK.’

‘We need to decarbonise our homes, and how they are heated, if we are successfully to tackle climate change.’

What does it mean for homeowners?

The CCC proposes that all homes for sale must attain an EPC rating of C from 2028 onwards.

Currently, only 29.1 per cent of owner occupier properties meet the required rating, so widespread changes will be required.

The last gas boiler should be sold in 2033, with the majority of homes needing to be heated by electric powered heat pumps drawing warmth from the ground. The CCC estimates 415,000 installations per year will be required by 2025 so as to hit a target of 5.5 million heat pumps in homes by 2030.

The report states 700,000 lofts will need to be insulated per year by 2025 – there were only 27,000 lofts insulated in the past year. The committee wants 200,000 cavity wall insulations each year by 2025, when only 41,000 cavity walls were insulated in the past 12 months.

It also recommends solid wall insulation measures to increase to 250,000 a year by 2025, when just 11,000 such works were carried out in the past year alone.

This all comes at a considerable cost for a homeowner.

Estimated costs of some improvements proposed by the CCC which could boost an EPC rating

Estimated costs of some improvements proposed by the CCC which could boost an EPC rating

According to the Green energy supplier, GreenMatch UK the installation cost for an air source heat pump ranges between £8,000 and £18,000.

A ground source heat pump will be even dearer ranging between £20,000 to £40,000 per installation.

Solid wall insulation is around £100 per square meter according to the tradesman matching site, myBuilder, meaning that for a terraced house it could cost around £7,000 while for a larger detached property it could amount to more than £20,000.

‘There is a considerable quantity of pre-1950’s housing stock in the UK which, in the main, lack thermal efficiency,’ said James Perris a chartered surveyor for De Villiers Surveyors.

Perris warns that many homeowners will need to switch to electric or hydrogen heating systems, install double glazing and loft insulation, use solar panels and if possible, operate heat management systems to get a C rating.

Although the CCC does not specifically estimate the costs for the UK’s housing stock achieving an EPC of C, Savills estimate this to be in the order of £304 billion across just England and Wales.

The CCC has set out ambitious targets, which some experts believe is unrealistic without considerable government subsidies.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/article-9080199/Is-property-market-facing-ticking-time-bomb.html 

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There is one bit of news though, that final paragraph about a cost of £304bn. This is confirmed by Savills here. Assuming that this will need to be spent by the mid 2030s, we are looking at £20 billion a year.

Or put another way, it is stated that only 29.1% of houses meet EPC-C currently, meaning there are about 19 million homes that don’t meet it. The average cost to them will be £16,000. These costs are far higher than the £70 to 80bn implied by the Committee on Climate Change.

And, it must be stressed, they don’t include the cost of installing heat pumps.

Meanwhile, the man who is urging all of this impoverishment on the British people, lives in a huge mansion in Suffolk, which probably uses as much energy as our street.

 

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John Gummer’s mansion in Suffolk

90 Comments
  1. GeoffB permalink
    January 25, 2021 4:58 pm

    At least the Daily Mail is ahead of The Guardian!!!!

  2. DaveH permalink
    January 25, 2021 5:08 pm

    Will listed buildings be exempt from these costly regulations? If so it will be interesting to know if Gummer’s mansion is listed.

    • January 25, 2021 5:37 pm

      Yes, it is listed

      • mjr permalink
        January 25, 2021 7:41 pm

        if it wasnt it would soon get listed – just coincidence of course.

  3. Emma Richey permalink
    January 25, 2021 5:15 pm

    Gummer and his family have profited enormously from various renewable energy projects. Basically we are all funding his lifestyle.

    • January 25, 2021 9:44 pm

      And that has been a very long time so he should by now be a millionaire now, off the theft from the poor . We were ripped off by gummer and his group of thieves.

  4. StephenP permalink
    January 25, 2021 5:19 pm

    A few questions:
    How well do heat pumps work in the weather conditions we are enjoying at present?
    Where is the pool of skilled labour to install the heat pumps?
    Can the required number of heat pumps be made in the time scale?
    What about listed buildings?

    OK, hot water cylinder lagging and loft insulation are an easier and economical way to save energy.
    Draft proofing can be relatively cheap, but if too efficient can lead to damp conditions if the air flow is too restricted.

    Injected wall insulation has been known to cause damp ingress by bridging the gap between the inner and outer wall skins.
    Interior wall insulation means reducing the size of your rooms.
    Exterior insulation has a bit of a bad reputation at present.

    Are we going to be able to supply enough electricity to run all the heat pumps, as well as for cooking and water heating?

    Where is the money going to come from to do all the work needed?

    It looks as if householders will have to forget foreign holidays, eating out and buying new clothes etc, as they will be spending any spare cash on the conversions.

    • Mad Mike permalink
      January 25, 2021 5:50 pm

      My plumber has a heat pump, costing £6K, sitting in his garden. He installed it in a customer’s home but it was only there for 3 months before it was thrown out. The customer has an app that tells her when and how much electricity is being used. She found that when the heat pump was being used her electricity consumption shot up so she weighed that up against the heat she was getting and decided enough was enough. Another customer accepts that the warmth from his heat pump is just enough to provide background heat and doesn’t mind sitting around in jumpers.

      • Devoncamel permalink
        January 25, 2021 8:17 pm

        MM,
        A heat pump came with my new build house and we are off the gas grid.
        It works very well and my energy bills are similar to my previous, similar sized new build house, which had a gas boiler. Heat pumps are a viable CHOICE, depending on your circumstances. The ill-thought policy is forcing zero choice upon us and we are right to question it.

      • Tym fern permalink
        January 26, 2021 11:50 am

        They are fine for new, well insulated homes.

  5. JimW permalink
    January 25, 2021 5:20 pm

    Solid Wall insulation will in reality cost far more than this , everything has to be adapted. Of course the damage to homes through ensuing damp etc will be immeasurable.
    And it bites in 2015 for private landlords, who have meet criteria for all new rentals from that date onwards.
    Quite mad and impossible.

    • Vernon E permalink
      January 26, 2021 10:28 am

      It goes further than that. The Building Regs prohibit the installation of cavity insulation if there are not two clear courses of bricks showing below the DPC. On older properties there mainly aren’t. The contractors take this seriously and REFUSE to insulate – personal experience.

  6. Robin Guenier permalink
    January 25, 2021 5:25 pm

    I live in a detached house built in the mid-19th C. Unless substantial and very expensive (far more than £16,000) work was carried out, it would certainly score less than grade C in an energy performance certificate and would therefore – if the CCC recommendation were accepted by Government – be banned from being sold from 2028. This may only be a proposal but it seems likely to affect the housing market now: why would anyone be interested in buying a house today (except at a hugely discounted price) if there was any possibility that it could not be sold in just a few years time?

    I’ve written to my MP about this, urging him to ask the Government to make it clear that it will not implement this extraordinarily damaging proposal. He’s replied promising to ‘write to ministerial colleagues in the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government passing on a copy of your correspondence and seek clarification from them on this matter.‘ I’ve heard nothing yet.

    Here incidentally is an extract from Deben’s Forward to the Sixth Carbon Budget:

    … progress will be impossible if it is not just. Fairness in the transition to Net Zero is an essential constituent for its success. In aggregate, the costs are low – but that must not hide the need to distribute the costs and the benefits fairly.

    Hmm … I wonder how that might be implemented?

    • January 25, 2021 6:26 pm

      Ahh, yes, “…the need to distribute the costs and the benefits fairly.”

      The old ‘the pain must be distributed equally’ ploy.

      • January 25, 2021 6:27 pm

        Oh, I almost forgot, there are no benefits.

      • January 26, 2021 12:32 pm

        The benefits accrue to “commercial” companies whose products would not be viable but for the Net Zero policies.

        Remember former Energy and Climate Minister Chris Huhne who in 2011 was quoted as saying that defying a climate deal was like appeasing Hitler? After being jailed for perverting the course of justice, he started work for a wood pellet firm.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 26, 2021 10:12 am

      It’s odd, Robin, that a listed building with the carbon footprint of a small housing estate can be exempt from certification but other buildings cannot. Surely, home-owners should be allowed the freedom of choice.

  7. It doesn't add up... permalink
    January 25, 2021 5:47 pm

    Of course it would be money down the drain. Net zero will require much higher levels of insulation than a Band C EPC. So rip out the old insulation, and start again…. That is why I would rather we focus on the estimate from Prof Mike Kelly of a £2trillion bill for the housing stock just for insulation.

    We already heard that just built homes under 4 years old are going to require £20,000 remedial measures to bring them up to the planned newbuild standards. SO that puts a floor under the costs for older homes. Implying that we can get away with £10,000 per home is just nonsense.

  8. Paul Weeks permalink
    January 25, 2021 5:47 pm

    When we see the politicians selling their Victorian BTL s’ we know this is a serious policy.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 26, 2021 10:14 am

      They won’t sell. Just watch their expenses go up as we pay for their refurbs.

  9. 2hmp permalink
    January 25, 2021 5:59 pm

    The man just doesn’t think although he probably had no input himself save a signature at the bottom. I’d like to see us insulating our house – timber framed and built in 1412 with not a single cavity wall let alone a straight one. . The idiots in the CCC are running true to form, When asked what insulation we had to the roof space – I replied 18 inches. He asked why we had so much as it wasn’t necessary.. i asked if he had ever heard of a thatched roof. He said he didn’t know it was that thick. I refrained from giving the obvious reply.

    • Mike Jackson permalink
      January 25, 2021 7:12 pm

      If by “the man” you mean Deben, he absolutely does know. He just doesn’t give a sh1t. I suggest you have a look to see exactly which pies he has his greasy fingers in. If he had to earn a living or live on a state pension plus (or not) a little bit of private pension he and his cronies on the CCC would be less blasé than they are.

      What I want to know is where is the pushback against this? If this fiasco is allowed to continue much longer we are going to see increased poverty on a horrendous scale and deaths from cold and probably starvation as well. The people cannot afford the sort of silly money that this is going to cost in a futile attempt to solve a non-problem. It really is time someone called out this idiot and his allies (a fair number of whom are funded by Grantham, incidentally) on this supposedly independent (but far from knowledgeable or objective) advisory body.

  10. George Lawson permalink
    January 25, 2021 6:04 pm

    Lord Deben seems to live in a different world to the rest of us. How do his outrageously stupid ideas get listened to by the government? What on earth did he ever do in life to earn himself a peerage, and how does he manage to keep his job as boss of the Climate Change Committee when he and his cohorts come out with such outlandish Ideas. Perhaps we could invite him to comment through these columns as there must be something we simple folk are missing. Oh how we miss Margaret Thatcher, who would never have aloud the CCC to up with such stupidity – a quality which one seems necessary in order to gain recognition by the government these days.

  11. Gamecock permalink
    January 25, 2021 6:05 pm

    ‘is key to enabling the government to achieve its target’

    Oh, yeah, I remember now. You Brits are subjects, not citizens. You exist to serve the government. Not the other way around.

    • January 25, 2021 6:32 pm

      You’re a bit out of date. The status of UK Citizen was established in 1949.

      • mikewaite permalink
        January 25, 2021 7:43 pm

        I am afraid that you are out of date terry . We reverted to subject, effectively serf,. status in March 2020. We no longer have elections, there is no parliament, or there seems to be none, and we are told what to do every day at 5 pm by a 4 man group of sociopaths aided and abetted by a media that has been bought by govt money (our money) and that of Bill and Melinda Gates.
        Given that we will have to pay nearly a trillion pounds to pay for the lockdown and lost businesses, the climate change committee appear to be living in a different universe.

  12. January 25, 2021 6:23 pm

    None of that will matter when the ChiComs switch off your lights.
    https://unherd.com/2021/01/how-china-could-turn-off-britains-lights/

  13. January 25, 2021 6:30 pm

    One despairs at the stupidity of the people who have wheedled their way into government posts and exercise influence on our affairs.

  14. January 25, 2021 6:37 pm

    Personally, I just can’t see any of this balderdash is going to happen. When the general public eventually get to realise what is involved (especially those who have lost work and their businesses due to Covid) I think there will be an almighty backlash. It wouldn’t surprise me if it actually came to a revolution.

    • Alan Keith permalink
      January 26, 2021 9:27 am

      I think you have the answer in a nutshell. What I am unable to understand is why so many supposedly educated and intelligent politicians can assume that millions of ordinary working families living in comfortable, well-maintained homes build before 2000 or so will accept the need to upgrade at costs they cannot afford. To meet the required standard they will have to
      find temporary accommodation for several months while their home is gutted, destroying all decor and period features to enable wall and floor insulation to be fitted, then rewired, with new plumbing and heating, fittings decor and carpets etc. I would suggest costs in excess of £60k would be a minimum. It’s not going to happen!

      • Mark Sullivan permalink
        January 26, 2021 12:53 pm

        The WEF have a policy goal that by 2030 you will own nothing – everything will be rented. On that basis, I am starting to believe that where the houseowner cannot afford to do the repairs, and cannot therefore sell the house, the government will buy it at a knockdown price and rent it back to the owner. They will then control the housing stock, and who is allowed to live there. Another nail in the freedom coffin.

    • Russ Wood permalink
      January 30, 2021 12:10 pm

      On revolution – the UK has a beeeeg problem compared to the USA. In the UK, all of the legal guns belong to the Government side. Now, if we could convince all the gangsters that the Greenies want to ban all drugs….

  15. Tonyb permalink
    January 25, 2021 6:38 pm

    the ground source heat pumps need a lot of garden . Most Brits live in tiny older houses with small gardens which will be impossible to retrofit. Most new houses with reasonable insulation have even smaller gardens which makes it impossible to fit these devices.

    This hasn’t been thought through especially as ground source heat pumps become less effective as winter progresses as they draw the warm air out of the soil

    • Beagle permalink
      January 26, 2021 9:43 am

      The pipework in GSHP is buried at least one metre below ground level where the temperature doesn’t vary very much (approx.10 deg C +/- 2 deg.). The problem of course in winter is the pump has to work so much harder. My son has a GSHP and we have stayed there in all seasons but it still achieves the required temp of 22 or 23. ASHP though are not very good in cold weather from what I have read.
      Of course the heat is generated by the refrigerant compressor. I’ve read a few explanations online and they offer very vague descriptions as if they don’t know how they work. One company said that the Glycol water in the ground water pipes is compressed, well good luck with that.

  16. Nancy & John Hultquist permalink
    January 25, 2021 6:47 pm

    “, with the majority of homes needing to be heated by electric powered heat pumps drawing warmth from the ground. ”

    “majority” ??? Buy shares of excavator companies. That’s a lot of digging.

  17. Cyan permalink
    January 25, 2021 6:59 pm

    “It also recommends solid wall insulation measures to increase to 250,000 a year by 2025, when just 11,000 such works were carried out in the past year alone.”

    Perhaps that is because homeowners have read:

    Click to access Solid_wall_heat_losses_and_the_potential_for_energy_saving_route-map.pdf

    The section titled “Unintended consequences” is a sobering read.

    Always one to look on the bright side, at least when the council comes to sell my house to pay my care home fees, they’ll be well stuffed!

    • StephenP permalink
      January 26, 2021 8:09 am

      I have just read the BRE study on solid wall installation and agree with Cyan that it is a sobering read and should be compulsory reading for the CCC.
      Most of the recommendations to cover the drawbacks involve more research and proper training which will take time and money.
      Also the workmanship will need serious supervision otherwise we will see the type of problems that have recently occurred with large housebiuilders who seem to have put too much pressure on sub-contractors to complete work faster.
      Internal condensation also seems to be a major problem the remedy for which either involves a heat exchanger ventilation system, or leaving a window open which negates the whole process.

      • Lez permalink
        January 26, 2021 9:49 am

        Yes, I would urge you all to have a look at the study. Particularly the unintended consequences (pages 7-9).
        With the health issues identified, the move to a care home may come a lot sooner than we might have anticipated.

    • January 26, 2021 12:47 pm

      Thanks Cyan.

      Table 1 – “Summary list of 19 common unintended consequences of installing SWI” – there are more in the first appendix. It makes for shocking reading.

      I’m happy with my draughty old house, ta.

      Aside: some time ago I searched for building standards for current windows. Nowhere could I find a statement on window sizes in new build. Anecdotally it looks to me as though window sizes hit a max in the 70s and have declined slowly since. New houses seem to have ever smaller windows. Does anyone know the formal reason for this? I know there are insulation standards, but unsure whether the total area of windows is limited.

      The BRE study reminded me of this when it mentioned that screwing blocks of insulation onto a house has the effect of reducing the amount of light that gets in.

  18. Paul Weeks permalink
    January 25, 2021 7:02 pm

    The supply of Air Source Heat Pumps needs to increase. The builder next door couldn’t even get two identical replacements for two he had stolen!
    Apparently the manufacturer had run out of parts.

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 25, 2021 8:22 pm

      Interesting. There is a chronic problem here in South Carolina of copper thieves destroying air conditioners at rural churches, or other unattended buildings. They will do $10,000 worth of damage to get $50 worth of copper.

      It’s a common sight on my motorcycle rides to go by churches with their air conditioning compressors on STILTS, 12 feet in the air, to make them difficult to break open.

      A friend makes A/C cages, welding up rebar to place around the units on the ground.

      UK may be going back to the future.

    • 2hmp permalink
      January 26, 2021 9:10 am

      I have an air source heat pump – and guess what – it uses electricity, and at the the most expensive time of day. it is so costly to run that I switch it off whenever possible.

  19. Ajax Ornis permalink
    January 25, 2021 7:36 pm

    Just wonder if any of your. Readers could hazard a gues as to who will soon be heavily invested in the insulating and heat pump sector. None other than J Selwyn Bummer, I suggest.

  20. Robert Jones permalink
    January 25, 2021 7:38 pm

    It will all end in tears if the CCC isn’t hamstrung as a matter of national urgency!

  21. bobn permalink
    January 25, 2021 8:29 pm

    On a less than cheery note. Make sure you keep a good stock of firewood in. The UK will now revert to our normal winter westerly weather which will last 10 days, but then starting around Sat 6 Feb we get a nasty cold northerly/ nor-east cold blast. Too early to say if it will persist but starting to look quite beastly. Should see snow over whole UK starting that weekend and continuing for a week plus…….get your supplies in and hunker down.

  22. Penda100 permalink
    January 25, 2021 8:47 pm

    Pity the Mail didn’t tell its readers what effect this vast expenditure will have on the climate/ temperatures in 2100.

  23. Lorde Late permalink
    January 25, 2021 9:01 pm

    I would love to add more to this but you have all hit the nail on the head of all this madness.
    So thanks for thought provocking comments!
    How do we spread the logic as when I attempt to put to people the pointlessness of it all I am met with in the main,disinterest.
    Oo, got to go the soap opera is just starting🤔.

    • January 26, 2021 12:26 pm

      I hope that people will begin to pay more attention as the Net Zero policies begin to bite them.

  24. January 25, 2021 9:04 pm

    But according to the CCC and the Met Office we shall all be enjoying the climate of the South of France, so why insulate buildings????

  25. January 25, 2021 10:00 pm

    I have just sent an email to the Climate Change Committee – there is a contact form on their website – stating our anger at, and impossibility of householders being able to afford, such idiotic proposals. I would encourage all readers here to do the same, and to encourage friends to do likewise.
    It takes only a couple of minutes, and if enough of us co it, they may start to listen. And at least we will have tried.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 26, 2021 10:29 am

      LPF: I got so annoyed by all this crap from the CCC I dropped a line or two to the DT. I doubt they will publish it but it made me feel better:

      Sir,

      If it’s not enough that the Covid pandemic is going too beggar this country’s finances for the next 20 years, it hardly bears thinking about that the Government’s infatuation with ‘Carbon Neutrality’ will end up putting the last nail in the coffin.

      In this case, the coffin will be needed to carry the corpse of our Democracy – to be buried in the debt forced on our people..

      There is a sinister drive within Government to allow a huge democratic deficit too grow within our country. Instead of Governments and Ministers taking decisions for which we can, eventually, hold them accountable at the ballot box, Government likes to bend the knee to unelectable committees (not even Quangos) and implements their fairy-tale ideas.

      The most damaging committee in the country has to be the Climate Change Committee run by Lord Deben. This committee has been in existence for many years and seems impervious to change of government or Prime Minister: it just keeps on rolling out its diktats. At the moment their bete-noir is energy efficiency in the UK’s homes. They want to throw away perfectly good gas central heating boilers, reduce the size of homes by adding more insulation and suffer the owners to spend thousands upon thousands of pounds on ridiculous schemes to use things like air-source heat pumps or hydrogen boilers. (Now, there’s a thing: throw away perfectly good gas boilers because burning gas causes ‘Global Warming’ but burn the gas to create hydrogen for the replacement boilers which, apparently doesn’t!)

      If the government hopes to recover from the pandemic mega-slump that is seriously going to challenge this country over the next 20 years, the very last thing they want to do double down on it by impoverishing home-owners even further with stupid plans to change the weather while at the same time making it impossible for them to sell their homes when they don’t conform to the correct energy rating.

      The CCC should be disbanded – with prejudice.

      Yours,

      • Emma Richey permalink
        January 26, 2021 1:27 pm

        Really good letter, it deserves to be published.

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        January 26, 2021 2:45 pm

        Thank you, Emma.

    • George Lawson permalink
      January 26, 2021 11:53 am

      What an excellent idea. It would be good if we can get thousands of emails on to their desk on the silly subjects they come out with. It might just, only might, reduce the increasing numbers of idiotic ideas they come up with.

  26. Coeur de Lion permalink
    January 25, 2021 10:22 pm

    And the Nissan Leaf costs thirty grand and depreciates at £5000 a year. I hope Red Wall voters can afford that. Of course they can

    • Lorde Late permalink
      January 27, 2021 6:32 pm

      I might buy one then when its 5-6 years old.
      Oh no, that won’t work because the battery will be.. I cant think of the word🤔.

  27. 4 Eyes permalink
    January 25, 2021 10:43 pm

    ‘We need to decarbonise our homes, and how they are heated, if we are successfully to tackle climate change.’

    The indoctrination is complete. He asserts with all the authority of a Professor of atmospheric physics. So, the parroting head of policy at the National Housing Federation is now an expert on climate and CO2? When all and sundry make bold assertions like this they should be challenged immediately to back it up, when they can’t, tell them to eff off and stick to what they know. The mass indoctrination is downright scary.

    • January 26, 2021 8:29 am

      Still waiting for evidence that CO2 can and does cause large increases in water vapour. Otherwise greenhouse gas theory is definitely an empty box.

      • Chaswarnertoo permalink
        January 26, 2021 8:42 am

        The warmists appear insane.

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 26, 2021 2:49 pm

      ‘We need to decarbonise our homes, and how they are heated, if we are successfully to tackle climate change.’ – head of policy at the National Housing Federation

      NHF will soon be releasing plans for how to build a neolithic home. How to make an arch with stacked stones is exciting. How to dry dung and burn it for heat and cooking are fundamental. Save the plans for fuel.

  28. sonofametman permalink
    January 25, 2021 10:55 pm

    We bought our house some time ago. It’s a late Victorian red sandstone terraced house, of modest but elegant proportions. I wrote to the Scottish government to ask about what I’d have to do make it reach an EPC rating of ‘C’, as we are about to do some renovations, and it would be best to do it all at the same time. It’s already double glazed (despite being in a conservation area), with loft insulation, and I plan to put in a new heating system with proper electronic thermostats in every room, so what else could I do ? There isn’t enough south-facing roof for any form of solar collector, external insulation is a no-go, and once you account for the windows (big bays) and doors there isn’t much exterior wall you could insulate from the inside, and it’s all lath and plaster anway. Under-floor insulation would seem to be about the only option. Advice came there none. I was told just to pay for an energy survey to get the rating. Another triumph of policy over practicality, with no thought for the costs imposed on ordinary folk.

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 27, 2021 3:14 am

      EPC rating of ‘C’ is this week’s standard. Government reserves the right to set it at ‘B’ any time they feel like it.

      Liberty: Freedom from arbitrary or despotic government.

      ‘C’ is absolutely arbitrary.

  29. Nancy & John Hultquist permalink
    January 26, 2021 5:13 am

    Off topic, but note the California mountains will be getting buried in snow over the next 3 days. Cliff Mass weather blog has maps.

  30. martinbrumby permalink
    January 26, 2021 5:49 am

    So 70% of current housing needs a huge investment to bring it up to Grade C.
    And how long would it be before they ‘improved’ Grade C?

    And what impact on our ‘Carbon Budget’ would that actually have, once you consider all the energy requirements of carrying out the work and manufacturing the equipment etc? Do they care? I assure you this has very little to do with ‘Carbon’, or ‘Climate’ anyway, as Edenhoffer, Fjigueres and even going back to Maurice Strong, all have admitted.

    As for foreign holidays, restaurant meals etc, what has happened to them in the last 12 months?

    You seem to imagine that maybe Gummer and his merry team haven’t thought this through. Well, I suggest that all the problems outlined here (and by Mike Kelly) aren’t just the usual ineptitude and bumbledom. They aren’t just bugs, they are deliberate features.

    What does the Great Reset demand? How do we ‘Build Back Better’?

    Don’t forget:- “We won’t own anything, but we’ll be happy!”

    Welcome, fellow proles, to the New Normal!

    Princess Nut Nut, Neil Ferguson, Bob Ward, and all our beloved elite will be absolutely fine, I assure you. Chairman Xi will continue to laugh himself to sleep.

    Just get it into your heads. The rest of us are all kulaks now!

    • dave permalink
      January 26, 2021 9:44 am

      It is becoming reminiscent of Hitler purring over Speer’s room-sized model of a new Berlin, while RAF bombers were droning over the old Berlin.

  31. Coeur de Lion permalink
    January 26, 2021 9:19 am

    There hasn’t been enough discussion as to WHY. Are there figures to show how much insulation saves fuel? I mean real figures? What percentage of UKs total consumption if Gummer’s plan is implemented? What percentage of global CO2? What effect on 2100 global temperature?
    This is a huge Red Wall vote loser. Let’s tell Red Wallers that they have to replace their £3000 jalopy with a thirty grand Nissan Leaf depreciating at £5000 a year.

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 26, 2021 8:45 pm

      Elites are in a competition to see who can come up with the biggest wildass plan. They are looking for creds with other elites. It’s a fun game. For them.

  32. Harry Passfield permalink
    January 26, 2021 10:04 am

    “Buildings are the second largest source of greenhouse gas emissions in the UK.”
    I’d lay odds that Rob Wall couldn’t tell us what the saving on Global GHG emissions would be if ALL UK housing stock had an energy rating of C or better – or the effect that would have on global temps. He smells money.

  33. Phoenix44 permalink
    January 26, 2021 10:24 am

    And that cost entirely excludes opportunity cost. We will have to massively increase the numbers putting in insulation and installing heat pumps, so we will have fewer people doing the stuff we actually want and value. And those people will have to be paid what they can earn doing other work so the costs will rise significantly. The CCC ignores basic economics in its calculations, probably deliberately, in order to persuade our stupid politicians it is “affordable”. It is a fraud and a deception.

  34. ThinkingScientist permalink
    January 26, 2021 10:51 am

    Our replacement tumble dryer is an air source heat pump technology. Its f*!^ing useless. Can’t even dry a sheet and 4 pillow cases in less than 4 hours.

    • January 26, 2021 10:43 pm

      please tell me that was a joke “tumble dryer is an air source heat pump technology”

      what were you thinking thingking!!!

  35. Coeur de Lion permalink
    January 26, 2021 11:05 am

    OT, Paul, but there’s a horrific piece about trillions of tons of ice melt in The Times this morning – hope you can deal with it?

  36. Tym fern permalink
    January 26, 2021 11:47 am

    Let’s see, 15% of 1%? But then we would not save all 15%, so even less! For all that cash!

  37. David permalink
    January 26, 2021 12:33 pm

    These heat ratings are thought up with reference to the climate in Scandinavia or Canada. In the south of the UK I doubt whether we have more than thirty days a year where insulation has much effect. Living in a 9″ brick house I only notice the cold if it goes much below 3 C.
    Also a good proportion of the population are out at work all day leaving an empty house and also in bed for around 7 hours when no heating is usually needed. These are the real facts that relate to energy use.

    • Russ Wood permalink
      January 30, 2021 12:19 pm

      As an apprentice I was put up in a 19th century house, in the winter of 61-62. The only heating was the Aga in the kitchen, whilst I was in the attic bedroom. Trying to sleep in a room temperature of about zero (C) wrapped in a cocoon of every blanket I could scrounge – weren’t funny. I don’t think any insulation regulations could have cured those moseabl;e weeks!

      • Russ Wood permalink
        January 30, 2021 12:20 pm

        “MISERABLE”! Curse this arthritis!

  38. Ian Miller permalink
    January 26, 2021 2:51 pm

    We left the European union to “Make our own Laws” which in the democracy we voted for means that WE are the ones to vote IN or OUT our MP’s
    Its up to US to get on with it and tell our MP’s what laws to implement and not the other way round. i.e. Not for them to tell us what they want us to do.
    We need to grab our one and only golden opportunity for a change and not to lie down and be shafted !!!!
    Dictatorship is not popular in Britain.

  39. Peter Maxwell permalink
    January 26, 2021 3:31 pm

    I presume Prince Charles is up for this malarkey, and has budgeted accordingly for all his homes, and will happily pay out of his own pocket.

  40. B Davies permalink
    January 26, 2021 6:01 pm

    Brilliant article on the unbelievable stupidity of the Government in going down this insane path to impoverishment of the people.

  41. Lorde Late permalink
    January 26, 2021 7:24 pm

    Hello everyone
    After being in business most of my life 3 years ago I found my self not in business.I now class myself as semi retired but have still needed some work.from my experience of the last couple of years (ended by having a stroke) it seemed to me that a large number of people n the uk are having to get by on (or around) the minimum wage which to my mind leave zero surplus to enjoy life with. I did apply for one job with the dept of transport with a fair degree of responsiblity and was offered a salary less than I was on in the eary 90’s. sorry about the preamble but my point is how are people going to afford all these upgrades?

  42. Nicholas permalink
    January 26, 2021 9:01 pm

    If this is MC Gummer’s place, the why does he of all people have a whapping big shinny steel chimney flu?

    Surely he must heat his baronial mansion with fossil fuel, or more likely particle polluting wood.

  43. Stuart Brown permalink
    January 26, 2021 9:09 pm

    My Lorde, cancer, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, 2 operations and more chemotherapy did it for me. You have my sympathy. I realised I could no longer do my job and took early terms, which with savings and a pension roughly equalling the (full time) minimum wage keeps me and Mrs B comfy.

    I couldn’t live the life I do (or did before WuFlu) on the pension/ minimum wage alone and certainly couldn’t afford a heat pump, an EV, eviscerating the house to add insulation, redecorating etc. Anyone with only the minimum wage, and likely needing to add the travel costs to get to work certainly can’t.

    As a sort of relevant aside I downsized from a 100 year old house with some solid walls to a 10 year old house that meets (or met at the time) EPC C apparently. The old house just scraped into EPC E because I could show that every bulb was a twirly CFL. The new house is way more draughty, has no thermal mass at all and costs nearly as much to heat. The EPC system is rubbish.

    • Lorde Late permalink
      January 26, 2021 11:56 pm

      Thank you for you kind words. Yes in my opinion,the EPC is pointless, my experience of it is as most things are nowadays is that it is just box ticking carried out by people who only are able to follow a script and as your say things like low energy bulbs gain a plus point. After I fitted my entire rambling old house with them (we had loads of gu10 halogen spots) I could not detect any saving whatsoever.The thing that made most difference for me was fitting draught excluders. I would not be able to heat my house had we not got an inexhaustable supply of free firewood which minimizes the use of the oil heating.I am firmly of the opinion that we are all heading for hard times.To finish, my step daughter lives in an 8 year old house built of SIP panels with a brick skin up the outside, as you point out with your house it has no thermal mass and unless she keeps the heating on all the time it quicky gets very cold. It has had numerous damp issues and when I got up in the loft to look i could not believe how badly the loft insulation had been installed! I spent a whole weekend refitting it. It also had huge amounts of condensation under the vapour barrier which I finished up having to cut in order to clear it. If this is typical of house build quality then I think we will have a lot more problems in the future.

  44. Edward Spalton permalink
    January 26, 2021 11:03 pm

    I received a phone call this morning ( 26 Jan) from a purported official who claimed to have authority concerning the insulation of my home. He demanded much information and told me that one of his team would come to make an assessment. He was so vey pushy and authoritarian that I said no thank you and put the phone down. So I think he was probably one of Lord Deben’s storm troopers.

    • Lorde Late permalink
      January 26, 2021 11:58 pm

      There will be plenty of opportunities for scammers with all these upgrades!

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