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Where Is Zwally’s New Study?

January 31, 2021
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By Paul Homewood

 

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https://www.thegwpf.com/antarctica-ice-stable-not-losing-ice-nasa-researcher-finds/

 

You might recall Jay Zwally’s inconvenient study published in 2015, showing that the Antarctic ice sheet was actually growing.

Zwally has since continued this research, and was confident in 2018 that his new updated study would confirm this.

Curiously though this new study is still awaiting publication.

Knowing the shenanigans uncovered in Climategate revolving around suppression of any papers which did not agree with the consensus, has Zwally’s new study also been censored?

31 Comments
  1. January 31, 2021 10:59 am

    Could that be the same Jay Zwally who said in way back in 2007,
    “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.”

    • Gerry, England permalink
      January 31, 2021 11:18 am

      There is no correlation between the two poles – I have often read that their changes are asymmetric. So you would expect growth in the Antarctic and shrinkage in the Arctic which to some extent we have been seeing. Given that he is presumably still a NASA employee it could be that they are preventing him from publishing as they funded his research time.

    • Broadlands permalink
      January 31, 2021 1:17 pm

      Yes, and Zwally said this in 2008: “Within five to less than 10 years the Arctic could be free of sea ice in the summer. It also means that climate warming is also coming larger and faster than models are predicting”

      His colleague Dr. Mark Serreze said “We could very well be in that quick slide downward in terms of passing a tipping point”.

      Apparently these models are not very good?

      • Ben Vorlich permalink
        January 31, 2021 5:25 pm

        Was Zwally the researcher quoted by Al Gore in December 2007 when accepting his Nobel Prize?

  2. It doesn't add up... permalink
    January 31, 2021 12:03 pm

    South Georgia is a similar latitude South that Belfast is North. Imagine icebergs in the Lough or floating over to the Isle of Man.

    https://go.nasa.gov/39AdkWS

    Actually this one wouldn’t even fit in the Lough. It’s still hanging around in the second half of summer, albeit the main portion is finally breaking up. The long finger skirted to the North some while ago having broken off at Christmas time. Those on a laptop or desktop may find it interesting to set up an animation from December 11th to date. Otherwise you have to use the arrows.

  3. Ian Cunningham permalink
    January 31, 2021 12:39 pm

    There was a Times article on ice loss from Antarctica this week based on a paper published in Cryosphere. I noticed a sentence in the Journal arcticle viz. “We restrict this calculation to ice shelves at the Antarctic Peninsula, where a record of progressive retreat has been well established.” Does that mean they just ignored the rest of Antarctica?

    • Adam Gallon permalink
      January 31, 2021 4:40 pm

      Yes. The Antarctic peninsular, has a largely marine climate, it’s tip is around 68 degrees South.

  4. Nick permalink
    January 31, 2021 1:10 pm

    Who diznay luv a Zwally. Slainte.

  5. George Lawson permalink
    January 31, 2021 1:24 pm

    Can’t we ask him where it is?

    • Duker permalink
      February 1, 2021 12:23 am

      Doesnt seem to be any new research papers listed on his nasa bio since his inconvenient 2015 study ?
      Chief Cryospheric Scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center
      https://science.gsfc.nasa.gov/sed/bio/h.j.zwally
      Oldbrew seems to have dig deeper

      At least hes a real scientist for his role as a Chief. The NOAA had a lawyer/master mariner
      Craig McLean for their recent ‘acting’ agency Chief Scientist.

  6. January 31, 2021 1:51 pm

    Zwally had a hand in these 2020 papers:

    Forty-year Simulations of Firn Processes over the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Sheets
    https://tc.copernicus.org/preprints/tc-2020-266/

    Pervasive ice sheet mass loss reflects competing ocean and atmosphere processes
    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6496/1239.abstract

  7. Terry Breverton permalink
    January 31, 2021 2:27 pm

    Lenin bust that stayed out in the cold
    Henry Cookson visited the Lenin bust, erected by scientists in 1958, in 2006
    Matthew Lyons
    Saturday January 30 2021, 12.01am, The Times
    At the most inaccessible part of one of the world’s most inhospitable regions, stands a chimney. Perched on the chimney is a bust of Lenin, with a steely gaze that has been fixed towards Moscow for the best part of 60 years.

    Its location on a frozen, featureless landscape of the South Pole, means this remnant of the revolution has escaped the tearing down of statues in the post-Soviet world. The weather, however, is about to have its own say.

    Once held aloft on top of the 30ft chimney, rising snow levels have left it only a few feet above the surface and, the podcast 99% Invisible says, it will be only a matter of months before it starts to disappear.

    The article gores on to say that it will completely vanish, the last two feet in two years… I will not pay to access the whole article online but I can send a copy

  8. Terry Breverton permalink
    January 31, 2021 2:38 pm

    this is an earlier article upon the snow deepth, from 2017 – this is NOT fake news –
    https://www.amusingplanet.com/2017/12/the-southern-pole-of-inaccessibility.html
    So those of us who live near the sea are not all going to drown…

    • bobn permalink
      January 31, 2021 6:58 pm

      good article. Shows the snow has built up approx 30ft at South Pole over last 60yrs. So 6 inches per yr. Confirms what the satellites have shown – that the mass of Antarctica is growing!

      • Duker permalink
        February 1, 2021 12:28 am

        Same with Greenland interior ice sheets, the US had various military equipment from the 1960s which gets buried
        then there is this
        “World War II Planes Found in Greenland In Ice 260 Feet Deep”- that was in 1988

        Yet the fringes of the ice cap and various glaciers get the attention

      • Ed Bo permalink
        February 1, 2021 7:11 pm

        Don’t make the mistake of concluding that because snow continues to fall and “bury” things on the surface, that the size and mass of the glaciers are necessarily increasing.

        The net change in height is much smaller than the new accumulation as the glaciers deform and flow slowly to lower altitudes, and could be of either sign.

        Asserting that new snowfall automatically means that the glaciers are growing is just as wrongheaded as assuming that the calving of glaciers into the ocean is proof that they are shrinking.

      • February 1, 2021 10:11 pm

        It’s actually more subtle than that Ed

        As the Arctic or Antarctic warm, you would expect more precipitation there, ie snow.

  9. It doesn't add up... permalink
    January 31, 2021 3:52 pm

    I’ve lost count now many times we have had an insufficient electricity margin. Despite the start of IFA2 here we go again.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ng_eso/status/1355897773065981956

  10. It doesn't add up... permalink
    January 31, 2021 4:15 pm

    Promises, promises!

    China threatens to ‘do nothing’ on climate change if US continues genocide accusations

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6227739267001

  11. Adam Gallon permalink
    January 31, 2021 4:51 pm

    Yes, Zwally’s 2015 paper, was definitely “An inconvenient truth”.

  12. 4 Eyes permalink
    January 31, 2021 7:17 pm

    Someone here must know Swally or know someone who knows Swally. Ash him / them.

  13. Gerry, England permalink
    January 31, 2021 7:39 pm

    There is a post on GWPF linking to a NASA piece on Antarctic ice increasing. The piece ends with this hilarious comment after going on about how neither pole is following what their models predict:

    “Partial explanations have been offered, but we don’t have the complete picture,” said Ted Scambos, a scientist at NSIDC DAAC. “This may just be a case of ‘we don’t know yet.’”

    But I though the science was settled…..we know everything they keep saying.

  14. Andrew Williams permalink
    January 31, 2021 8:38 pm

    Watching perfect planet. Unbelievable. Dissolving shells.

    • Stuart Brown permalink
      January 31, 2021 9:52 pm

      Brave man!

      Radio times:
      “Earth has been through at least 5 mass extinction events, most of which have been caused by volcanic eruptions.It’s not the lava or ash that wiped out life, but carbon dioxide. This episode looks at how the gas is destabilising the planet, through encounters with orphaned elephants….endangered sharks… imperilled species… blah blah. The whole series is available on iPlayer.”

      If you can stomach it. My WAG is that the cold and lack of sunlight after spectacular volcanic eruptions might have had more to do with extinctions than CO2, but what do I know? Willing to be educated, but not by this stuff. Orphaned elephants – really?

      • Duker permalink
        February 1, 2021 1:01 am

        https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/11/201110133152.htm
        Doesnt seem to show either there was high levels of CO2 are they caused the extinctions and they only looked at 2 sites.
        ‘ However, detailed correlations of magmatic pulses with extinction events in the terrestrial and marine realms are not fully resolved’

        Not fully resolved means – its anyones guess to what it means
        Was really research into volcanic rocks with a PR blurb that isnt part of the paper

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      February 1, 2021 11:25 am

      I managed to stay until he claimed CO2 was like a blanket round the Earth…..It was me or the TV…

  15. MrGrimNasty permalink
    February 1, 2021 11:35 am

    The Met. Office says that the CET mean for Jan 2021 was 3.1C, that’s joint 149th coldest of 363 years, an anomaly of about -0.6C cf 1961-1990, so on the cool side.

    That is 3.3C colder than January 2020 (joint 14th warmest) and shows yet again how ludicrous it is to claim nature is threatened in the UK by any supposed climate change when it has always had to cope with such magnitudes of natural year on year variability.

  16. Carbon500 permalink
    February 1, 2021 3:18 pm

    Beneath your feet at the South pole lie over 3000 metres (about 9800 feet) of ice, 4000 metres (13,123 feet) in parts, which rests not on the sea but on land. Antarctica is a frozen continent larger than Europe, larger even than the United States and Mexico combined. A massive icecap covers 98 percent of that land, swallowing a continent higher than any on Earth. The length of the polar winter night increases with latitude until at the pole itself, the sun sets just once a year. For a while after it disappears, the setting sun provides aglow above the horizon, and then leaves the polar world in complete darkness for half the year
    The warmth the polar regions absorb in the summer is far less than the heat they lose in the winter. Only in November and December, the very height of the Antarctic summer, does the South pole actually gain heat. The Antarctic is much colder than the Arctic. The average winter temperature in the Antarctic is minus 60 degrees Celsius. Even on a good summer’s day it’s minus 30 degrees Celsius, colder than the coldest winter’s night at the North Pole. Antarctica is the highest continent on Earth, three times higher than any other.
    There are larger waves, stronger winds, and more powerful currents in the Southern Ocean than anywhere else on the globe. Icebergs are a real threat to shipping. At times they show up on the radar screen as hundreds on tiny white dots, which in reality could be an iceberg which could easily sink the largest vessel. It is absolutely essential to keep a lookout posted around the clock, and many captains prefer to avoid travelling at night whenever there are lots of icebergs about. On land, cold air from the high continental plateau rushes down the gradient to the sea causing katabatic winds. These can reach over 300 kilometres an hour and add terrifying windchill to the already freezing conditions.
    If you sail around Antarctica, you will see mainly white ice. Sometimes it towers over you as mighty ice shelves. Elsewhere great glaciers tumble into the ocean, calving off icebergs which make navigation very dangerous.
    The above was written by Alistair Fothergill in his book ‘Life in the Freezer’, published in 1993 before the current climate change hysteria..

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