Northern Powerhomes Want £143bn of Your Money!
By Paul Homewood
h/t Patsy Lacey
The left wing IPPR published its Northern Powerhomes report last November, which unwittingly exposed the crippling cost of decarbonising homes:
There is huge potential for economic stimulus provided by a programme of housing decarbonisation in the north of England. Not only are warmer, healthier homes with lower emissions crucial to our journey to a net zero carbon future, but they could also form a key element in the government’s efforts to ‘level up’ the North’s economy in a time of pandemic.
Direct emissions from housing need to be reduced by 24 per cent by 2030 to meet the UK’s Paris Agreement commitments, and further impetus is required to meet the legally binding net zero 2050 target, let alone the 2030-2040 targets of many of the North’s local authorities. But sufficient progress is not being made and a fresh drive is needed to decarbonise housing.
Many people in the North have been left behind with regional inequalities set to worsen in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic. Poor housing (the worst in Europe) combined with low incomes and rising unemployment have left many people with a bleak future. A new ambitious programme of decarbonising the North’s housing, starting with social housing providers, could help restart the recovery and provide a much needed plan for a specific economic intervention that contributes to the government’s much-discussed agenda of ‘levelling up’.
https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/northern-powerhomes
This is the report:
Just take closer look at this section:
£143 billion over ten years! Over the 5.7 million homes quoted, this amounts to £25000 per home. Even if there were any energy cost savings, which there won’t, they would be tiny in comparison.
Scaled up the the national level, the cost would rise to £677 billion.
The report naturally boasts about creating 77000 jobs, but these would come at the incredible cost of £1.8 million each!
It also claims a GVA (Gross Value Added) of £3.8 billion, but this is fantasy economics, which does not account for the fact that the money has to be taken from elsewhere.
Truly the economics of the mad house!
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
No price is too high in the mind of the renewable obsessives. The end justifies everything but will impoverish millions.
I recall a relative thinking of ‘investing’ in solar panels and I remarked you would never see a return. Madhouse economics.
Well, we got a very good return
we ‘invested’ in solar panels in 2012 & they have been fantastic !
For producing cash …
not so good for producing power; but we don’t care
as we get paid £0.57/kWh for something worth £0.035/kWh, it’s a no brainer.
But as you say – “Madhouse economics.”
Remember, we are all paying for your f cking panels, its a levy on all our bills, some poor single mother in Clapham is freezing as she cannot afford 50p for her pay meter, Robbing the poor to pay the rich. Many of my (ex) friends bragged about how much they are making,
geoffb, I’m glad you are angry about it, so am I, which is why I publicize it as often as possible.
These are policy’s put in by corrupt politicians left, right & center (that we as a country keep voting in) who have shafted us at every turn.
Paul has highlighted many of our glorious leaders who have their noses in the ‘green trough’ to the tune of millions yet they still get away with daylight
robbery.
Don’t set me off
My neighbour had panels installed on his ESE-facing roof (!). I asked him why he didn’t just push an extension lead through my letter-box and connect to my meter. When he asked why I was pleased to tell him that I was subsidising his power and panels – such that it was.
Community housing up the road from us had panels put on NORTH facing roof. They are doing really well!
The economics are those of CO2 obsessives who think that a kg of CO2 is almost priceless.
An interesting side effect of this proposal is that if 5.7 m houses use Electric heating at a COP of about 1.5 in winter (possibly less actually), the demand is about 10 kW per house. Of course electricity will be almost free by then and the wind will blow all winter.
Jolly good job we’ve got all these unicorns standing by to power the grid.
10kW is really big motor, it really has to be 3 phase, at 240 volts single phase its 42 Amps add that to your 7kW car charger, another 28 Amps. People do not understand that the electricity system at local level cannot provide 100 Amps per household at all times, it works on diversity factor assumes that very few are running large loads for any length of time. we take more or less random decisions to shower, roast a chicken, boil a kettle etc. etc. all short term, I have not picked up the cost of rewiring everyone’s house to the 3 phase 415V system used in factories in the IPCC document, its over 400 pages so i will try and take a look.
I mean Climate Change Committee document,,,Lord Debens fiction. no edit in wordpress
Sorry, missed off a line for some reason, the 5.7 m houses using 10 kW = 57 GW heat at a COP of 1,5 needs about 40 GW capacity in winter.
Pre pandemic I would go to north wales regularly to climb/walk. the housing stock is overwhelmingly old stone built terraced houses all crammed into small areas.Judging by the number of houses with plumes of smoke from their chimneys it appears common place to still use solid fuel. What the hell could be done with this situation?
This is in no way a critizism of the area/people just an observation,I love the area and would move ther tomorrow if I could
Don’t, it’s lovely, the natives aren’t.
Has any account been taken of “disruption” costs when inhabitants have to move out while work is carried out? Where will all the temporary accommodation be found? How will people be incentivised to suffer all this disruption to their lives for so little benefit?
Climate Change Act is LAW. It has to be done, cost is not an issue, obeying the law is!
I just hope the CCA is amended, initially we might get Theresa May’s vindictive emissions reduction from 80% to 100% reversed. Honestly I do not think there is much hope in getting anything changed until the people suffer some hardships, such as electricity or gas shortages (freezing cold) or significant price rises in utility costs, maybe in 5 years, until then cloud cuckoo land rules. (In the country of the greens, the brain dead are kings)
I see a pragmatic campaign of civil disobedience coming. A new peasants revolt. Laws are made by elites to oppress the serfs, and LAWS are there to be broken. Ive bought a new pitchfork.
Just did a quick read-through of the CV’s of the Trustees and Staff on their website …. and they are all written in Californian! You can’t work out what they’ve actually done in the past, but it all sounds really great.
Look like a bunch of left-leaning enviro’s to me.
Still it’s only (our) money, isn’t it.
No point talking about it really, since it isnt going to happen, because the logistics and costs are not feasible. Will just get talked about, a few highly expensive test projects with parasitic consultants stealing subsidies, and then all just kicked down the road. They’ll still be talking this jibberish in 100yrs as we will keep heating homes with gas (fracked by then!).
Yes, we’ll be totally fracked before then. 🙂
Stock up on warm clothing, blankets, and get used to cold showers. I have stopped being shocked just how little Science is known, let alone understood: even the ‘knowledgeable’ speakers’ knowledge is only skin deep.
Why study true Science, only to be tormented for the rest of your life?
What happens to all these subsidised jobs when the work is complete or the money dries up, whichever happens first?
So the plan is to retrofit social housing – by definition occupied by the poorest members of society – which will increase their heating bills, so that they will be unable to afford to use it. I guess it is one way of reducing CO2 dramatically. Or you achieve the same level of reduction by euthanasia and avoid all the extra investment. Much quicker than waiting for them to die of hypothermia.
77,000 jobs, eh? Well, they won’t be additional, BRAND NEW jobs for people who have NEVER worked before. They’ll be part of the gross employment in infrastructure. It will mean existing jobs (like gas fitters) retraining for the new technology so the GVA will not be the great bonus claimed as it’ll depend on NEW employment not continuous wage-earners with their already existing GVA having switched from gas to hydrogen (say) fitting.
I have emailed both authors individually to ask them where do they think that the average ‘Northern’ family will find those kind of sums of money. Maybe others who visit this site could do the same.
In my rants to my MP I’ve praised the Tories for one thing only – to have cancelled the solar Feed In Tariff in March 2019. But there are still thousands on 25 year contracts at the higher levels. Lunatic.
There is a new scheme through certain energy supplies. If you diy it (apart from connection as it needs to be certified) it isn’t too painful. I may have to do because of a rental property that has to meet a c epc grade in 5 years time. Madness of course!
We already haven’t enough men who can actually do anything practical – electricians, plumbers, carpenters, car mechanics, labourers etc. Where are we going to find the 77,000 men to do these ‘brand new jobs’? And what exactly will they be doing?
A lot of those will be retiring in the next 10 years as well. Sparks and the like.
Quite. I’ll bet none of the people promoting this nonsense can even re-wire a plug.
But they don’t care. Don’t get the idea it’s for the good of we the people. The purpose is to enrich the greeny elite – stand up Lord Deben and take a bow.
Not read the report but do they explain why those 77,000 jobs will be filled by UK people? Just read a report about Germany, with a person there was worried that the wind turbine business will go the same way as German solar PV manufacturers – 12 bankrupt as unable to stave off Chinese competition. So never mind the cost per household, maybe even the jobs bonus will be a chimera…
At £25,000/home and ten years to recoup the investment you would obviously have to save £2,500/year from your heating bill. Good luck with that.
As for GVA that’s obviously just false.
No sensible ROI on air source heat pumps (and they are the cheapest) without significantly improved insulation, which itself won’t work properly without mechanical ventilation to prevent excessive condensation. £25k per property doesn’t cover the cost of retrofitting all three, even assuming it’s practical to do so. Would be better off doing the last two and leaving the heat pump system off the list. Solar panels, don’t get me started…
The madness of this zero carbon dioxide folly continues.
The CCC must be abolished,like its regulations and Acts.
Repeal is vital.
Negligible CO2 from UK.