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Allen Savory Exposes Consensus Science

June 3, 2021

By Paul Homewood

You may recall a TED Talks lecture a couple of years ago by Allen Savory, an ecologist from Zimbabwe, which examined the real cause of desertification. I covered it here.

I was highly impressed by the clarity of his thinking.

This short new interview with him is highly relevant:

11 Comments
  1. El Toro permalink
    June 3, 2021 10:44 am

    Hits the nail on the head! Brilliant perspective.

  2. June 3, 2021 10:44 am

    This is the guy..that consensus and his own “research” led him to kill elephants to save the topsoil..then he was wrong..then..without blushing..he dusted himself off and went to another extreme belief..the climate hysteria religion…so much for his supposed clarity of thinking..

  3. June 3, 2021 10:54 am

    Here is the text of Allan Savory’s observations:

    People talk glibly about science. What is science? People coming out of a university with a Master’s degree or a PhD, you take them into the field and they literally don’t believe anything unless it’s a peer reviewed paper, that’s the only thing they accept.

    And you say to them but let’s observe, let’s think, let’s discuss, they don’t do it! Just is it in a peer reviewed paper or not? That’s their view of science. I think it’s pathetic. Gone into universities as bright young people, they come out of them brain dead, not even knowing what science means.

    They think it means peer-reviewed papers etcetera. No! That’s academia, and if a paper is peer-reviewed it means everybody thought the same, therefore they approved it. An unintended consequence is that when new knowledge emerges, new scientific insights, they can never ever be peer-reviewed, so we’re blocking all new advances in science, that are big advances.

    If you look at the breakthroughs in science, almost always they don’t come from the centre of that profession, they come from the fringe. The finest candlemakers in the world couldn’t even think of electric lights. They don’t come from within, they often come from outside the bricks.
    We’re going to kill ourselves because of stupidity.

  4. June 3, 2021 12:14 pm

    Science is basically curiosity tested. He is correct about the problems with academia and the so-called peer review papers.

    Critical thinking is no longer held in high esteem nor used. My major professor for both my MA and PhD in botany at The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Dr. Albert E. Radford, used to talk to us about “cerebration” as a part of our research work. That is taking the time to actually go over your research area observing and thinking about what you are observing. What did you miss while just running into your laid out plots to measure and take samples? What was going on around those plots? A computer does not replace this step.

    In my own field, many great studies have been done by those outside the discipline. Dr. Edgar Wherry, a geochemist, dealt for years with the Phlox family. WVU math professor Dr. Hannibal Davis and his wife were the last word for the genus Rubus (blackberries,etc.) when no sane botanist would touch that group.

  5. Broadlands permalink
    June 3, 2021 1:25 pm

    Peer review works fine when the topic is non-controversial. But when the subject has strongly divided partisans, those in the majority (the consensus) will be those referees that most editors will choose for pre-publication review. That said, because some manuscript was rejected does not automatically give it the credence that the author has given it.

    Many people who visit internet blogs will find that all comments are “moderated”. It is the moderator who is the editor-referee and his/her beliefs are what count. Climate change skeptics, for example, will commonly find their comments rejected. That’s where consensus shows up to stifle critical thinking.

  6. Malcolm Bell permalink
    June 3, 2021 1:59 pm

    Savory is exactly right. I am a Chartered Engineer who worked a lifetime researching and creating new products. I twice took some things to top (not Oxbridge) universities but they had absolutely no interest. Actually in both cases they said it would not work!

    No peer review then no interest. Simple

    Idiots. Savory is right, they will kill us

  7. Malcolm Bell permalink
    June 3, 2021 1:59 pm

    Savory is exactly right. I am a Chartered Engineer who worked a lifetime researching and creating new products. I twice took some things to top (not Oxbridge) universities but they had absolutely no interest. Actually in both cases they said it would not work!

    No peer review then no interest. Simple

    Idiots. Savory is right, they will kill us

  8. David V permalink
    June 3, 2021 2:06 pm

    In other words:
    DEMAND EVIDENCE and THINK CRITICALLY

  9. Harry Passfield permalink
    June 3, 2021 7:26 pm

    A message for BoJo: “We are going to kill ourselves because of stupidity “.

    Boris, stop listening to the CCC and the IEA.

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