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Electric coach stranded at Eden Project due to no charge points

June 14, 2021

By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Philip Bratby

 

Monty Python could not have improved on this!

 

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A fully-electric coach has found itself stranded in Cornwall after being unable to charge at five different locations across the Duchy.

The Carbon Battle Bus is on a tour of the UK and this week travelled from London to Cornwall but was unable to complete its tour after finding charging points did not work.

It came to Cornwall to tie in with the G7 Summit in Carbis Bay where world leaders have been discussing climate change and the need to reach targets for zero carbon.

Planet Mark, the organisers of the Zero Carbon Tour, successfully travelled from London to the Eden Project, a distance of 263 miles with one recharge, in the electrically-powered Yutong coach.

However, in order to make the return leg through the South West of England the coach needs a recharge.

But with 60 to 70 miles it has found that there are no serviceable chargers left on the network and the five that they attempted to use in Cornwall were unable to charge the bus.

Planet Mark said that this showed why there was a need for more investment to be made in infrastructure to help meet zero-carbon targets.

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/touring-electric-coach-stranded-eden-5524525

 

When Planet Mark talk about “investment”, they really mean taxpayers should fork out. If there are not enough chargers now, when the number of EVs on the road is miniscule, what on earth are drivers supposed to do when there are tens of millions of the blighters?

The article goes on to complain about charging stations that would not work, but this whole saga highlights just why the EV roll out will end up being a huge catastrophe.

79 Comments
  1. Bill permalink
    June 14, 2021 9:42 am

    And we have recently been told that Cornwall will be the first carbon zero county.

    • June 14, 2021 1:20 pm

      Overtime for greenwash propagandists, that’s all.

  2. June 14, 2021 9:43 am

    Self charging hybrids or carry on with current diesel power. I was right all along pure electic vehicles are ok round your home town for shopping, but I’m damned if I can see why WE should invest £millions in charging points nationwide, because these raving planet saving zealots are determined to change everything! We’ve yet to see ANY evidence of global warming, OR ‘sea levels rising’.

    • Vernon E permalink
      June 14, 2021 6:30 pm

      So what are you doing about it?

    • June 15, 2021 9:50 pm

      Very true Sir,There can be no use for “Electric ” cars so why build them, they are useless. End of

  3. Stonyground permalink
    June 14, 2021 10:06 am

    “Planet Mark said that this showed why there was a need for more investment to be made in infrastructure to help meet zero-carbon targets.”

    Invest [in-vest] verb (used with object)
    to put (money) to use, by purchase or expenditure, in something offering potential profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.

    You keep using that word but it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      June 14, 2021 12:01 pm

      Invest=gov speak for your money down the drain.

    • Sean permalink
      June 14, 2021 4:25 pm

      You have to understand that when a government intends to “invest in” something, what it means is that they intend to spend money they’ve taken from you in taxes to buy/build something that they’ll then charge you additional money to use over and above the cost of operating and maintaining it.

      • June 14, 2021 5:22 pm

        And the something is not anything the public, who paid for it, want. It’s a something that only makes sense to a scientifically & economically illiterate occupant of the Westminster bubble

  4. David Allan permalink
    June 14, 2021 10:13 am

    I was going to comment to the effect that “you couldn’t make it up” but, on reflection, yes, you certainly could…….

  5. June 14, 2021 10:15 am

    I imagine very much the same thing happened when Bertha Benz took a long distance drive in one of the first petrol cars in 1889. It didn’t take too long to provide facilities. So, if history is right, it won’t be long before that coach can do the miles.

    • Barbara permalink
      June 14, 2021 10:34 am

      No early driver went anywhere without a can of spare petrol strapped on the side of the car. Why do you suppose all those rusting red Shell petrol cans are available on the vintage market place?

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      June 14, 2021 10:56 am

      Not sure of the point you are making there. The car was an improvement on life so infrastructure developed to meet demand for a more desirable product. No tax payer money was involved. There are no direct benefits in transport terms (other than tax avoidance) for an EV over an ICE (though there are many demerits) and even the environmental benefit is dubious or even negative. Why should public finance be spent on private choice?

    • bobn permalink
      June 14, 2021 12:07 pm

      John, there have been electric vehicles around for over 100yrs (think of those milk floats). But because they are impractical and inferior in most situations to liquid fueled vehicles no infrastructure was built and the market turned them down. So, if history is right, it will only be due to massive forced subsidies from taxpayers that will let the coach do the miles.

      • June 14, 2021 12:28 pm

        Those of us, as youngsters, who had jobs helping the local milkman will remember the huge size of the batteries involved. Plus ca change…..

      • Duker permalink
        June 14, 2021 12:37 pm

        Dont forget the early steam powered cars…. predated the combustion engine and didnt need that newfangled gasoline.
        Who remembers now the 1865 Roper steam carriage

      • StephenP permalink
        June 14, 2021 3:19 pm

        Robert Neville-Grenville, squire of Butleigh in Somerset, built a steam carriage in the 1870s which now resides in Bristol Industrial Museum.
        http://Www.nationalmotormuseum.org.uk/vehicle-collection/grenville-steam-carriage/
        It is still occasionally taken out for a spin at Butleigh.

    • Lorde Late permalink
      June 14, 2021 12:49 pm

      John fromcabanyal,
      That was 130 years ago! I think the mainstream adoption of EV’s is akin to running before we can walk.
      The mention of rising sea levels got me worried for a time at the beach recently, thankfully by the end of the day it started to receed. what a relief!

  6. Ray Sanders permalink
    June 14, 2021 10:18 am

    If we apply logic rather than ideology to this issue we come to a different conclusion. If (and only if) it was deemed important to stop the use of internal combustion engines why on earth would we opt for a battery electric vehicle? The battery has exceptionally low energy density meaning hauling around a continually heavy dead weight that takes very frequent recharging. Furthermore that recharging is unlikely in future to be an “on demand” service as it would not be possible to recharge hundreds of thousands of vehicles on a dark weekday early evening in winter hitting peak electricity demand even without EVs. On top of all this the short range and slow recharge time requires hundreds of thousands of charge points fitted everywhere to accommodate the 9 million vehicles whose owners do not have dedicated off road parking at home or at work as well as longer journeys for all other users.
    Conversely there are less than 8,400 fuel filling stations in the UK happily servicing demand and many of those are rarely low used service garage single pumps. Where I live in Canterbury there are just 5 filling stations with two pairs next to each other – in reality just 3 locations and all are already in very close proximity to electric sub stations. So if just those 3 sites were equipped with high power three phase electricity supplies, electrolysers and a buffer supply storage tank it would be possible to refuel hydrogen fuel cell cars tanks in virtually the same time as liquid fuel and offering a similar range. Sure, this method is not as electrically efficient as a battery but is massively less resource hungry to provide and with a buffer supply of hydrogen offers guaranteed on demand service and the ability to spread the electrical load throughout the day and night. Ah you say, but God (Elon Musk) called them “fool cells” so obviously we must believe him!

    • Sobaken permalink
      June 14, 2021 7:31 pm

      But that’s not very green, is it? It wouldn’t require massive lifestyle changes, people could still drive wherever they want whenever they want. No-no-no, can’t have that. You are supposed to live in harmony with nature and the seasons, only drive locally, and only when the weather allows for it.
      On a more serious note, hydrogen cars are still more expensive than ICE cars. Fuel cells alone cost $50/kW, and that’s from optimistic assessments, so you are looking at £3500 per car in additional costs. Add to that the cost of the high-preassure hydrogen tank and the battery (which is only a couple kWhs, but still). No wonder cars like Mirai end up so pricey. And as for fuel, you’ll be better off producing hydrogen with the more widely used methods like steam reforming or coal gasification, hydrogen from electrolysis is several times more expensive to produce. After all, less than 5% of hydrogen is produced via electrolysis currently, the remaining 95% is made out of fossil fuels because it’s so much cheaper. But that would defeat the stated purpose, unless carbon capture was involved.

  7. Mad Mike permalink
    June 14, 2021 10:18 am

    Aside from the issues here, the throughput of vehicles we see at petrol stations now will need to be matched by these charging points to avoid huge queues. I don’t know the exact figures but if EVs take 10 times the amount of time ICE vehicle do we can see what sort of capacity would be needed. They are building dedicated charging stations now which all incorporate some leisure facilities so presumably you can leave your vehicle charging and go and enjoy the facilities. You can bet your sweet bibby that many will choose to remain in the facility to finish their coffee etc beyond the end of the charge inevitably slowing throughput so any calculations of capacity will not match reality. No surprise there then. Other than that, it’s a wonderful concept.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      June 14, 2021 10:51 am

      And in addition the charging becomes much more frequent. My 50 litre refuel takes 3 minutes for over 600 miles travel. Conversely 30 minutes on a 50kW charger gives 30kWh or about 100 miles traveling. In reality without home charging facilities involves the car plugged in to a rapid charger for three hours split over 6 occasions to match an ICE single refuel. There are just under 8,400 fuel filling stations in the UK with a total of 60,000 individual fuel outlets. Add in the fact that lower range means charging points must be much closer together than filling stations and you need literally hundreds of thousands of public charge points.

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      June 14, 2021 11:25 am

      I believe the fuel pump multiplier is 18x the pump nozzle count to give the throughput at a service station for EVs.

      Nerdy bloke in our camera club just bought an EV and told me. He is already fretting about a visit to the Peak District. Good job he’s retired so he can spend days planning his holiday recharge points

      • Marmaduke Jinks permalink
        June 14, 2021 12:29 pm

        Nerdy bloke in your camera club? That doesn’t narrow it down much.

      • ThinkingScientist permalink
        June 14, 2021 2:51 pm

        Marmaduke, good one! Lol!
        It’s a relative term within the camera club!

    • Gerry, England permalink
      June 14, 2021 1:44 pm

      Coffee? Is that to round of the 5 course meal eaten in French time (about 3 hours)? Probably even time for a round or two of petanque or should that be bowls.

  8. Joe Public permalink
    June 14, 2021 10:20 am

    Profitable franchises available.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      June 14, 2021 11:23 am

      Beat me to it, Joe. I was going to suggest the coach should have towed that trailer/generator and suffered the negative publicity – or not tow it and suffer negative publicity.

  9. Chaswarnertoo permalink
    June 14, 2021 10:26 am

    🤣😂🤣😂

  10. June 14, 2021 10:28 am

    Part (all) of the problem must be due to it being a coach, which would be unable to fit into most charging spaces, which are in supermarket car parks.

    • Mad Mike permalink
      June 14, 2021 10:40 am

      No problem. Rip out the back 20 seats and carry a spare battery. Simple.

  11. June 14, 2021 11:19 am

    Reblogged this on delboydave and commented:
    You couldn’t make this up!

  12. Mike Jackson permalink
    June 14, 2021 11:30 am

    Whenever are these eejits going to learn the principle of horses for courses? The “best” fuel for motive power (unless you are running on fixed track) is at present processed crude oil. The best fuel for electricity generation is nuclear power or gas. The best fuel for domestic cooking/space heating is gas (ditto, I suspect for commercial space heating and in some places waste incineration should have a part to play).

    In the fullness of time other, better means may be discovered in which case, as Ray Sanders says above, there will be no need for public “investment”; entrepreneurs will be queuing up to cash in. But there has to be a benefit. Nobody pushing the climate catastrophe meme is talking about a benefit. Nobody is even starting to think about trying to convince me that my life will be better if I follow their ill-thought-out, pie-in-the-sky dreams.

    There is NOTHING in this for ME — the average punter! Why should I be expected to go along with it?? The theory of ‘saving the planet’ is nice — as a theory. We know what the general reaction is when asked what we would be happy to sacrifice to achieve it. Next to nowt!

    (Today’s rant brought to you courtesy of …..!)

    • Jordan permalink
      June 14, 2021 12:36 pm

      The best fuels for electricity generation are surely coal and gas. Coal and gas fired power stations should be installed in roughly equal measure for fuel diversity and the economic advantage of optimising by switching to the lowest price on world markets. Coal gives the ability to secure supplies by holding stocks on-site. That’s a dear lesson the UK is about to learn.

      • ThinkingScientist permalink
        June 14, 2021 2:56 pm

        Coal.

        Coal is best as it has limited utility other than power generation in a big plant. Gas can be used in much more varied ways including home heating (very high efficiency). Gas is also ideal for low emission transport in urban areas as it is very clean burning. Petrol vehicles can also be easily and relatively cheaply adapted to use lpg. Try that with coal!

      • Mike Jackson permalink
        June 14, 2021 6:21 pm

        I’ll go along with that if we can guarantee clean air. My only reason for not including it is that it is genuinely a pollutant. I accept that oil is also but I did say “best” not “perfect”. Drax’s idea of importing wood chips from 4,000 miles away and calling it “carbon neutral” when the station is sitting on top of a coal seam is the height of hypocrisy. In that context coal would certainly be better.

      • Jordan permalink
        June 14, 2021 8:41 pm

        ThinkingScientist – true, and all very good reasons to use coal for power generation.

        Mike Jackson. Coal pollution can be managed to within tight limits. These are specified in the EU by the IED. Germany would not be burning coal otherwise. I worked in Energy from Waste development for a good while, and the same concerns about pollution always surfaced. Likewise, EfW processes need to meet strict IED operating conditions, and dioxins are reduced to miniscule trace levels these days. In fact, when people raised concerns about dioxins, my advice was always the same: don’t ever have a barbeque.

      • Dave Andrews permalink
        June 15, 2021 5:46 pm

        According to the IEA Global Energy Review 2020, coal and gas represent close to 60% of global electricity supply

  13. June 14, 2021 11:34 am

    I’ve read where electric buses get at best 1 km range per kwh under the best of conditions while under poor conditions with a bigger bus, it’s more like 1.8 kwh/km. Since this bus had traveled 263 miles or 420 km, then it needs a charge of about 450 to 750 kwh. That’s the same amount of power as 20-35 homes would use over a 24 hour day. I’ve often wondered why charging stations often go down or are inoperable but when you total up the energy needed in a short period of time, it literally is equivalent to the draw of a small town or village just for a charging station. The load on the grid when a lot of these things are operating has got to be huge.

    • MarkR permalink
      June 14, 2021 5:26 pm

      Remember that the plan is that there never will be lots of electric vehicles. This is part of an overall plan to limit and reduce vehicle travel of many sorts (private cars, aircraft, ships, and so on).

      It is clear that power generation and power grids could not cope with millions of electric vehicles being charged, alongside all the other extra uses of electricity that are to be forced upon us.

      Yes, this is intentional.

      It is becoming more and more obvious that the plan is all about reduction, all about making things like private vehicle ownership more and more expensive and unattainable for most people, about making longer distance travel by almost any means more and more expensive and unattainable for most people, and even about reducing population numbers as a whole as current population levels become unsustainable with the new technology.

      I come to this conclusion as it is the only logical explanation for the plans that are being implemented. Most supporters are useful idiots (of all ages) who are taken in by the ‘save the planet’ rhetoric. But those who fund all this, seemingly on a very large scale, are not idiots and do know what they have planned for the mass of people.

      • Chaswarnertoo permalink
        June 14, 2021 6:01 pm

        They will have to pry my Alfa from my cold, dead hands.

      • Velcro permalink
        June 15, 2021 8:56 am

        Yes MarkR that is the conclusion I have come to as well

  14. Dave Ward permalink
    June 14, 2021 11:36 am

    From the suppliers website: https://pelicanyutong.co.uk/coaches/tce12-electric-coach/

    “The 281Kwh battery will allow operators a range of well in excess of 200 miles on a full charge. It can be charged with either a 60Kwh, 90Kwh or 120Kwh DC charger making a full charge possible in less than two hours”

    And from the linked article:

    “In Cornwall the electric coach visited the following charging points but were unable to successfully charge the vehicle:

    Bodmin Business Park – Genie Point – 50kW – machine not working, despite Zapp Map not reporting an issue.
    Bodmin Morrisons – Genie Point – 50kW – recognised the coach but did not deliver the charge.
    Kingsley Village – Shell – New Motion – Tritium charger – 170 kW – registered coach and charge left on coach but would not charge
    Cornwall Services – Ecotricity – 50 kW – error with the charger, engineer informed but did not work. At 11pm we met a Nissan Leaf driver who had tried three other charging stations experiencing problems.
    Eden Project car park – Genie Point – 50 kW – recognised the coach but did not deliver the charge.”

    That immediately suggests that only the Tritium Charger was (In theory) capable of charging such a large battery. If so, Planet Mark don’t appear to know what they are doing – which would hardly be surprising, as none of the “Eco” mob have functioning brain cells. It’s also obvious that electric coaches are going to be limited to short range tours, where they can be charged at their normal depots, or coach operators will have to arrange their own high- power charging network. “The electric drive line and control system is identical to that used in the E10, E12 and airport buses tends to confirm this.

    Now extend this debate to a nationwide “Electric” HGV rollout. The current (sic) concerns about driver shortages will be irrelevant, as there won’t be enough trucks for them to drive…

    • MikeHig permalink
      June 14, 2021 1:33 pm

      When the supplier mixes up kW and kWh you just know it’s not going to end well.
      Their maths is shaky too: how does the maximum 120 kW charger recharge a 281 kWh battery in less than 2 hours? As a supplier they should know that the vehicle/charger controls the rate to protect the battery so you can’t charge at full whack all of the time, especially above 80%: 3+ hours is more likely.
      Muppets.

      • Ray Sanders permalink
        June 14, 2021 2:04 pm

        I saw that absolute howler as well. Have emailed them to point it out but I doubt they will even understand. I shall post again if they reply

  15. June 14, 2021 11:38 am

    What a wonderful piece of news to start the week when that lying toad of a Prime Minister is going to distort the evidence to justify extending the harmful lockdown yet again! I have never laughed so loud in the past 16 months. Thank you 🙂 🙂

  16. Gamecock permalink
    June 14, 2021 11:39 am

    They believed their own hype. Else they would have made a dry run before the cameras were turned on.

    They somehow had information that 5 stations existed. They presumed they would work, and would be available. Were they available ONLY because they didn’t work? Whoever prepared their information didn’t include pertinent facts. Let that be a lesson to those who would depend on finding a remote charging station.

    How much money did those creating these 5 stations lose? Some ‘investment.’

    “They are building dedicated charging stations now which all incorporate some leisure facilities so presumably you can leave your vehicle charging and go and enjoy the facilities.”

    I cannot imagine what their business model is. It makes no sense to me. The economy of electric power means there is no margin in selling it. Further, they will be more dangerous than a ghetto basketball game. A siege mentality will exist, as people desperate for a charge pull in. As you wait inside enjoying your coffee, dude will pull the power plug from your car and stick it in his. People will quickly learn that if things are busy, you MUST wait with your car.

    “How much longer you need to charge that?” asks burly man in a Tesla.

  17. Mad Mike permalink
    June 14, 2021 11:53 am

    “Planet Mark, the organisers of the Zero Carbon Tour, successfully travelled from London to the Eden Project, a distance of 263 miles with one recharge, in the electrically-powered Yutong coach.”

    A curious turn of phrase it they meant they traveled from London to Cornwall without having to stop and top up. Surely you would say “with only one charge” Does this indicate a bit of distortion of what their message is?

    • MrGrimNasty permalink
      June 14, 2021 12:05 pm

      Yes, they had to stop on the way to recharge, yes they phrased it in such a way as to be deliberately ambiguous!

    • Gamecock permalink
      June 14, 2021 2:06 pm

      ‘we shall send to the moon a giant rocket . . . and then return it safely to earth’ – JFK

      Good goal setting.

      ‘Planet Mark, the organisers of the Zero Carbon Tour, successfully travelled from London to the Eden Project, a distance of 263 miles with one recharge, in the electrically-powered Yutong coach.’

      Bad goal setting.

      ‘You gotta make the journey out and in’ – Mike Pinder, John Lodge

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      June 14, 2021 3:01 pm

      Still a one way journey to Cornwall is kind of pleasant. Better than a one way journey to hell, which is where all these idiots are trying to take us.

      It’s a bit like mountaineering in the Himalayas on a virgin peak. One way journeys don’t count as an ascent.

  18. MrGrimNasty permalink
    June 14, 2021 12:07 pm

    I expect you’ve all already seen the other downside.

    https://notrickszone.com/2021/06/11/electric-bus-inferno-in-hanover-germany-explosive-fire-causes-millions-in-damages/

    I’m sure leaving a line of buses to burn themselves out really helps with air quality.

    • Gerry, England permalink
      June 14, 2021 1:49 pm

      Well unless you can drown the site under water, or cover it with sand or fire suppressing powder you have little choice but to wait for it to burn itself out.

    • June 14, 2021 5:20 pm

      That’s on top of the May14th Bus depot fire in China
      .. To be fair diesel bus fires also destroy a bus terminal every year too
      but there are far more of them.

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        June 14, 2021 5:57 pm

        But diesel fires can be put out and damage limited by eliminating oxygen/cooling.

        Not so easy, with these battery fires, like the Ocado warehouse blaze – that’s the difference. The easiest solution is just to let them burn out – with the result of a massive release of pollution.

  19. Coeur de Lion permalink
    June 14, 2021 12:19 pm

    Just had a ride in my daughter’s Nissan Leaf. Wonderful – the surge of quiet power up the hills, the quality engineering throughout- as one would expect for £ thirty grand. Marvellous. She and her husband have two garages and a charging point and a ICE SUV for real journeys, Like nearly all EV owners.

  20. June 14, 2021 1:07 pm

    1. In the fantasy leftist world it is always someone else’s fault. I am wondering why they also did not complain that Cornwall did not supply absolutely horizontal roads everywhere. This sounds simply like a bunch of children who did not plan ahead!

    2. Am I the only person to notice the significant talking point that their bus is made IN CHINA!?

    We really are dealing with people who exist in a privileged world where they are only required to possess the cognitive skills of a pre pubescent child. That instantly puts them into being from upper middle class backgrounds, certainly not from a working class or lower middle class background where your decisions have direct consequences on your future. Pathetic!

  21. europeanonion permalink
    June 14, 2021 1:10 pm

    Somebody with a mobile generator could make a fortune out of rescuing stranded EV drivers (but the recovery vehicle would need to be petrol driven to ensure that it did not end-up as a victim too) . The other idea I had was that cars should carry some sort of auxiliary sail. Perhaps horses could make a come-back (but think of the effluent).

    • MikeHig permalink
      June 14, 2021 10:56 pm

      I read a while back that the AA (or another rescue service) was equipping some of its trucks with beefy onboard generators.
      Before that a neighbour and I came up with a beer-fueled idea of a fleet of generator trucks which could set up shop in motorway services and other such places to offer emergency electrons – at a healthy price, of course. We even thought of a name: “Re-Volt”….

  22. June 14, 2021 1:30 pm

    ‘Race to zero’ turned out not to mean what they thought.

  23. tomo permalink
    June 14, 2021 2:20 pm

    Having some experience here with touring coaches….

    The rock n roll coaches are loaded with electrically driven kit and to avoid running the main engine to power everything at gigs there is usually a 3 phase mains power extension (50m +) carried to plug into house power or more usually a specifically allocated generator….

    If these eejits cannot charge the coach from a common or garden 415VAC – 3Ph power outlet (at 16 / 32 / 63 / 125 Amps) they are incompetent and if they hadn’t arranged for a power facility prior to departing then they are doubly incompetent – but then again in the land of pixie dust and unicorn farts everything is possible

  24. Gamecock permalink
    June 14, 2021 2:25 pm

    So, you have a motor coach with 50 people on board. You arrive at Kingsley Village, not looking forward to your two hour layover as you recharge the bus.

    A teenager is using the charger for his Nissan LEAF.

    You wait. Or do you? Will first-come-first-serve survive in the new etiquette of EV charger stations? Do you pay him fifty pounds to let you have it? Do teenagers get the bright idea to go tie up ALL CHARGERS IN THE COUNTRY to be paid off so others can use it?

    “Bloke, move your car out of there. No, I’m not paying you; that’s not even an electric car!”

    Probably more money in that than in the actual charging of cars! ∴ charger owners will charge for access (!) instead of letting third parties in on it. Public chargers will tend to be only in attended areas.

    It’s gonna be a mess, I tell ya!

  25. Andrew Harding permalink
    June 14, 2021 2:27 pm

    Currently if I need to refuel my car I can do so in about 3 minutes. This is a Merc E500 a full tank costs me about £80, most of the other petrol/diesel cars on the road will have a full fuel tank in half of this time.

    My understanding of electric vehicles (can someone please correct me if I am wrong?), is that their batteries can be recharged either by trickle charging or by using a higher current which is much quicker, but significantly reduces the lifetime of the battery. A trickle charge takes 8 – 24 hours. A 50kW fast charge takes 35 minutes

    If this is the case the Law of Unintended Consequences kicks in: Firstly driving habits will change, shorter journeys especially in the winter will be the norm. What do you do if you plug your car in to recharge overnight in a public place and someone disconnects it either maliciously or to charge their EV? Emergency vehicles? Second hand values? Unexplained and relatively common spontaneous combustion? Are there sufficient deposits of the Rare Earths needed to build EV’s for everyone who wants one? How many people will be killed or maimed due to the lack of noise from their motors?

    I will be sticking to petrol for as long as I can!

    • Michael permalink
      June 14, 2021 5:30 pm

      I watched a vid a while back, I think the youtuber was PetrolPed (?), filmed in Feb. The audi had a range of 190 miles but due to range anxiety was really 150. It was a 1hr charge time, and he was having the same problem with unreliable chargers, and occupied spots that the coach had and he wasn’t in boondocks Cornwall.

  26. tomo permalink
    June 14, 2021 3:43 pm

    I’m wondering if the twits concerned only decided to look for a charger when it was time to leave?

  27. ThinkingScientist permalink
    June 14, 2021 4:11 pm

    My “gas guzzling” Disco 4 3.0 litre V6 manages about 32 mpg on a motorway.

    It’s tank holds 80 litres and I can legally store a 20 litre metal jerry can and a further 10 litres in 2 x 5 litre plastic containers. So in a convenient roadside back up I can carry easily in my boot I can add 200 miles to my basic range of up to 500 miles.

    And that’s a 4×4.

    Of course, towing our 2.65 ton Airstream 684 trailer the range does drop somewhat but (a) it still easily spanks the bus and (b) we get to sleep in luxury when we stop.

    Coat racking I know, but just sayin’!

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      June 14, 2021 7:42 pm

      ‘Airstream’…..sorry…just gone all funny here! Great choice. 🙂

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        June 14, 2021 7:44 pm

        PS: I take it that’s a 22+ footer.

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      June 14, 2021 7:49 pm

      Modern 2014 built for European Market. Max legal size ie 2.5 m (8 ft) wide and 8.25m hitch to tail. Body length is 6.8 m internal so yes it’s 22 ft internal length.

      It is a thing of beauty. We love it.

      The only problem is they don’t seem to make an EV that can tow it…..

      • ThinkingScientist permalink
        June 14, 2021 7:52 pm

        That’s max legal size for new caravans btw. Vintage import Airstreams can be much bigger. Triple axles and over 30ft bodies. You will need a very high nose weight capacity to tow those though. My Disco 4 towbar is legal to 250 kg nose weight, so could just about do it (they are about 500-600 lbs nose weight I believe)

  28. Jack Broughton permalink
    June 14, 2021 4:25 pm

    The eco-gullible “i” today has a very begrudging short article about how a Swiss referendum has rejected increased tax for climate change funding. This is what we need too, it would focus that mind as opposed to the “saving the planet” fear-campaign with no apparent cost attached. We could get good at referenda if the governments allowed us to.

  29. June 14, 2021 4:31 pm

    Tesco are offering free charging, except nothing in this life is free so someone is paying. Why would you leave you car charging while you do your shopping? As someone said earlier, what’s to stop someone else taking over your charger? How is there going to be room in the car parks? I was in a small town car park (not Tesco) a few days ago with three cars grouped round the charger, drivers in earnest conversation not noticing they had nearly blocked the exit. Did they move? Nope. https://www.tescoplc.com/updates/2021/the-uks-largest-free-retail-electric-car-charging-network-has-hit-500-000-charges/

  30. MrGrimNasty permalink
    June 14, 2021 6:30 pm

    Boris at the G7:

    “We’re building back better together. And building back greener. And building back fairer. And building back more equal. Maybe in a more general [gender?] neutral, a more feminine, way.”

    Thornberry questioned on this remark on Sky.

    “I don’t really understand what he’s talking about to be honest with you….”

    First words ever to come out of Thornberry’s mouth that make sense?

    Fair to say Boris is channeling Princess Nut Nuts and his WEF/UN pals again.

    • Gamecock permalink
      June 14, 2021 7:33 pm

      What’s this ‘WE’ stuff? Government taking its knee off your neck doesn’t make them a participant.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      June 14, 2021 7:36 pm

      Boris failed to follow the UN’s script (for world domination): he said ‘fairer’, while the agreed word is now, ‘equitable’ (as opposed to ‘equal’). It’s how they work. Change the rules to keep you guessing. I bet Boris couldn’t explain how a Green government will deliver equity (whereas, a lot of people will lose what they think of as equity)..

      • Gamecock permalink
        June 15, 2021 2:43 am

        Perhaps they can deliver whirled peas.

  31. Vernon E permalink
    June 14, 2021 6:36 pm

    As usual, endless repeats of the question but what is the answer?

  32. tom0mason permalink
    June 14, 2021 9:14 pm

    Not quite on topic but I noticed this report —
    “Built solar assets are ‘chronically underperforming’ and modules degrading faster than expected, research finds”
    At https://www.pv-tech.org/built-solar-assets-are-chronically-underperforming-and-modules-degrading-faster-than-expected-research-finds/

    So can’t recharge that bus from a array of shoddily assembled solar cells. But Bozo-Johnson will sacrifice the country’s infrastructure to them.

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