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‘Stand up to the climate fanatics’: Some MPs call to scrap 2030 petrol and diesel car ban

August 5, 2021

By Paul Homewood

 

Following the government backdown over the ban on gas boilers brought about by pressure from the likes of Steve Baker, MPs are now aiming their sights on the ban on petrol and diesel cars:

 

 

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A GROUP of MPs have come out to condemn the 2030 ban on new fossil fuelled car sales.

The group of 13 MPs and Lord Lilley have endorsed a ground-breaking new report from the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) for Fair Fuel for UK motorists and hauliers. The report lists seven practical recommendations to lower emissions without banning new diesel and petrol vehicles.

The main recommendation is: “The Government should immediately remove the threat of the ban on the sales of new petrol and diesel vehicles.”

The APPG says that the Government should instead incentivise the move to clean fuels by motivating industry and entrepreneurs to develop technologies that will not impact adversely on the economy, drivers or businesses.

Almost two thirds of drivers excluding EV owners want the Government to produce full post Covid recovery cost benefit analyses on the impact of the 2030 ban.

This will demonstrate if the policy achieves lower vehicle emissions and be more beneficial than the cost of implementing the 2030 ban itself.

Craig Mackinlay, the chair of the APPG, praised the group’s response to the Government’s plans.

He said: “The only thing that’s protecting the Government from electoral harm on this matter is the seeming Westminster consensus and lack of courage to stand up to the climate fanatics and say: enough!

“Sooner or later the public will rebel against this madness. Better to have the rational debate now before we fully embark on a failing and expensive experiment.

“It is imperative we bring the majority of the electorate along with us in the changes being demanded of them.

“Not using a ton of un-consulted millstones. It must be through consultation and consensus and a rational debate about the cost and alternatives.

“That will mean compromises on all sides of the green agenda. Above all, using common sense and practical, achievable solutions.”

The group of MPs are also calling on the Government to form two new groups to help with the decisions being made to ban petrol and diesel sales.

The first would be a ‘Road user consultative group’, which would include drivers of different kinds of vehicles to advise, scrutinise and support various departments involved with rural and urban transport strategies.

The second group would be the ‘Air Quality Working Party’, which would be completely independent.

According to the report, the group should: “Scientifically determine where the greatest levels of particulate, nitrogen dioxide and other ‘damaging’ pollutants really come from, and how to reduce them in the short term.”

Graham Stringer, Labour MP for Blackley and Broughton and APPG member, said: “My constituents are already facing big pressures on their household budgets.

“Now the prospect of a ban on petrol and diesel cars threatened to make driving the pastime of privileged few.

“The Government urgently needs to rethink this out of touch policy, which will be bad for working families and potentially bad for the environment too.”

This consultation was originally pledged in the 2019 Conservative manifesto.

The APPG has also questioned whether the Government has recognised a “fair and equitable” replacement for £35billion of annual Fuel Duty and VAT.

The Government still plan to move forward with their mission to ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030.

Plans are also set out to ban hybrid cars in 2035, as the Government rolls towards an electric future.

This will be in line with the overarching aim for the UK to be carbon neutral by 2050.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1472114/petrol-diesel-car-ban-2030-plans-scrapped-uk-latest

29 Comments
  1. Barry Evans permalink
    August 5, 2021 1:29 pm

    I totally agree with Mr Baker

  2. Jack Broughton permalink
    August 5, 2021 1:54 pm

    If the “science is proven” why are the media banning almost all debate of the topic?
    The cost and social effects alone of the massive changes proposed would justify a referendum ….. oh but the government cannot guarantee the outcome of one of those……

    • August 5, 2021 2:49 pm

      You comment: “If the “science is proven” why are the media banning almost all debate of the topic?

      Because the elite who fancy themselves above cannot waste their time conversing with mere “serfs”.

      Further, the elite and media would not know “science” if it slapped them upside the head.

  3. August 5, 2021 1:54 pm

    Thank the Almighty for this potential, vitally needed volte face.
    Much more than enough should be said to the climate alarmists. Now go away!
    Do they know or care our greenhouse gases and CO2 outputting is negligible in the UK?

  4. C Lynch permalink
    August 5, 2021 1:57 pm

    Off topic but the Irish Times today is reporting under a headline “Record highs recorded in July heatwave” a record high temperature recorded at Mount Dillon in County Roscommon in the recent heatwave – the mercury apparently hit 30.8 °C.
    Very alarming and concerning. Until you read on and discover that the records began at that station in 2008!

  5. August 5, 2021 1:59 pm

    Graham Stringer is one of very few MPs who have a scientific background – and it has always shown .

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      August 5, 2021 2:29 pm

      Doesn’t Baker have a degrees in Aerospace and computing? Apart from that, he was an engineering officer in my old mob, the RAF, so he’s OK for me.

      • Trainspotter permalink
        August 6, 2021 3:08 am

        Graham is a chemist.

  6. August 5, 2021 2:19 pm

    Interesting when thinking reasonably and logically is now considered “ground-breaking”.

  7. Harry Passfield permalink
    August 5, 2021 2:24 pm

    The msg MPs need to get across is that CC is not Covid: you can’t catch it and you won’t need to isolate from it. There is NO CC emergency, evidenced by the fact that there are 10s of thousands of people who can’t wait to get out of this country and live in a warmer (hot) country
    That said, if the government gets its way and manages to ban ICE and diesel, something more than just the ‘Cuba effect’ will come to pass: Where government is forced to make exceptions for large farm vehicles (Big Pickups etc) then Joe public might just decide that buying one is better than an EV.
    The problem with any rule or law that allows for exceptions is that people will find the loopholes in those exceptions.

    • tamimisledus permalink
      August 6, 2021 8:31 am

      What people do proves nothing, except that they do it,

  8. Harry permalink
    August 5, 2021 2:35 pm

    Well done to this group of MP’s-not before time though

  9. Robert Christopher permalink
    August 5, 2021 3:01 pm

    O/T, but good news from several sources, even when the enthusiasm is toned down 🙂

    Major Climate Bombshell

    from 1:18 to at least 3:29.

  10. Julian Flood permalink
    August 5, 2021 3:44 pm

    Compressed natural gas makes a low carbon, low particulate and low NOX fuel suitable for ICEs. We have billions of cubic metres of the stuff under the North Sea and much of England. If people will put up with hauling tons of batteries around I’m sure they’ll cope with an outsized fuel tank.

    • Vernon E permalink
      August 5, 2021 4:05 pm

      When I worked in Egypt in the 1990s I drove a CNG car and it was fine, I certainly don’t recall an intrusive tank. I seem to remember that the only problem was frequent re-setting of the mixture from an exhaust probe and that, I think, was due to the readings being digital and, as always, operators taking digital read-outs as gospel and not re-checking their set ups.

  11. Ray Sanders permalink
    August 5, 2021 4:05 pm

    The really annoying thing is that breakthroughs in thermo-electric generation using new nano technology materials look like improving the efficiency of converting waste heat directly to electricity from low single figure percentages to over 20%.
    Getting 20% more energy in the form of electricity from the approaching 65% waste heat from an ICE is a huge step forward. Hybrid’s batteries can store this energy and the drag from the alternator is removed. Furthermore running CNG through the engine in the first place improves combustion efficiency and reduces particulate emissions. More power and significantly more energy becomes available allowing for the virtuous circle of a smaller engine etc.
    New hybrid ICE running on CNG with TEG (lot of abbreviations!) will almost certainly be more environmentally friendly than any EV. They will also do many many miles between rapid refills.

  12. August 5, 2021 5:41 pm

    If I thought the Watermelons and their useful idiots in Parliament and the Press had a brain cell to rub between them then I’d tell them to read two books – the benefit of getting away on holiday!
    ‘Heaven and Earth Global Warming: The Missing Science’ by Ian Plimer, Australian Professor of Geology
    ‘Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom’ by Patrick Moore, ex Greenpeace Founder who has seen the light
    Then they could tell us there’s absolutely no climate crisis

    • Gerry, England permalink
      August 6, 2021 11:12 am

      Personally I would start the ignorant with ‘The Deniers’ by Lawrence Soloman since he was not a sceptic when he started his series in a paper but was intrigued to keep finding more and more esteemed scientists who had issues with the global warming claims of ‘settled science’.

      • August 6, 2021 11:34 am

        Many thanks for the suggested addition to my reading list for my next holiday!

  13. Ray Sanders permalink
    August 5, 2021 6:06 pm

    “Stand up to the climate fanatics”..must mean this sort of absolute claptrap that the sick minded crooks at the Guardian peddle most every day.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/05/climate-crisis-scientists-spot-warning-signs-of-gulf-stream-collapse
    The shitty little rag really should be shut down

    • chriskshaw permalink
      August 5, 2021 6:35 pm

      Really reminds me of the old “Messerschmitt lands on moon” followed next day by “Messersmitt mysteriously disappears from lunar surface”… people click, that’s the problem

    • Mad Mike permalink
      August 5, 2021 8:03 pm

      I seem to remember the same warning about 40 years ago. Nothing happened to the GS of course and the warning went the same way as most of the other doomsayer’s predictions in my lifetime.

    • dennisambler permalink
      August 6, 2021 10:10 am

      Whenever this recycled meme appears, I instantly know it is from the Potsdam Institute, where Stefan Rahmstorf has been banging the drum for many years and has been refuted many times.

      The author of this piece, Niklas Boers, has the benefit of having been a Humboldt fellow at the Department of “Complexity Science” at Imperial College London, (the centre of modelling excellence on Covid) and an Associate researcher at the Grantham Institute, where he was supervised by Joanna Haigh and Brian Hoskins, long time alarmists both. IPCC author Hoskins was involved in “exonerating” the CRU in the Royal Society “investigation” into Climategate.

      search Curriculum Vitae – Dr. Niklas Boers. Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research

      Not surprisingly, Rahmstorf has already published on the subject earlier in the year, https://www.pik-potsdam.de/en/news/latest-news/gulf-stream-system-at-its-weakest-in-over-a-millennium

      Then they follow up with a different scientist, more citations and more consensus, as all these similar papers with different authors, count separately in the citation game.

  14. nucart permalink
    August 5, 2021 7:04 pm

    This issue is bigger than just the UK. Most vehicles sold in the UK are manufactured by “international” companies and so to make any change will need politicians across Europe and beyond to join the rebellion.

  15. August 5, 2021 9:00 pm

    as Phillip Bratby notes above, Graham Stringer has long been critical/sceptical wrt MMGW & the remedies our UK Governments are enacting.

    so no surprise to see him on this “(APPG)” trying to inject some common sense.

  16. Robert Christopher permalink
    August 5, 2021 9:32 pm

    Stand Up To The Climate Fanatics?

    I think the Government has been well and truly infiltrated:
    Has Boris killed off North Sea oil and gas … ?
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9865661/Has-Boris-Johnson-killed-North-Sea-oil-gas-PM-says-industry-green-fast.html

  17. August 5, 2021 9:51 pm

    New Farage clip about the “Richmond Greens” forcing EV’s by 2030

  18. Phil O'Sophical permalink
    August 5, 2021 11:12 pm

    But they are still fighting in their own half. They still accept that emissions need to be lowered = that man-made CO2 is measurably causing a faster rise in Earth’s temperature = that that level of temperature rise is in some way dangerous.

    They should be saying there is no crisis so we do not need mass electric vehicles nor subsidised turbines and that that way we may just keep the lights on whilst our population increase runs away with itself. Actually one simple answer to growing power shortages would be to genuinely curb mass immigration.

  19. M E permalink
    August 6, 2021 10:30 am

    Does the present U K government intend to still be around in 2030?
    It sounds as if they are signalling to the Greens among them that they are fully seized of the problem and are definitely going to do something to assuage their anxiety, just not quite yet.

    Hoping that someone else can face the practical problems.

    A cynical reader from New Zealand
    where such political methods seem to be used from time to time.

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