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Information Tribunal orders Committee on Climate Change to reveal Net Zero calculations

August 7, 2021

By Paul Homewood

 

 

A big win for GWPF:

 

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The CCC’s figures were presented to Parliament ahead of the Net Zero emissions target nodded through in June 2019 to enshrine it in law. The case was brought by Andrew Montford, the deputy director of the Global Warming Policy Forum.

The ruling, which dismisses almost all of the CCC’s arguments, comes after a two-year battle to obtain the cost calculations. Extraordinarily, the CCC’s case centred around a claim that it had erased and overwritten the relevant information by the time of the FOI request, just six weeks after the publication of the Net Zero report, and indeed changed and lost it further subsequent to the request.  According to Mr Montford:

By arguing that it has overwritten and erased the spreadsheet data, the CCC has essentially admitted that its internal processes are a shambles. This is not a competent organisation and Parliament needs to investigate as a matter of urgency. If they can’t even manage simple matters of data retention, what hope is there that they can prepare a plausible costing of a multi-trillion pound project such as the decarbonisation of the UK economy?”

During the case, the CCC revealed that their costing does not include any estimate for spending in 2020-2049, but only considered the residual amounts in 2050, after the bulk of the transition. This was not made clear to the MPs when they agreed to bring the Net Zero target into law, and it is likely therefore that MPs were misled.

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*The CCC has 35 days to publish the closest versions of the spreadsheets to those that existed at the time of the request.

*Mr Montford was advised by information law specialists John Goss and Aaron Moss of 5 Essex Court chambers.

https://www.thegwpf.com/information-tribunal-orders-committee-on-climate-change-to-reveal-net-zero-calculations/

It is clear that the the CCC’s internal procedures are a shambles, as Andrew says. The reality is that the CCC have never been bothered about the costs to the country of its mad decarbonisation agenda.

35 Comments
  1. August 7, 2021 10:14 am

    They’ll desperately be trying to knock some up. It’s clear to mw that there never were any detailed.costings, just an unrealistic guess.

    • August 7, 2021 12:11 pm

      “I did my homework, but the dog ate it.”

      • Duker permalink
        August 8, 2021 4:36 am

        Reminds us of Climate gate
        “Can you delete any e-mails you have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4? [the IPCC’s 2007 Summary for Policymaker’s Report]. Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment-minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene [Wahl] and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new e-mail address. Will be getting Casper [Ammann] to do likewise.”

  2. Thomas Carr permalink
    August 7, 2021 10:29 am

    A more compelling damnation of the CCC’s bona fides on this matter would hard to imagine. Although the wheel is beginning to turn the newspapers seem strangely casual about the confected warm up for the forthcoming Glasgow gathering . You will have seen the latest TV advertising using children to pull heart strings with ” I am only 6 years old” etc.
    Outrageous manipulation reminiscent of the government’s use of tax payers funds to promote the Remainers’ case on the Brexit issue.

    • Mike Jackson permalink
      August 7, 2021 10:38 am

      There is always the opportunity to take the television companies to task if their advertising crosses the line if it can be proved the advertisement is false or misleading.

      I’m delighted that the GWPF and Andrew Montford have at last managed to get Gummer and his devious little pals on the defensive. Next stage an amendment to the Climate Change Act abolishing the CCC completely. Further down the line the repeal of the Act itself but one thing at a time. ‘Softly, softly …’

  3. Kelland Hutchence permalink
    August 7, 2021 10:33 am

    They’ll be squirming and slithering, ducking and diving in an effort to cover their ineptitude and hope to convince their gullible supporters that everything is fine, it’s merely a little glitch. But it’s pretty clear to me that Andrew Montford and the GWPF has them by the short and curls and I’m dead certain they won’t let go! Well done!!

  4. Andrew Harding permalink
    August 7, 2021 10:36 am

    Their lies are only exceeded by their ineptitude!

  5. Joe Public permalink
    August 7, 2021 10:45 am

    Andrew & Co put a lot of effort into countering CCC’s disgraceful evasions.

    Reminiscent of McIntyre & McKitrick’s efforts in demolishing of Mann & Co’s Hockey Stick graph.

  6. Eddy Barrows permalink
    August 7, 2021 10:51 am

    The most worrying part of this is that these measures with all their long term almost unimaginable potential economic and industrial consequences were as you correctly stated just nodded through Parliament with MPs demonstrating both their ignorance and utter lack of concern.

    • Gamecock permalink
      August 7, 2021 5:49 pm

      Exactly.

      ‘This was not made clear to the MPs when they agreed to bring the Net Zero target into law, and it is likely therefore that MPs were misled.’

      A stupid excuse. The spineless twirps had no interest in fighting back. If misled, they wanted to be. So we are back to wondering, are MPs stupid or corrupt (both?) and WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP VOTING FOR THEM?

      The court jester knows Net Zero is preposterous; how can MPs not know?

      • Michael permalink
        August 8, 2021 7:00 am

        Why vote for them you ask?
        It’s a choice of one incompetent vs another muppet. Pick the least dreadfull option.

  7. David Allan permalink
    August 7, 2021 11:00 am

    The CCC is a bunch of self-preserving charlatans and most MPs are fools, incapable of any analysis and completely unwilling to take any steps or commit to any vote that would damage their ascent of the greasy pole.

    • Brian jackson permalink
      August 7, 2021 12:32 pm

      Has anyone analysed the educational and professional qualifications of all 660 UK Parliament MP’s?
      I’m betting not 1 in 20 has any education or knowledge fitting them to make such decisions.
      That’s what the Civil Service is for, but now totally in thrall to the AGW narrative.

      • Thomas Carr permalink
        August 7, 2021 4:19 pm

        Perhaps those days are passed but Who’s Who used to provide details of sitting MP’s secondary and later education. Wikipedia should oblige when you have time to do the reading.

  8. George Lawson permalink
    August 7, 2021 11:13 am

    It’s high time the disgraceful Climate Change Committee was closed down by the government. Lord Deben and his group of incompetent Professors including Prof. Keith Bell, Prof. Nick Chafer, Prof. Mike Davis, Prof.Piers, Foster, Prof.Corrine Le Quere, Dr. Rebecca Heaton, Paul Johnson and Peter Betts, have been disgracefullyy misleading the government and the British public for far too long with their consistently outrageous warming predictions, predictions which have been consistently challenged and ridiculed as totally inaccurate by the factual historical data provided by this.site and many like it. They have never responded to any challenge to their predictions and statements which any scientific body should do especially when their inaccurate statements can lead to wasteful public expenditure of trillions. of pounds. Presumably they have all been paid fees for their services, which would come to an end if they published the truth and stated that there is no warming problem and never has been over the past six years or more.
    Congratulations to Andrew Montford and the Global Warming Foundation on forcing the governments hand.

  9. cookers52 permalink
    August 7, 2021 11:15 am

    Sometimes you just have to let stupidity succeed. The climate emergency belief is entrenched in our human condition.

    What we are observing is the more you fight against it ,the more extreme the stupidity becomes.

    Nobody knows what the future will be, no politician or expert forecast the pandemic or the 2008 world wide monetary collapse.

    Life goes on.

  10. st3ve permalink
    August 7, 2021 11:35 am

    There will surely be earlier/previous versions ‘backed up’ as part of general IT security, for having a recovery position?

    Why is the Data Protection commissioner not investigating this apparent breach?

    Whose role is it to investigate the misleading of Parliament?

    Any thoughts like these will surely be squashed to beyond Glasgow COP.

    • Duker permalink
      August 8, 2021 5:13 am

      It shouldnt even be in Spreadsheet package.
      Serious statistical work is done in specialised language like R, Python etc with methods and assumptions documented. And simpler to back check for those and many other reasons.

      Using a spreadsheet or Google Docs version is just another Ship Of Fools trapped by their lies instead of Ice

  11. Jack Broughton permalink
    August 7, 2021 11:38 am

    These zealots through their parliamentary power base have destroyed the UKs previously economic and secure power generation system and replaced it with an insecure, unreliable one that depends on imported gas, electricity and the weather. The tumbrels should be rolling.

    • T Walker permalink
      August 7, 2021 12:49 pm

      Is that an electric tumbrel Jack or are we bringing horses back on streets??

  12. sid permalink
    August 7, 2021 11:45 am

    Even after ‘deleting’ the info is there. It takes special programs to write over stuff. Something is not being said here

  13. It doesn't add up... permalink
    August 7, 2021 12:01 pm

    I downloaded every document that the CCC provided in support of the Sixth Carbon Budget. Many studies commissioned from pet consultants and academics. No real costings. No real world feasibility of their “plans”. It’s utterly scandalous.

    They should all be sacked without pensions.

  14. The war criminal Tony Blair permalink
    August 7, 2021 12:58 pm

    That excuse is right up there with “the dog ate my homework”!

  15. Peter Barrett permalink
    August 7, 2021 2:38 pm

    Let the HS2 saga be a warning to everyone when eventually the CCC manage to find the envelope on the back of which they made their calculations. Originally optimistically costed at £37.5bn (2009) the cost benefit analysis was skewed to show the scheme was economically beneficial to the country and the cities outside London. By 2019 HS2’s chairman estimated the cost as up to £78.4bn. An independent review has put the cost (in 2015 prices) at £110bn. Suggestions now are that change from £200bn will be small. As we are now all working from the attic or our spare bedroom the government does not want a rerun of the cost benefit analysis until the project is well past the point of no return.

    Any figure the CCC eventually comes up with should be viewed with the above in mind. If other examples are needed look no further than the smart meter fiasco, Hinkley Point C, Crossrail, or any other large government project.

  16. Micky R permalink
    August 7, 2021 6:49 pm

    A good result for GWPF, needs to be widely broadcast.

    Re: public sector construction projects, Sizewell B was on budget, Heysham 2 was reportedly within 5% of the original cost estimate, although the costs for the AGR construction programme are not that easy to pin down. If the future is automated vehicles then HS2 is a bizarre concept.

  17. Harry Passfield permalink
    August 7, 2021 9:15 pm

    Well done, Bish!!

  18. Cheshire Red permalink
    August 7, 2021 9:29 pm

    GWPF should be all over this. Not in a polite way, either.

    Net Zero is THE most expensive government spending policy of all time and has been rushed through Parliament on the back of fraudulent numbers.

    Not accidental.
    Not ‘just a miscalculation’.
    Not ‘escalating costs out of our control’.

    They’re advocating for a ruinous policy predicated on technology that doesn’t even exist yet!

    If that’s not gross negligence what is it?

    There should be calls for resignations here.

    Start at the top, Deben and Stark.

    • J Flood permalink
      August 8, 2021 6:51 am

      And Chater. Why is a member of the Nudge Unit on the CCC?

      JF

  19. August 8, 2021 8:53 am

    This is no accident. The purveyors of climate doom have had a free pass for years and does it not show with emotional predictions of doom passing without any registration from the propaganda pushers(media).

    This rotten and corrupt group are a window on the whole corrupt and sorry lot from the “scientists” and universities who have sold out in return for wealth to the myriad of Soros, China et al funded activist groups full of useful idiots. This is the first time any of them have been challenged and oh does it not show! This should have brought pandemonium in Parliament. This should bring down a government because soft boiled brained Boris just accepted their garbage hook line and sinker.

    • Robert Jones permalink
      August 8, 2021 10:47 am

      You can’t blame Boris for a fraudulent scheme put together by the Labour Party! The Climate Change Acts of Parliament were put together by Ed Miliband.

  20. dave permalink
    August 8, 2021 10:17 am

    A small point.

    The ‘Information Tribunal’ has not existed for a decade.

    The ruling came from:

    First-Tier Tribunal
    (General Regulatory Chamber)
    Information Rights

    ” ‘Information Rights’ Tribunal ” in a headline might pass muster.

    Interesting that the CCC has so few staff (30 odd). Emphasises that they are just a hack front organization.

    OTT the Sun is spotless again.

  21. Mike Marks permalink
    August 8, 2021 12:02 pm

    No indication of how the electrical capacity can be achieved or even distributed. Hot air?

  22. August 8, 2021 11:11 pm

    I imagine a cartoon from Josh
    with the CCC calculations written on the back of a fag packet.

    • tomo permalink
      August 9, 2021 11:52 am

      Fag packet? – I think not – perish the thought … there’s more than a whiff of the anti-tobacco crew of tax eaters pulling strings and filling their pockets from AGW…

      – it’s a lot more likely to be a menu from “The Ivy”

      FoI legislation actually has some teeth – we see the ICO regularly issue fines for data breaches, seemingly ignoring mitigating context or divulging the extents of actual damage.

      Where sleazy corrupt officials intention is to mislead and deliberately obfuscate and they get caught lying and spaffing public funds to extend the dishonesty = nada…

      “They” are absolutely giving us the finger

      – relying on their chums at the ICO to do the right thing…

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