New Study: Retreating East Greenland Glaciers Uncover Plant Debris Dating To The 16th – 17th Centuries
August 24, 2021
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
“… suggesting this period (the early Little Ice Age) was as-warm or warmer than today.”
Of course it was! You know that, I know that and most on here know it too. But the idiots in charge don’t consider it relevant.
So. What you’re saying is. This has happened before in the recent past.
Well, I’m shocked!
It was warmer in the past? Colour me shocked! Call me when there are hippos in the Thames, again.
A days ago I spotted in the Express or Mail ,cant remember which,a report of unusual high levels of rainfall on the Greenland icecap.Did anyone else see it,and is there an explanation for this event?
First time on record apparently. Further research suggests “records” started in 1950!
“Greenland: Rain fell at summit for first time on record – CNN”
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“The same thing happened in 1933 and 1950.”
https://realclimatescience.com/2021/08/first-time-on-record/
My theory is that warm periods end with generally cooler conditions punctuated by short periods of exceptionally warm conditions. Thus the Alarmists may be correct that extremes are increasing, but what they don’t say is that increasing extreme temperatures with little or no increase in average temperatures must mean falling temperatures the rest of the time.
Appears it was a brief event lasting a few hours. It is mid summer after all. Of course we have no idea how often its happened in the past as there are few recording stations in that sparsely populated land, and we have not recorded there for long.
Probably snowing again today.
Simple explanation, WEATHER!
A small amount of rain that, causes partial melting of the surface layers of snow, all of which then refreezes will add to the total mass of the ice sheet as well as consolidating the snow and making more resistant to future melting. All in all a positive for the expansion of the ice sheet.
This is another example of the MSM cherry picking isolated events to promote a particular agenda. The melt season in Greenland is almost over for this year, and it looks like total mass gain for the past 12 months will be pretty close to average, i.e. no sign of catastrophic melting or move along now, nothing to see here.
Don;t be stupid – 97% of scientists say its hotter now than ever and it is our fault, and they are the ‘experts’ .Are you sure the debris was not put there by climate deniers ?
That australian research was full with bias!
You ever read things you don’t like!
Norse/Viking artifacts…
“The summer of 2014 was hectic in this respect. In Oppland County alone, Pilø and his colleagues found 400 objects, now emerged from the deepfreeze.
Among these were a horse skull and hiking staffs from the Viking Age. An arrow shaft found by the archaeologists is from the Stone Age.
An ancient route over the mountains once passed by the glacier where Lars Pilø and his colleagues conducted field work. People crossed the mountains with livestock, and went back and forth to their high summer farms – or simply travelled from one place to another. They have left a wide array of artefacts in their wake over the centuries, to the delight of 21st century archaeologists.
“We often find things associated with hunting. There are also ordinary objects such as mittens and shoes and the skeletons of horses that died on the trek across the mountains. This makes it a real thrill,” says Pilø.”
Ah, but, the IPCC have written-out the MWP and the LIA so they do not count. The gobbledegook in their report is as below: –
” *** The terms “Little Ice Age” and “Medieval Warm Period” (or “Medieval Climate Anomaly”) are not used extensively in this report because the timing of these episodes is not well defined and varies regionally. Since AR5, new proxy records have improved climate reconstructions at decadal scale across the last millennium. Therefore, the dates of events within these two roughly defined periods are stated explicitly when possible.”
In other words we believe what we want to believe and reject anything else.
Yes, Steve McIntyre has torn into on this one where in sciency language they actually admit to leaving anything out of their hookey stick that doesn’t conform to what they want. And yet it is still a belief that the IPCC is a science group.
Thus as well as leaving out what they don’t like from the reconstructions, they also ignore over 100 papers that have shown the presence of the MWP in the southern hemisphere as this contradicts their claim that it was only local.
A global MWP destroys their entire edifice. Yet the evidence for a global MWP is far stronger than the evidence there wasn’t one. And most of them know it.
Vast amounts of evidence from history, art, literature, geography, archaeology, biology and other areas for both the LIA and MWP but these clowns have a few trees that show they never existed. And they ignore any trees or shells that show otherwise. The IPCC skates on wafer thin ice.
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That was caused by the fashion for sedan-chairs. The exhaust from the two carrier guys was 99% methane, which warmed the whole planet. OR, just maybe it’s all part of a natural cycle, up and down, over which WE have NO input or control!