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Don’t Upset China, Say Greens

September 22, 2021

By Paul Homewood

Roger Harrabin talks to his green chums, and comes away more confused than ever!

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China will be urged at the UN next week to speed up the timetable for curbing its planet-heating carbon emissions.

It will be nudged by the UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who’s experiencing climate pressure himself from activists blocking motorways.

But is the UK, with its world-leading emissions targets, the right target for demonstrators?

China produces 28% of global emissions and the UK just 1%. So shouldn’t they be picketing the Chinese embassy instead of the M25 motorway?

On the face of it, that seems a reasonable question. And some veteran activists would indeed support a well-judged China protest – we’ll come to that later.

But when I initially asked the radical green group Extinction Rebellion (XR) if they had considered demonstrating against China, it triggered a furious response.

An XR member tweeted accusing me of perpetuating anti-Chinese racist stereotypes and failing to report climate change properly.

Why so vitriolic?

Well, there are two reasons. The first is practical: climate campaigning groups like Greenpeace and WWF have offices in Beijing and if they rattle China too hard, they could be swiftly closed down.

The second reason touches a sore spot on the geopolitical history of climate change. For the purposes of climate negotiations, China has been regarded as a developing country because major industrialisation occurred from the mid-20th Century – after some other countries.

Picketing the Chinese embassy would ostensibly transfer blame for the current crisis on to Beijing – while easing pressure for carbon cuts in historically wealthy nations such as the UK.

That’s exactly what some newspaper columnists want.

Rich countries caused most warming

But it runs counter to global climate diplomacy, which acknowledges that it’s rich countries with a longer history of industrialisation that have caused most of the warming so far.

What’s more, much of the CO2 on China’s carbon accounts is created by manufacturing stuff that Western consumers buy.

So much stronger action from Beijing is certainly essential to prevent global heating getting even worse. But to be fair, China’s not quite as blameworthy as it seems.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58584976

And so it goes in a similar vein for an interminably long time!

Overall his green buddies argue that:

  • China will shut us down if we make trouble
  • If we do protest, it will play into those wicked right wingers’ hands
  • The West is really to blame for making the world so much richer
  • It’s not really China’s fault, because we buy their goods.

The consensus seems to be that we all wave a few banners, in the naive hope that China will cut its emissions in half next year.

I’m sorry, but I am obviously under a misapprehension here!

I thought this was all about saving the planet, not playing silly little green political games.

Obviously we are not heading for a climate apocalypse after all!

41 Comments
  1. Harry Passfield permalink
    September 19, 2021 11:27 am

    It suits China’s plans for world-domination (no, that’s not hyperbole) that their useful idiots in the West play their part and pave the way. It would not surprise me in the least to find XR etc are funded, one way or another, by China.
    The trouble is that we don’t have strong politicians or people if standing in this country. Too many are just out to fill their boats.

    • dennisambler permalink
      September 19, 2021 12:07 pm

      https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2020/04/the-most-disgusting-climate-cult-of-all/
      “XR has been part-funded by the J. Paul Getty oil heirs’ $US5 billion wealth. The Getty’s Climate Emergency Fund has given $US600,000 to XR and one of the Getty heir’s websites touts XR’s work: “The only way to force a change is to disrupt the status quo through legal, non-violent direct action.” ”

      It’s not just the missus pushing Boris:
      BBC 9th October 2019
      “Boris Johnson’s father has told Extinction Rebellion protesters that their work is “extremely important” – less than two days after his son labelled them “uncooperative crusties”.”

      https://www.cen.uk.com/press-releases-1/2021/2/1/stanley-johnson-joins-cen-as-new-international-ambassador-in-crucial-year-for-the-global-environment

      Stanley Johnson joined the Conservative Environment Network (CEN) on February 1st 2021 as its new ‘International Ambassador’ and is a member of its Steering Committee.

      “He will use this role to champion ambitious international action on climate change and biodiversity loss in the year of two major UN environmental summits. In particular, he will work with CEN to build consensus around strong new global targets to restore nature and to reach net zero greenhouse emissions by 2050 at the latest.”

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        September 19, 2021 2:22 pm

        He will use this role to pay for all the flights he wants to make to holiday destinations of choice.

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        September 22, 2021 11:05 am

        “force a change”? If people want to go Green, then they can. Nothing to stop us becoming vegetarians or refusing to fly or ditching our cars.

        But as ever with the Left, those who disagree don’t get a choice. We have to be “forced”.

        Yet somehow they never notice the fascism they propound.

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      September 19, 2021 12:12 pm

      Trump knew this. That’s why Cho Bide En was installed, like a toilet.

      • Cheshire Red permalink
        September 19, 2021 12:52 pm

        Trump had to be removed ‘at all costs’. Partly by China, who Trump had no fear of, and partly the climate cartels, who were terrified of what Trump was planning on doing to ‘climate change’ orthodoxy in his final 4 years. (Starting with a full-on anti-AGW launch by Dr Will Happer, I believe.)

        Hence he was removed in the biggest election swindle in history. And here we are.

      • September 19, 2021 1:15 pm

        XCheshire Red
        Ye God’s. Trump was an oaf, a complete embarrassment to everyone. Sure he had some good policies but he acted like an #rse most of the time. Any mainstream republican would have wiped the floor with Biden/Harris. If you really thought there was some sort of conspiracy that led to Trump losing the election, show some incontrovertible proof. If you can’t you’re just a conspiracy nutjob and I do a good line in tinfoil hats if you’re after any.

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        September 19, 2021 2:25 pm

        Plus many CR!

      • bobn permalink
        September 20, 2021 2:35 am

        All US Presidents have been (and are) oafs and embarassments. But i agree with cheshire R. If you havent seen the corruption in the US election then i guess you were hibernating last November. In the UK we can stand 6 feet from the counting desks and watch for sculduggery. In the US, in places, they were kept 60ft and beyond from watching the doublecounting and cheating. Some places banned observers so they could cheat easier. The US election made the Russian elections look open and honest!

      • Duker permalink
        September 20, 2021 3:24 am

        “Trump knew this ‘

        What Trump was that ?

        ‘Our relationship with China has now probably never, ever been better,” Trump said, adding that he gets on well with President Xi Jinping. “He’s for China, I’m for the U.S., but other than that, we love each other.”
        or Jan last year
        ‘One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!’
        or
        ‘“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”
        Thats the Trump , in his own words, some dont want to remember

      • Gerry, England permalink
        September 20, 2021 10:48 am

        Dementia Joe Xiden’s ratings have fallen spectacularly and even his supporters and peddlers of anti-Trump lies in the media have been deserting him. A lot of those duped into voting against Trump are regretting it and the Demotwats are in for a pasting in a year’s time.

        The likes of Guy-Johnson no doubt use the legacy media as their source of misinformation on electoral fraud. Other sources have shown all sorts of malpractice being carried out by the Demotwats. A common claim is that no evidence has been submitted in court but since to get that far you have to get past the left-wing gatekeepers that is not such a surprise. A clear indication of being on target is how much the lefties scream about measures to have honest votes in future and block any investigations. If they have nothing to hide then show us.

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        September 22, 2021 11:07 am

        Mr. Guy-Johnson, if you think it’s more important what sort of person a President is then what his.her policies are, then you are an oaf.

        I’d rather my family were healthy, wealthy and safe under an idiot than sick, cold and poor under an angel.

  2. September 19, 2021 11:29 am

    Reblogged this on Roald J. Larsen and commented:
    Of course, climate emergency is only an emergency in countries that are willing to pay .. Doh!

  3. dennisambler permalink
    September 19, 2021 11:41 am

    All the mantras…
    planet-heating carbon emissions
    Rich countries caused most warming
    prevent global heating getting even worse

    The big trick was to get people talking about “carbon” emissions rather than CO2. How ironic that because of the real energy crisis, created by the faux climate crisis, there is currently a shortage of CO2 for food production. Will they now seek to ban carbonated water?

    • Broadlands permalink
      September 19, 2021 1:30 pm

      It is hard to believe but one carbon capture company (Climeworks) has convinced Coca-Cola to use their captured CO2 instead of atmospheric to “save the planet”. Of course, no container of carbonated beverage could help unless it is never opened. Really stupid. Might as well make dry ice over and over, like biofuel ethanol is done.

      https://qz.com/2055951/climeworks-is-opening-the-worlds-biggest-carbon-removal-machine/

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        September 19, 2021 2:30 pm

        Stop it! BL. I nearly spit my lovely Beaujolais out! I am so going to use that. Ta.

      • Duker permalink
        September 20, 2021 3:28 am

        Is it ‘food grade’ captured CO2 at every CC bottling plant in the world ?

  4. Gamecock permalink
    September 19, 2021 11:55 am

    ‘But is the UK, with its world-leading emissions targets’

    BBC’s goal is for UK to be ‘world-leading.’ Category doesn’t matter. It seems neocolonialist.

    ‘Should green campaigners put more pressure on China to slash emissions?’

    Pressure? Green campaigners could put pressure on China?

    They protest in England because England will let them.

    The problem is not the protestors. The problem is media and government paying attention to them.

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      September 19, 2021 12:13 pm

      Mr Nut Nut PM’s insanity is showing.

      • September 19, 2021 1:17 pm

        Using childish names for people doesn’t make you sound clever, it makes you and your argument sound stupid.

      • chriskshaw permalink
        September 19, 2021 6:39 pm

        I think using the accepted, although puerile, name for BoJo and missus is OK and DGJ is being too harsh. Recent actions on CRT and Covid may be argued that he has earned a bit more respect. Actions and words so far on CC counter that.

      • bobn permalink
        September 20, 2021 2:28 am

        I thought Chas was being polite. If you really want to know the low opinion we have of our incontinent PM then ……

  5. It doesn't add up... permalink
    September 19, 2021 12:35 pm

    They may feel inadequate, but why aren’t they demanding that the AUKUS submarines be deployed to threaten China if it won’t reduce emissions? Actually, if you listen to Roger Hallam talking about 6 billion people dying in the next few years, perhaps that’s exactly what he has in mind:provoking a nuclear WW III.

  6. It doesn't add up... permalink
    September 19, 2021 12:41 pm

    Meanwhile, where’s the beef?

    I noted there was an outbreak of BSE on a farm in Somerset in recent days. Suitable mismanagement would provide the perfect excuse to cull our dairy and beef herds, which is about the only way we could possibly meet the 30% reduction in 2020 methane emissions by 2030 that Boris is signing us up to, following his zoom meeting with Biden on Friday.

    Cutting methane emissions may sound innocuous and worthy. But the practical implications are something else.

    • StephenP permalink
      September 19, 2021 2:14 pm

      So if methane emissions are to be reduced by 30% by 2030, and if the cattle herd is to bear its share of the reduction, then there are some interesting side effects.
      The UK has 9.4 million cattle, the USA has 94 million, so a 30% reduction in cattle numbers will be 2.8 and 28 million respectively, by 2030.
      That is a heap of cattle to slaughter per year, so there will be a lot of beef to be eaten.
      As an aside, there are 303 million cattle ( sacred cows to Hindus ) in India, so they would have to reduce their numbers by 91 million. Good luck with trying to persuade the Indians to follow suit.

      An afterthought, there were an estimated 60 million bison/buffalo on the US prairies until the late 1800s before they were mostly shot out, ruminants producing methane, so presumably the effect of killing them was to reduce the amount of methane produced.
      The cattle that replaced them would have restored the original situation as the total weight of biomass would have been similar.

      • It doesn't add up... permalink
        September 19, 2021 3:25 pm

        So far the efforts to reduce emissions have concentrated on other sources, such as fugitive emissions from gas supply and landfill. Further reductions in these areas are going to be increasingly difficult, which will leave the main burden to be borne by the beasts.

      • It doesn't add up... permalink
        September 19, 2021 4:04 pm

        You can play how to cut 30% using this chart (but bear in mind we don’t have the inevitably lower 2020 data yet)

        I think it’s the cows that get it in the neck.

      • Duker permalink
        September 20, 2021 3:35 am

        Thats what beef cattle are used for, they are killed every year….they only live 18-24 months before they become ‘prime’

        However that isnt the issue as the grass they eat takes carbon out of the air anyway. Sure methane is supposed to be ‘worse than ‘ CO2 but it still cant exceed the the carbon from the air that is captured by grass- not all of which is eaten by cows.
        You and I are giving out CO2 right now, do we have reduce the human population too…

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        September 22, 2021 1:24 pm

        I’ve read the claim that the bison were/’are much lower methane emitters. But the problem with cows is the claims about the food chain – though the creator of the original calculation has admitted it was flawed. It’s the are, transport and treatment (e.g. freezing) of beef that must be stopped.

  7. bluecat57 permalink
    September 19, 2021 12:47 pm

    Yes, and thousands if not millions if them should go to China and protest in person to demand it.

  8. Cheshire Red permalink
    September 19, 2021 12:49 pm

    ‘An XR member tweeted accusing me of perpetuating anti-Chinese racist stereotypes and failing to report climate change properly.’

    That had me laughing, as it sums up XR’s absurdity in a single sentence.

    No, no, whatever you do don’t go after the world’s largest CO2 emitter! Anyone who does is a racist! Too pathetic to take seriously.

    Meanwhile they seek to economically destroy the UK and our government (indirectly) endorse them.

    What a time to be alive.

  9. Mad Mike permalink
    September 19, 2021 12:57 pm

    You can always come up with reasons, which would seem reasonable, even laudable, for not pursuing a difficult course of action. Unfortunately those words from XR, and you can be sure that they are the kindest Harrabin could report, come under the weasel category. Bringing racism in to the argument is definitely clutching at straws.

    Comfortably demonstrating not far from your home aided, protected and comforted by a benign police force doesn’t sound like a committed group to me.

  10. William Birch permalink
    September 19, 2021 12:59 pm

    The whole Cold War mantra was the communist nations needed “useful idiots “ . Problem is that whilst XR and their spin off more lunatic mates fall into that category so do many Whitehall civil servants and members of our judiciary. These people have sold out our nations ability to be energy secure.

  11. Broadlands permalink
    September 19, 2021 1:39 pm

    Meanwhile, all these CO2 emitters are helping to make the planet greener, as seen from NASA satellites. More agriculture to feed an increasing population…even these protestors as they drive home emitting their own GHGs from their exhaust pipe, and from both ends of their bodies. How ironic.

  12. 2hmp permalink
    September 19, 2021 4:41 pm

    My carbon capture operative is due here in November for his annual visit. (AKA our chimney sweep)

    • chriskshaw permalink
      September 19, 2021 6:45 pm

      I don’t spose it’s tiny Greta that will be giving your chimney the umbrella treatment? Thought child labor had been outlawed!

  13. Phoenix44 permalink
    September 22, 2021 10:57 am

    Why would he ask XR? They are a fringe bunch of lunatic extremists. Their understanding of geopolitics, science, economics…is limited when we are being polite.

    As for this notion that China should be allowed to continue to knowingly heat the climate because unknowingly we did, that’s utterly illogical. Because they then refuse to admit that wealth depends on cheap energy. The rest is absurd childish nonsense not worth bothering with.

  14. September 22, 2021 12:02 pm

    Why the worry about UK historic CO2? UK population in 1900 was approx 30 million. So current China population is about 50 times greater than average UK 19th C population.

    Assuming an equal carbon foorprint present day China spews out in 2 years the entire 19th century UK CO2 output.

    Any allowance for being late to the game is long past.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      September 22, 2021 1:20 pm

      The point is that the West must decarbonise because that’s what the Greens want – a non-capitalist economy run as they want. Only a handful of people in this game actually care about CO2 as such.

  15. 4 Eyes permalink
    September 22, 2021 1:29 pm

    So blame the consumer of goods, not the producer. Tell that to the logically challenged XRs who blame Exxon, not the petrol consumers.

  16. cookers52 permalink
    September 23, 2021 7:15 am

    Why do we look for logic? when it is obvious none is present.

    We constantly scan the cosmos for any sign of intelligent life, is that because we haven’t detected any yet on Earth.

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