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AEP Loses The Plot (Again)!

October 22, 2021

By Paul Homewood

 

h/t Patsy Lacey

 

AEP is away with the fairies again:

 

 

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/10/20/technology-saves-us-oxford-sees-26-trillion-gain-net-zero/

Try telling that to homeowners who will have to pay tens of thousands of pounds for heat pumps, insulation and electric cars.

This country and the world as a whole are much better off than they were a century ago, principally because of technology, not government diktat.

If all of AEP’s wonderful wind turbines, solar panels, hydrogen and goodness knows what else actually work better than what we have got, then the free market will automatically bring them to the fore anyway.

Without the need for subsidies and mandates.

54 Comments
  1. Tim Leeney permalink
    October 22, 2021 10:53 am

    Exactly. If it doesn’t pay for itself, why would anyone do it? Unless it’s raining money, of course.

    • Curious George permalink
      October 23, 2021 5:23 pm

      Survivors will reap really royal windfalls.

  2. Ray Sanders permalink
    October 22, 2021 11:10 am

    Note to Daily Telegraph…I cannot read this article as I cancelled my subscription years ago following all the drivel you print by AEP. I certainly haven’t lost out but you obviously have!

    • Derek Wood permalink
      October 22, 2021 4:43 pm

      Ray Sanders; Snap!

    • Cheshire Red permalink
      October 22, 2021 7:04 pm

      I had too, ‘though I relented for a ‘3 months for a quid’ offer.
      Mine expires early December for me, at which point I’m out again!

    • Ian Wilson permalink
      October 22, 2021 7:20 pm

      I, too, gave up the Telegraph for similar reasons and today have been rewarded by a superb article on the nonsense of climate alarm, by Richard Littlejohn in the Daily Mail. Through no fault of his it is slightly marred by his editor elsewhere praising Boris Johnson for his ‘leadership’ over climate but I suppose we cannot have it all.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        October 23, 2021 10:53 am

        Today John Humphreys gives his experience on why heat pumps don’t work but sadly spoils it by insisting that we must do something as there is a terrible crisis even though our pitiful contribution to the imaginary problem is dwarfed by China. Once brainwashed by the BBC I guess there is no return. Also sad to see that Modri is going to attend the COP farce instead of boycott it like Putin and Xi.

      • Phil O'Sophical permalink
        October 23, 2021 3:27 pm

        I gave up the Daily Mail when Remainer Greg reduced it to parrot cage lining. Happily I can still read Littlejohn on line. I scrolled a long way down the comments under that article and found just one solitary, and of course notably ignorant, sneer.

  3. 2hmp permalink
    October 22, 2021 11:19 am

    Electric cars are comfortable and quiet a fact recognised from the electric car of Dr.Porsche in the 1890s. But they haven’t taken off because markets select the most efficient and useful to the public.Leave all transport alone and it will in due course arrive at electric cars by choice not Government diktat.

    • Mike Jackson permalink
      October 22, 2021 1:44 pm

      Big problem! By the time that happens the climate scam will have finally been exposed for what it is, probably as the temperature drops a degree or so over the next couple of decades.
      The window available to the scammers is starting to close, partly because climate is refusing to do what it’s told and partly because v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y it is starting to dawn that the cure is many times worse than the disease!
      At a guess COP28 will be about the last time anyone is interested. COP26 looks set to trash Britain’s reputation but only amongst the climate faithful. It will only be temporary and is a price worth paying if it puts the world back on the path of sanity.

      • Coeur de Lion permalink
        October 23, 2021 8:14 am

        My diagnosis exactly, Mike. Taking bets we won’t see 2016El Niño spike again.

    • Chaswarnertoo permalink
      October 22, 2021 1:48 pm

      😎🤣

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      October 22, 2021 4:56 pm

      Not unless range improves massively, fast charging doesn’t ruin the battery and the batteries require replacement after 7-10 years they won’t. Oh and thd cost comes down by 20%. Why would anybody other than a city-exclusive driver buy one?

      And since when were ICE cars not comfortable?

      • Gerry, England permalink
        October 23, 2021 11:01 am

        James May commented in one of his series that the range now for a battery car is the same as at the beginning – 90 miles. To achieve more than that, you have to go into poverty mode where you don’t take any advantage of being in a modern car to eke out the range.

        Costs are only ever going to increase in line with the demand for raw materials that are expensive and dirty to mine, and the likes of the US refuse to mine. And on top of the lithium, cobalt and neodymium, battery cars require far more copper than a real car so the price will soar for that given that with windmills being located miles from their users huge powerlines are needed.

    • Micky R permalink
      October 22, 2021 7:24 pm

      The tax on the energy source for ICE vehicles has been as high as 200% in recent years, where the tax = fixed rate fuel duty and 20% VAT on (pre-tax price + fuel duty) i.e the VAT on the fuel duty is a tax on a tax.

      The tax on the energy source for EVs can be as low as 5% (domestic rate VAT for electricity), therefore the “market” is rigged.

      The forecourt price for petrol/diesel = (pre-tax price + fuel duty) x 1.2 , where the 1.2 is the VAT element.

      What a rip-off 😦

    • October 23, 2021 7:36 am

      2hmp,

      as with heat pumps the efficiency of electric cars is overstated, as the losses in making and supplying electricity are ignored. Also, as our grid is currently, the extra load from these modern wonders adds to gas generation thus CO2 emissions due to the way the grid works.

      And we are discarding much of an existing infrastructure and replacing it at vast cost to all for very little, if any, gain.

  4. JonathanF permalink
    October 22, 2021 11:24 am

    I used to constantly read AEP’s columns, they made sense and then, at some point, they didn’t anymore. His economic reasoning became more unhinged and then he started with the global warming crud, this article being a classic, twisted, case in point.

    • October 22, 2021 1:57 pm

      You can lose the plot as much as you like, as long as you’re doing it in the “right” direction.

    • George Jenatsch permalink
      October 23, 2021 12:07 pm

      Exactly my experience. It is sad to see a first-rate mind lose touch with reality. What happened to him, I wonder?

      • David Ashton permalink
        October 23, 2021 9:48 pm

        He enjoys his invites to Davos too much.

    • Phil O'Sophical permalink
      October 23, 2021 3:34 pm

      There are many media folk and politicians who have sharply changed their stance to align with the billionaire sociopaths’ edicts. A peak at their bank accounts might be revealing.

  5. that man permalink
    October 22, 2021 11:24 am

    The Telegraph closed comments on AEP’s delirium at 757 —probably because nearly every one (including mine) was derogatory. It was fun while it lasted….

    • Andrew Wilkins permalink
      October 24, 2021 5:49 pm

      I too noticed that they closed the comments.
      It obviously hurt AEP’s ego to see that people who read the Telegraph thinks his green idiocy is only good for laughing at. Hopefully the Telegraph will take the hint and stop printing the green rubbish AEP produces.

  6. Ilma630 permalink
    October 22, 2021 11:29 am

    I bet AEP doesn’t read the comments, as the vast majority is telling him it’s complete tosh.

  7. Douglas Dragonfly permalink
    October 22, 2021 11:37 am

    Personal choice by an individual is being removed by government diktat extremely fast.
    This supposed climate change scam is but one major concern people should be having.
    Despite only yesterday being given an example of how the Secretary of State for Energy and Industry is lying to us.
    That’s what it was. No corrections to his statment have been issued despite being proved incorrect.
    Liars and thieves come to mind. It is the same with all of Bozo’s cabinet.
    Take a look at the resent voting on the checks and balances concerning river pollution.
    The can is not just being kicked down the road but into the river while full of waste.
    The geater the research from experts independent of the government, the more sinister this Agenda 21 becomes.

  8. cookers52 permalink
    October 22, 2021 11:47 am

    I am perplexed, Greta tells us the planet is overheating but all we complain about is expensive heating.

  9. Gamecock permalink
    October 22, 2021 11:57 am

    “I know that there are some who say we are going too fast. I say to them first that there is a force out there stronger than government. That force is the market. And the market is going green,” said Boris Johnson, before rolling out his Net Zero Strategy on Tuesday.
    With the right rules and policy signals – and seed money to bring the newest technologies to scale – free enterprise will take care of the problem, guided by Adam Smith’s Hidden Hand.’

    Is it a crime to mash up Adam Smith?

    These bozos don’t even know what ‘the market’ is. Really. ‘With the right rules and policy signals’ is the OPPOSITE of ‘the market.’

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      October 22, 2021 4:58 pm

      Exactly. A market in which had cheaper, better choices and the new choices are prevented by the state is simply not a market. Corelli us to choose between this EV or that EV or this heat pump or being cold is not a market.

      • dave permalink
        October 24, 2021 9:53 am

        Even slaves in Rome were allowed to buy and sell in the market rubbing shoulders with Caesar’s wife. Didn’t make them any the less slaves.

        It was Margaret Thatcher who poisoned the Conservative Party’s well by relentlessly using ‘the market’ as a bad synonym for ‘free enterprise.’ Of course, just like Johnson, she saw the whole system as a framework for her Fascism, which in the economic sphere, by definition, is a plan being laid down by the State whose actual implementation is left to business-men who know which side their bread is buttered on.

  10. October 22, 2021 12:05 pm

    Well of course “the economy” will grow. Let’s say 10 million pensioners spend £30k each out of their pension pots on heat pumps and property refit. That’s £300bn spent in the UK economy, that otherwise would go on cruises ?

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      October 22, 2021 5:05 pm

      Nonsense.
      1. Every part of a heat pump is made here?
      2. The owners of the companies making the profits from heat pumps all live here?
      3. None of the suppliers to cruise ships or shareholders are British?
      4. “Money” doesn’t matter on this way – if it did we could simply print what’s spent on exports. Think of getting a holiday cash from a bank – what happens to the sterling?
      5. Wealth is what we consume. I am as rich consuming a heat pump for £5k or a cruise for £5k – if I value both the same. Wealth for our economy is the sum of all that consumption.

    • Tym fern permalink
      October 22, 2021 9:19 pm

      Have 10 million pensioners got 30K in their ‘pension pots’? I doubt it!

  11. 1saveenergy permalink
    October 22, 2021 12:07 pm

    AEP isn’t so dumb … he gets paid a good salary for writing complete tosh.

    Nobody on here gets a bean for writing truth that will be ignored.

    so who’s the fool ???

    • Graeme No.3 permalink
      October 22, 2021 10:25 pm

      Give him some credit; I (vaguely) recall an article where he predicted the imminent economic collapse of China. That was some years ago as I’ve only had this computer for 6 years.

  12. Gamecock permalink
    October 22, 2021 12:12 pm

    ‘It concluded that the net gain is $26 trillion (£19 trillion), or $14 trillion under cautious assumptions.’

    Now that’s funny!

    For some reason, this makes me think of Austin Powers, “Why trillions when we could make billions?”

    ‘The Oxford report, by the Institute for New Economic Thinking, said global solar costs have been falling by 15pc a year since’

    Have they gotten it to work at night, yet?

    ‘Ditto with lithium batteries.’

    Batteries produce nothing.

    You can’t run a modern economy on solar and batteries. It’s preposterous.

    ‘Unsubsidised new wind and solar have reached parity with fossil fuels across most of the world, cheaper for most of mankind’

    Lie. Wind/solar are subsidised with fossil fuel backup.

    This AEP hokum isn’t intended to educate; it is intended to get you to believe that renewable energy/Net Zero is doable.

    • October 22, 2021 12:49 pm

      Are they quite sure it isn’t the Institute of New Magical Thinking?

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      October 22, 2021 2:51 pm

      I would strongly recommend Leo Smith’s discussion document from Gridwatch concerning the true cost of renewables and intermittency. Its a little out of date on numbers but still well worth a read as it explains the real issues very clearly:

      Click to access Renewable%20Energy%20Limitations.pdf

      AEP needs to read a copy, methinks.

    • Gamecock permalink
      October 24, 2021 10:29 pm

      I figured out why this makes me think of Austin Powers. Embarrassing innumeracy.

  13. John Winward permalink
    October 22, 2021 12:30 pm

    I used to work at Oxford on CO2-related stuff. My colleagues were lovely, and very clever, but almost religiously committed to ‘the cause’.

  14. Harry Davidson permalink
    October 22, 2021 1:19 pm

    For the first time I am beginning to think there may be a real opportunity for the Reform Party. Mr Tice will have to change his suits and stop looking like a teeth and trousers car salesman, but that’s easy. Otherwise he is quite good, and he continues to improve.
    If we go into the next election with all the major parties still pushing this rubbish, there will be a voter’s rebellion.

    • Vernon E permalink
      October 22, 2021 4:03 pm

      Despite all the questions fired at him on GB News about when Farage will return to mainstream politics which he has repeatedly answered negatively, he let slip an involvement with Reform. Is Tice just keeping the seat warm?

  15. It doesn't add up... permalink
    October 22, 2021 3:51 pm

    Shouldn’t this be titled Cyclist demonstrates how useless wind turbines really are?

    https://www.gbnews.uk/news/cop26-pro-cyclist-performs-stunt-on-wind-turbine-to-raise-awareness-of-climate-change/145881

  16. Vernon E permalink
    October 22, 2021 4:06 pm

    AEP has certainly been ready for the men in white coats but now he has lost the plot completely. This article is just rambling incoherence that amounts to net zero.

  17. Vernon E permalink
    October 22, 2021 4:07 pm

    Despite all the questions fired at him on GB News about when Farage will return to mainstream politics which he has repeatedly answered negatively, he let slip an involvement with Reform. Is Tice just keeping the seat warm?

  18. Phoenix44 permalink
    October 22, 2021 5:14 pm

    Hmm. $26 trillion over ten years is a 3% increase to the GLOBAL economy every year.

    Not remotely possible. Pure fantasy. Does nobody sense-check numbers in these reports any more?

    • dave permalink
      October 24, 2021 10:08 am

      Even the best ‘free market goose’ can not lay actual golden eggs. And Johnson et al will never be able to resist interfering long enough to allow it to even try.

      There was an American business leader a while ago who said to the President at the time: “You keep expecting golden eggs. Please tell the fellas who work for you to stop beating the hell out of my goose!”

  19. Mack permalink
    October 22, 2021 6:35 pm

    O/T President Putin’s spokesman has announced that Vlad won’t be pitching up in Glasgow for the eco loon fest. Whilst accepting that ‘climate change’ is one of the most important issues of the day, the spokesman announced that the Russian leader will be far too busy counting wads of cash extracted from ignorant suckers in the West who believe windmills can change the weather, or something like that.

  20. cookers52 permalink
    October 23, 2021 9:14 am

    In the real world, it is becoming very difficult to get things done, delivery of stuff is at best delayed, inflation in prices of everything is beginning to bite hard, prices are rising 10%-15% in a single jump!.
    I have no idea how all this change can happen given the current situation.

    The government are flat footed and floundering, boxed in by net zero and the mistakes of the Brexit Treaty.

    Net zero is a policy that restricts our freedoms much more than EU membership ever did, so well done Boris you really deserve all the hassle, but I suspect you don’t have any idea what to do next.

  21. Douglas Dragonfly permalink
    October 23, 2021 10:51 am

    Perhaps the government’s true goal is job creation rather than heat generation ? By way of installing then repairing.
    As has been pointed out before – the government lie.
    Compulsively.
    I feel for those planning on working from home.

  22. Douglas Dragonfly permalink
    October 23, 2021 10:51 am

    Perhaps the government’s true goal is job creation rather than heat generation ? By way of installing then repairing.
    As has been pointed out before – the government lie.
    Compulsively.
    I feel for those planning on working from home.

  23. Ben Vorlich permalink
    October 23, 2021 11:55 am

    Why didn’t John Humphreys give the greens and politicians a hard time when he was on BBC Today Programme for donkey’s years?

    JOHN HUMPHRYS: My heat pump has me left in the cold… but I’m VERY hot and bothered about the PM’s eco-jollity

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10121865/JOHN-HUMPHRYS-heat-pump-left-cold-Im-hot-bothered-PM.html#comments

    It’s not like he didn’t have multiple opportunities, he could even have given Shukman, Harrabin, McGrath and the rest a bit of a grilling!

  24. chriskshaw permalink
    October 23, 2021 1:56 pm

    OT,
    Malcolm Robert’s, the Ozzy senator, lets rip in the parliament

  25. David Wojick permalink
    October 23, 2021 3:56 pm

    Keep in mind that if net zero costs 50 billion a year the people who will get that money are all for it! Treating cost as a benefit is absurd.
    https://www.cfact.org/2021/10/22/laughing-at-climate-hysteria/

  26. October 26, 2021 9:44 pm

    AEP shit?

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