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Mercedes owner ‘horrified’ new battery will cost him £15,000 – more than the car is worth

January 26, 2022

By Paul Homewood

 

From Leicester Mercury:

 

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Ranjit Singh believed he was doing his bit for the environment when he bought a second-hand Mercedes Benz hybrid car four years ago – thinking its lower CO2 emissions meant it was greener than the alternatives.

However, he was stunned when the battery on the eight-year-old car failed recently and he was quoted £15,000 for a replacement – more than the current value of the car itself.

Ranjit, 63, who lives in the Knighton area of Leicester, bought the vehicle at a Mercedes Benz dealership for £27,000. An avid Mercedes fan, he was convinced he was doing the right thing by choosing a more environmentally-friendly car.

At the time of purchase, the car had done 49,000 miles and worked a treat until this year, he told LeicestershireLive this week.

He says he got the car checked by Mercedes Benz and was told that the battery had come to the end of its life after just eight years of motoring.

The car owner claims he was quoted £15,000 for a battery replacement – excluding labour costs which he was quoted would be roughly around £200 an hour.

He told LeicestershireLive: "I have always been a Mercedes customer and loved the cars they produce and we bought the car for its reliability.

"I’m horrified by what has happened. I feel I now have just two options – scrap the eight-year-old car or spend more than it is worth.

"We checked on Auto Trader and it says the car value now stands at just £12,850."

Mr Singh claimed that he went to see a hybrid specialist who advised him there was nothing else he could do and that there was no cheaper repair available.

According to Mr Singh, the specialist himself owned a 2018 Mercedes-Benz Hybrid and has the same problem.

He added: "We also looked online at Mercedes-Benz forums, and found a lot of people facing the same issues. I fear this is only

going to get worse."

Mr Singh claims the battery died after just eight years

Mr Singh’s daughter, Ramnik Kaur, 36, works in the motoring industry herself.

She said: "Dad is very disappointed, stressed and doesn’t know what to do with the car. As a a retired person, he doesn’t have that kind of money.

"Any reasonable person wouldn’t expect a car that costs £27,000 would have a battery that would die after eight years.

"It almost feels like mis-selling on Mercedes’ part. Had we known this expense was possible at the outset, he would not have purchased it in the first place.

"This information is not readily available and I’ve only found people discussing it in online forums."

However, Mercedes Benz says information is available online and customers are informed of the battery certificate upon purchasing.

A spokesperson told LeicestershireLive: "We have based the general information below on a 2014 Mercedes-Benz E-Class mild hybrid with a 125V high voltage battery, rather than a plug-in hybrid.

"In 2014, the 125V high voltage battery was covered by the standard three year manufacturer’s warranty (unlimited mileage).

"Without the background information, we are unable to comment on why the high voltage battery required replacement in this particular case.

"Outside influences can contribute to reduced battery life, for example, operating conditions of the car, accidents, repairs and general maintenance.

"When purchasing a new or used hybrid car from a Mercedes-Benz Retailer, customers are informed of the battery certificate, which is alongside the warranty information on the Owners’ Area of the Mercedes-Benz Cars UK website and the smart.com website."

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/mercedes-owner-horrified-new-battery-6545540

 

Because EVs are much more expensive new, it has been assumed by finance companies that second hand values will be commensurately higher.

This is a stark reminder that this is nonsense. Either second hand buyers will be stung, or the banks financing EVs will be in for a big shock.

77 Comments
  1. January 26, 2022 9:56 pm

    Effectively they will only be fit for the scrap heap when the battery packs in. Talk about built in obsolescence!

  2. Ian Magness permalink
    January 26, 2022 9:58 pm

    This story should surprise nobody who had done their homework on this subject and the only reason we haven’t seen far more of these stories is that these types of cars are only now beginning to get toward normal life cycles. Given the failure rates on BEV batteries, plus the fact that the batteries for big BEVs can cost way over £20,000, a significant percentage of cars will be effectively worthless within a few years of buying. Fantastic! Yet one more ludicrously expensive aspect of the drive for net zero that the pubic is only just beginning to understand.

    • Mack permalink
      January 26, 2022 10:07 pm

      Spot on Ian. And once the ‘man in the street’ learns that the resale value could be worth diddly squat, what sane individual (that Ant afford to be a virtue signaller) will waste their money on a brand new EV? Unless HMG bans second hand ICE vehicles or makes petrol & diesel prohibitively expensive at the pumps, some ‘old skool’ second hand car dealers are about to become as rich as Croessus!

      • Mack permalink
        January 26, 2022 10:10 pm

        Sorry, that should read ‘ that can’t afford to be a virtue signaller’!

      • 4 Eyes permalink
        January 27, 2022 12:00 am

        In South Australia the (conservative) government is planning on switching the fleet to EVs so that after 4 years the plebs can save the environment by buying the used Govt EVs.

    • Robert Christopher permalink
      January 27, 2022 5:33 pm

      “Any reasonable person wouldn’t expect a car that costs £27,000 would have a battery that would die after eight years.”

      Apparently, both you and I are not reasonable people. 🙂

      The quote is from someone who “works in the motoring industry herself”.

      (I need to get legal advice before I type any more. 🙂 )

  3. 2hmp permalink
    January 26, 2022 10:01 pm

    EVs are emotions rather than common sense

  4. ThinkingScientist permalink
    January 26, 2022 10:02 pm

    What’s the betting that if you decide to scrap the vehicle there is a huge disposal fee for the battery?

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 27, 2022 10:27 am

      Good spot!

  5. January 26, 2022 10:16 pm

    Not sure about this as quoted cost of battery from dealer looks excessive, its the same for all sorts of other things as well. I was once quoted £3750 for dealer repairs to a 5 year old car just out of warranty, but got the same thing done elsewhere for £200 labour + £100 for the same parts from a scrap dealer.

    Reasonably assuming this car has done another 49k miles in the owners hands on top of the 49k already done.
    At 100k+ miles and 8 years old even if this car had a relatively minor body damage accident it would be written off.

    No great fan of electric vehicles but I don’t think this is a valid

    • Ian Magness permalink
      January 26, 2022 11:05 pm

      I’m afraid it is valid Cookers.
      You just can’t get off-market batteries the way you can, say, brakes and exhausts. Doesn’t work like that. A mechanic I know has had to train especially to work on the large batteries on the cars his employer sells. He tells me it’s all specialist stuff and the labour costs are big. It doesn’t help that you need a heavy lifting device to remove a battery from a car to work on – some of the batteries are 6′ long and extremely heavy. Usually, it is only cells within a battery that go in the early years, not the whole thing. Trouble is, even a cell in a battery can cost over £2,000 to replace inclusive of labour. Whole batteries can and do fail, however. It’s just a question of when. From all that I have read, 8 years will not be at all unusual. As I implied in my comment above, we can expect many more of these stories from now on.

    • ron permalink
      January 27, 2022 4:25 am

      I have a twelve year old car with a one hundred and eighty thousand miles on it. It runs perfectly fine. I am very careful how I drive it. The only way to be careful with a battery is to not cycle it. In other words, don’t use it too much.

      The thing to remember about that battery is that it didn’t suddenly die. It just got less and less effective at accepting and retaining a full charge. Which is to say its range got dramatically smaller every year until it finally served no useful purpose at all. More and more charging. Less and less availability. All that charging costs money as well as time.

      Batteries always fail over time. The more you use them, the less they last. How can anyone be surprised? For that matter what does anyone think is going to happen with those schemes to have giant battery systems to power cities in the event of supply power loss?

    • StephenP permalink
      January 27, 2022 7:28 am

      Are you suggesting that one could get the car written off by the insurance company if one had an accident just before the battery is likely to reach the end of its life?
      This could lead to a lot of “accidents” and cost the insurance companies a fortune.
      Just a thought.

      • magesox permalink
        January 27, 2022 8:58 am

        Interesting thought Stephen but the insurance companies employ enough intelligent people to work this one out pretty quickly. All it means is that the depreciation rates on cars will rocket so that if someone tries this little scam, the insurance companies will say “it was worth £0 anyway” and then double your premia for any future insurances”.

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        January 27, 2022 10:16 am

        Which theyvwill recoup through higher premiums.

      • StephenP permalink
        January 27, 2022 11:31 am

        Of course, higher premiums which we will all have to contribute to, including those with ICE vehicles.

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      January 27, 2022 8:29 am

      Consumers are already starting to realise the dangers that buying a cheap replacement battery online for their Dyson can result in either very rapid failure in just a few months or, worse, a fire. And that’s for a relatively high volume domestic product which is easier to copy.

      Can’t see an aftermarket in large car batteries developing anytime soon, if ever, nor any car manufacturer allowing a thrid battery to be fitted to their vehicles. If it goes wrong, its like fitting a bomb to your car.

      • ThinkingScientist permalink
        January 27, 2022 8:47 am

        “….allowing a third party battery to be fitted….”

        Still need an edit function! I would blame autocorrect, but clearly that gives the wrong word correctly spelled, not the right word wrongly spelled!

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 27, 2022 10:17 am

      Plenty of claims around that replacement batteries cost £10,000 and upwards. You need to buy new.

  6. T Walker permalink
    January 26, 2022 10:21 pm

    The economics of EVs will be as bad as you say, but 70% of cars (minimum) are now PCP and you never own the vehicle at all. The manufacturers will have to get their residual values judged correctly or they will end up will a lot of cars worth less than the vehicle owes them.

    In the early days of PCP it was Mercedes who got their figures wrong and ended up with massive losses on vehicles the punters walked away from after three years.

    My current Euro 6 diesel might be my last car – I hope.

  7. Cheshire Red permalink
    January 26, 2022 10:22 pm

    As the car is 8 years old this would likely fall outside of contract hire terms or a manufacturers warranty, with the only real question being the level of legal protection offered to private owner-buyers.

    If a car is bought on finance there may be obligations from the loan company to the buyer. I don’t know for sure; I’m speculating.

    Otherwise it’s definitely buyer beware!

  8. Broadlands permalink
    January 26, 2022 10:29 pm

    Mr Singh claims the battery died after just eight years.

    I’m not familiar with these EV batteries, but a conventional car battery rarely last five years before giving up. So eight years might be pretty good? It’s the cost of replacement that’s high. Some retailers add in the cost of disposal of the dead battery to the cost of the new one.

    • Realist permalink
      January 27, 2022 11:34 am

      But conventional batteries don’t cost thousands to replace. And the vehicle will still run without one if it is a proper car (petrol or diesel) with manual transmission that you can push start or leave parked on a slope.
      The problem with hybrids is that they are automatic transmissions, not to mention that the range of the electric motor is effectively a reserve. A jerrycan of petrol or diesel would weigh less and provide more range.

  9. Coeur de Lion permalink
    January 26, 2022 10:30 pm

    EVs are about £10,000 more expensive than the ICE equivalent. Oh but I save fuel costs. My AdBlu diesel goes about 80,000 miles for ten grand.

  10. Ian PRSY permalink
    January 26, 2022 10:37 pm

    Nobody seems to have told local authorities and the like, who are replacing Diesel vehicles with electric and claim it’s value for money for the taxpayer.

    • dearieme permalink
      January 26, 2022 11:28 pm

      What local authorities do is often a useful contra-indicator for what the rational man would do.

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      January 27, 2022 8:30 am

      It doesn’t matter Ian. Local authorities only spend other people’s money and are exempt from any consequences.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        January 27, 2022 11:22 am

        And local authorities are full of complete idiots – I know as I have to work among them. There are some normal people but in transport the morons rule. The section manager when discussing the problems we have caused for deliveries to pubs and bars seriously believes that delivering kegs and casks by bicycle is an option.

    • Dave Ward permalink
      January 27, 2022 7:43 pm

      Wasn’t there a recent story about dozens of EV’s bought for council officials to use, gathering dust & rust in a field somewhere? I think it was Paris.

  11. Martin Vargas permalink
    January 26, 2022 10:45 pm

    Neil,

    Yes they do, i believe one of the better ones is W221 or W222 that is a S430 non 4-Matic that did no make it to the USA gets like 50 or 60miles per gallon.

    Look it up in Wikipedia under S-Class you will see the MPGs

    As for the battery, all of those battery packs can be rebuilt (opened up. If I can do for other things, others can do it).

    Martin

    Sent from my iPhone

    >

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 27, 2022 10:19 am

      How are you going to make the lithium metal that has formed from the lithium ions become lithium ions again?

  12. roger permalink
    January 26, 2022 10:52 pm

    In the meantime the price in Yuan for lithium marches inexorably upwards on a daily basis, having risen 25% per tonne this January already, adding to the 500% rise last year.
    Is anyone in Westminster watching this astonishing rise and computing its effect on the viability of EVs or are they too busy yah booing about parties.
    EG., if a battery was £4000 a year ago, how much is it now?

    • January 26, 2022 11:49 pm

      Lithium is only a few per cent of the weight of a lithium-ion battery. I think the cobalt and nickel cost more than the lithium.
      Lithium is 0.002% of the weight of Earth’s crust and is about 0.2ppm in seawater. It’s not particularly rare in terms of abundance, it’s just that there are not many concentrated sources.

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      January 27, 2022 11:11 am

      Here’s my attempt at costing. Lithium carbonate Li2CO3 is 14/74ths Li by weight, and therefore we can say the Li cost is about 5.3 times as much, which is about $300/kg based on $57/kg for the carbonate. A typical battery cathode composition can be written as LiNi0.5Mn0.3Co0.2O2 for an overall molecular weight of 98. Nickel is about $22/kg, and Cobalt $72/kg, and we can ignore the manganese and oxygen as being trivial in cost. The overall cost is therefore (300×7) + (22x59x0.5) + (72x59x0.2) or 2100+649+849.6 or a total of $3,600 for 98kg. Cobalt and nickel have roughly doubled, while lithium has increased 9 times, so the cathode cost would have been about $230 for the lithium and $750 for the rest, or about $1,000. So cathodes have increased by a factor of ~3.6. There is also a graphite shortage for the anodes – and it turns out that China controls 100% of the global graphite flake production. I can’t find an up to date anode price but it seems likely that prices will have doubled. One battery costing I found from earlier was roughly 1/3rd cathode, 1/6th anode and the balance for plant, manufacturing, labour, packaging etc. So we are looking at a cost factor of 3.6/3+2/6+1/2 if we assume other costs are unchanged. That’s almost exactly double.

  13. dearieme permalink
    January 26, 2022 11:30 pm

    It’s time for a revolutionary wound-up-rubber-band advance in car design. The car can be “re-charged” overnight by the family hamster on his wheel. Or by children who wake at 6:00 and can be put on a treadmill.

  14. dodgy geezer permalink
    January 26, 2022 11:36 pm

    Go Green Get Rooked…

  15. dodgy geezer permalink
    January 26, 2022 11:39 pm

    He could just buy a lot of AAs from Pound Shop….

  16. tygrus permalink
    January 26, 2022 11:59 pm

    Eventually some DIY will disassemble & replace the individual cells to make a new battery for a fraction of the price. Some cells may keep 90% capacity but just a few cells with <60% (or completely failed) drags the total usable capacity down to the worst cell in a series.
    If you had enough bad battery packs you can test & grade the individual cells to make slightly fewer packs but each would have a group of more similar usable capacity cells. You send the bad cells to recycling. For example: You may have a pack of cells with about 92% usable capacity, another pack with 88%, another pack with 84%.

    YMMV, you take personal safety risks when attempting this yourself, 3rd party replacements will void any warranty (which has probably already expired).

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 27, 2022 10:24 am

      And what “fraction” would it be? 90%? 5%?

      And on what costs are you basing this claim?

  17. John Hultquist permalink
    January 27, 2022 3:25 am

    “Mr Singh claims the battery died after just eight years”

    I’ve always had those dirty gas using autos sold in the USA. They come with small batteries that last about 5 years. Then I replace them with ones that last about 8 years. Other parts get maintained and replaced as needed. A few things can be fixed with duct tape (something moves that shouldn’t) and light oil (should move but doesn’t). Everything else cost money.

  18. January 27, 2022 4:45 am

    Sorry Mr Singh, this is a classic case of no good deed goes unpunished

  19. Sobaken permalink
    January 27, 2022 4:58 am

    I am curious, if this is a hybrid, can’t you simply remove the battery from it and use it as a conventional car? Or is it one of those hybrids where there is only electric motor propelling the car, and a diesel generator is charging the battery?

  20. col1664 permalink
    January 27, 2022 7:09 am

    There is some information missing here surely? The car is 8 years old but Mr Singh bought it as used didn’t he. 49,000 miles on the clock. So how long has he actually owned the car, how many miles has he covered and what did the dealer say was the likely replacement time for the batteries which had done 49,000 miles? He paid £27,000 and it looks like a new E300 hybrid estate was about £40,000.

    • ThinkingScientist permalink
      January 27, 2022 8:37 am

      The article is a little confusing but all the info is there:

      He bought the car second hand 4 years ago from a M-B dealer for £27,000
      Now its four years later and the car is 8 years old and needs a new battery for £15,000
      At eight years old the vehicle has a resale value (if the battery was working) of £12,850

      So if he replaces the battery the capital cost of the vehicle to him will be £42,000 but his residual value is currently only £12,850. So that tells us that he should have bought a new one originally….but decisions are always better with hindsight, eh?

  21. Jordan permalink
    January 27, 2022 8:50 am

    £15000 is expensive, but he can look forward to free electricity if he is choosy about his charging stations. He is shocked at the cost of his battery. I find it shocking that free electricity is available to EV drivers when energy is in short supply and expensive.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      January 27, 2022 10:31 am

      That’s free in the same sense as the NHS is free.

  22. January 27, 2022 9:08 am

    Heard it all before…

    Watch: Tesla Owner Told Repairs Will Cost 20,000 Euros. He Chose Dynamite

    So batteries on secondhand EVs may not last a long time. Who knew?

    • jimlemaistre permalink
      January 27, 2022 11:36 pm

      Amazing video . . . Thanks for that !!

  23. Phoenix44 permalink
    January 27, 2022 10:30 am

    It amazes me the finance companies thought resale values would be higher. I buy a second-hand car based on what I can afford. Thus the total value of the market is set by the aggregate of that. You can’t simply assume the market is going to be 20% bigger.

    • Jordan permalink
      January 27, 2022 11:24 am

      Well yes, we can simply assume the market is going to be 20% bigger if we consider this to be justified by our expectations.
      None of us have a crystal ball to predict the future. We make financial and other decisions on the assumptions we find most persuasive. These could be right or wrong, and we all then have to live with the consequences.
      The shortage of supply of IC engine cars right now is another example. It’s severe enough for my dealership to try to coax me to sell my car for a price not far from what I paid over 3 years ago. Whodda thunk.
      Does this make me a lucky winner? No. Selling would have added me to the queue of buyers. I made an assumption when I turned away from the cash, even though I expect today’s price spike will eventually pass.

  24. Nial permalink
    January 27, 2022 10:40 am

    I have owned a number of Volvos and been very happy with them.
    You can’t not walk into a Volvo dealership and buy a Petrol or Diesel variant, and what you can get is _very_ expensive.

    My current XC60 (which I do like) is my last one.

    • Nial permalink
      January 27, 2022 10:40 am

      You cant now….

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      January 27, 2022 11:20 am

      Now that Volvo are owned by Geely the Chinese can force EVs and all the associated profits for the materials to make them on customers.

  25. Dave Ward permalink
    January 27, 2022 11:14 am

    “Eventually some DIY will disassemble & replace the individual cells to make a new battery for a fraction of the price”

    A perusal of YouTube reveals there is already a thriving market for failing EV battery packs – enterprising DIY’ers use them to build their own Tesla style “Power Walls”. And an ex Tesla employee is doing surprising repairs & re-builds to Tesla cars. The biggest problem is the way that manufacturers now “Lock” or “Code” nearly every major component to the vehicle VIN number – this affects ALL types of car, not just EV’s. Defeating this software is more of a challenge than the mechanics of re-building battery packs.

  26. Stephen Wilde permalink
    January 27, 2022 11:23 am

    Meanwhile, I’m still driving my Mercedes 500 SEC from 1988 having owned it since 1994.
    I know which has been best for the environment overall.

  27. Gerry, England permalink
    January 27, 2022 11:25 am

    I wonder if he could fit an engine? I have seen a trailer for a tv series where some retard is ruining nice cars – even a Porsche – by fitting a battery powered motor. So could there be a reverse process to make a battery car useful. A bit like converting a veggie dish to normal by adding some meat!

  28. Mikehig permalink
    January 27, 2022 11:42 am

    There may be some misunderstandings flying around here.
    This is a “mild hybrid”. That means it has a small battery (by EV standards) which recuperates energy when the car slows and uses it to assist propulsion, all in the name of efficiency. It cannot be plugged in to charge unless the description is wrong. The battery is a very different beast to an EV set-up: probably only 1 – 2 kWh and a few kgs.

    As Sobaken says above, it might possible to carry on driving the car as just a normal machine, albeit lugging around the defunct kit. What might block that is if the car uses an integrated starter-generator which relies on the hybrid battery to start the car.
    Then the obvious solution is to find a car which has been damaged beyond repair and recover the battery. That would probably need a bit of trickery to get the car’s computers to “talk” to a different battery but not a deal-breaker as it happens with other components.

  29. Gamecock permalink
    January 27, 2022 11:55 am

    Why did the Leicester Mercury print this? It’s not news. It’s not interesting. I can’t find a point.

    ‘Ranjit Singh believed he was doing his bit for the environment when he bought a second-hand Mercedes Benz hybrid car four years ago – thinking its lower CO2 emissions meant it was greener than the alternatives.’

    Maybe the point is “Don’t be a virtue signaler unless you can afford it.”

    Mr Singh was out of his league. Bad form to whine about the cost of virtue signalling.

  30. dearieme permalink
    January 27, 2022 12:14 pm

    ‘He told LeicestershireLive: ” …we bought the car for its reliability”.

    For reliability you want a Jap or Korean car, my son, not Kraut Krap. The days when they were better put together are long gone.

  31. January 27, 2022 12:24 pm

    Another grim reminder of the Electric Vehicle confidence trick. Those who have bought into this junk science will be made very poor by governments.

  32. Messenger permalink
    January 27, 2022 12:43 pm

    The future.

    • dearieme permalink
      January 28, 2022 8:20 pm

      “Seven hours without a fuel stop”: but surely with at least one pee and coffee stop?

      Anyway, the ruddy things are pretty obviously limited to short local journeys – children to school and so on; a second car for a prosperous family that wants to indulge in a spot of virtue signalling.

      • Realist permalink
        January 29, 2022 3:21 pm

        Look at it this way. Diesel or even petrol gives you more hours of actual use between refills and ten minutes (not hours to recharge EVs) to refill irrespective of the mixture of “short* and *long” journeys”.

  33. It doesn't add up... permalink
    January 27, 2022 1:02 pm

    Surely it’s time for a class action suit?

  34. bluecat57 permalink
    January 27, 2022 1:10 pm

    The joy of unintended consequences.
    Hmm, sounds like a great idea for a blog.
    Copyright 2022 Thee Frugal Curmudgeon.

  35. January 27, 2022 1:50 pm

    This story is very curious since it is about a hybrid car, not an EV. Hybrid cars have much smaller batteries than full EVs so it seems extraordinary that the battery for a hybrid could cost so much to replace. Is it made of Gold?? The replacement battery for a Toyota Prius hybrid is of the order of £2K – £3K, from my reading.

    I note the following comments made about the Jaguar I-Pace, Jaguar’s full EV, which I think competes with some of Tesla’s offerings, in the £65-£75K price bracket:

    “…unlike most other electric vehicles, and you won’t ever need to replace the I-Pace’s battery pack.” At least, that’s the view of Dr Wolfgang Ziebart, Technical Design Director Product Development at Jaguar.

    “We expect the battery will last the entire lifetime of the car. If you look at the specification of the cells – 1000 cycles of full-span zero-to-100 per cent – that’s what the battery pack can do.

    In our case, as we have a range of 500km, 1000 cycles would mean the battery has a life of 500,000km, which should exceed the life of the vehicle.”

    OK, I suspect there is an element of rose-tinted specs going on here, but even if the total life of the battery were only 60% of that quoted, then 300,000km is still further than many family cars go in their lifetime.

    The quote is certainly revealing of the thinking of folk in the car industry with respect to EVs. What happens if you have an accident and the battery pack needs replacing due to damage is anyone’s guess.

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 27, 2022 1:56 pm

      “Should” isn’t a guarantee.

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 27, 2022 2:02 pm

      “so it seems extraordinary that the battery for a hybrid could cost so much to replace. Is it made of Gold??”

      It’s made of Mercedes.

  36. cookers52 permalink
    January 27, 2022 6:00 pm

    New Toyota Hybrids come with a 10 year 100k miles warranty on the battery pack.

  37. Lizzie permalink
    January 27, 2022 6:57 pm

    I was amazed when a fellow cyclist told me, while I was parking mine, that he had got himself a £3000 new electric mountain bike, and told me that a new battery would cost £700. Bonkers.

  38. BLACK PEARL permalink
    January 27, 2022 8:33 pm

    And what do they do with the old battery —–> landfill !
    (along with all the solar panels & composite wind turbine blades)
    May be able to extract some of the lithium salt, but I wonder how much energy will be required and at what cost.
    Also what about all the 100’s of thousands of batteries in all the near useless battery powered vacuums thanks to EU mandates.
    Bring back proper plug in ones (Sounds like a campaign) 🙂

    • Gamecock permalink
      January 27, 2022 10:33 pm

      “Bring back proper plug in ones (Sounds like a campaign)”

      A good campaign makes good money for the campaigners.

  39. Neil Pryke permalink
    January 28, 2022 8:07 am

    Even the batteries on “stop-start” vehicles last about half as long as vehicles without “stop-start”, and they cost more. So much for saving the environment.

  40. Realist permalink
    January 28, 2022 1:04 pm

    Stop Start is also dangerous. It should be disabled as default. Even better if not there at all in the first place.

  41. January 28, 2022 9:44 pm

    Coming to the end of its life…
    Good for another 50,000 miles then.

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