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90% Have No Intention Of Buying Electric Cars

February 28, 2022

By Paul Homewood

h/t Ian Magness

 

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Maybe somebody might explain one day why the AA President, who traditionally was supposed to look after members’ interests is so determined to get rid of the cars that the vast majority of his members want to drive?

 

Meanwhile, the fact that only 10% plan to buy an electric car by 2027 is a disaster for both the government’s plans, as well as motor manufacturers who who will need to invest billions before then to set up assembly lines and retool. As they will also have to drastically cut back on production of conventional cars at the same time, many drivers will be forced to buy imported cars.

I simply cannot see how the car industry can go from selling 300,000 cars a year, to 3 million in the space of a couple of years.

Also interesting to see that one in five are planning to buy a hybrid, double the number of plug in electrics. Given that all hybrids will be banned by 2035 anyway, this surely is a dead end sector. Why on earth would manufacturers spend billions developing hybrid technology and production lines, when hybrids have no long term future?

37 Comments
  1. February 28, 2022 11:03 am

    Though it’s a great way to control the population by removing their ability to travel and work.

  2. Dr Ken Pollock permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:05 am

    And don’t mention the propensity of EVs to catch fire, in a way that can’t be put out – see the car transporter on fire in the Atlantic, with hundreds of expensive cars reduced to ashes. Oh, and don’t leave your EV on charge unsupervised, as advised by the boss of GM. Apart from that, brilliant idea!
    Even Christian Horner of Red Bull Racing doe not want EVs in F1, and prefers hydrogen…One problem with EVs is they do not make a good noise – see Formula E!
    Still if HMG wants us to drive them, what hope do we have of changing that? Quite a lot actually, once someone shows them the maths and engineering involved – most of our leaders are strangers to thermodynamics after all!!!

    • Ben Vorlich permalink
      February 28, 2022 11:26 am

      They are strangers to simple arithmetic also.

      • Dr Ken Pollock permalink
        February 28, 2022 11:33 am

        Ben, Love it. Made me chuckle…Wish it were not true!

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      February 28, 2022 1:47 pm

      It would take take the immolation of a senior government minister in an EV to make them change their minds. And even then, I have my doubts….

  3. Jack Broughton permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:07 am

    Most new car purchases are company vehicles: these can easily be “incentivised” by changes in tax laws. The interesting issue that will arise is the second hand trading of these after 1-3 years.

    I think that this will make writing-off the asset necessary as opposed to just writing it down.
    Whatever way you look at electric cars they are a massive extra cost to the populace to replace perfectly good, well developed vehicles based entirely on a fanciful CO2 hypothesis.

  4. Andrew Harding permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:12 am

    I have absolutely no intention of buying a car that, takes hours as opposed to minutes, to re-fuel, has a range dependent upon the ambient temperature and may spontaneously combust without any warning, emitting Hydrofluoric Acid!

    • Gerry, England permalink
      February 28, 2022 1:15 pm

      And has a battery that will only last about 8 years with the replacement cost being more than the car is worth.

  5. bobn permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:15 am

    Of course all these fantasy dates of when ICE and hybrid cars will be banned are subject to change when the political wind doesnt blow and the power cuts kick in.

    • Gamecock permalink
      February 28, 2022 4:41 pm

      The hubris is hysterical. Government today telling the people of 2050 what they will have to do.

      Imagine directives passed by legislators in 1994 telling us how we have to live today. As if they get a vote.

  6. Mad Mike permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:16 am

    From anecdotal evidence it seems the current boost of EV sales is down to the fact that leasing costs of EVs can be paid out of before tax income whereas leasing an ICE car is paid for out of taxed income. It’s an obvious and huge advantage and, once again, skewers the market in favour of EVs

    Even so it seems that only 10% are thinking of buying an EV so even the Government should get a hint here that something is drastically wrong with the concept of an EV society

  7. Martin Brumby permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:33 am

    So another British organisation, the AA, is now revealed to have a Quisling in charge.

    Edmund King.

    I wonder if he is a relative of Dopey David?

    • Gerry, England permalink
      February 28, 2022 1:16 pm

      The problem is that the AA and RAC are now just businesses as opposed to their original status.

      • dave permalink
        March 2, 2022 8:47 am

        “…just businesses…”

        The AA patrols occasionally saluted the badge on my father’s car with a rather exaggerated motion..

        “Cor! Do they know you were a Naval Officer?”

        “Don’t be silly. Now watch for the.Police car!”

  8. Tammly permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:47 am

    I think that our elites are well aware of these facts,

    1). The majority of the population will not be able to afford an electric car.

    2) There are not the raw materials in the entire planet to even provide a one to one exchange of cars for everyone who now drives a conventional car -IN BRITAIN.

    So their solution? Most of you will not be allowed to have cars.

    Good luck with that!!

    • Dr Ken Pollock permalink
      February 28, 2022 12:00 pm

      You may be right, but these days cars last very well. When did you last see a rusty car? So buy a new one in 2029 and it could last you till 2050! Plenty of time for the whole scam to be proven fiction! The one thing you can be sure of is that the populace will not want to be separated from their cars. Although I admit I write as someone who used to produce Top Gear…

      • MrGrimNasty permalink
        February 28, 2022 12:18 pm

        My car will be 20 years old next year and drives like new with no rust. It has easily got another 150k miles in it. The only problem is all the little plastic components – all the bits in the locks, window winders, cup holders, switches – absolutely everything – they’re all going brittle and break if you so much as look at them. It’s the plastics that will kill it.

      • dave permalink
        March 2, 2022 8:54 am

        “…little plastic components…”

        I foresee steady employment for 3-D printers!

  9. Bloke down the pub permalink
    February 28, 2022 11:58 am

    Increases in domestic energy bills will, no doubt, have an impact on potential buyers decision.

  10. Gerry, England permalink
    February 28, 2022 1:21 pm

    I think a lot of battery cars are bought as a second car so that there is always a real car available when required.

    I think there is a mixture of hybrids where only some have an engine that drives the wheels. My neighbour has a huge hydrid SUV with a 2ltr engine so can function fine without the battery. Somebody has pointed out that these tend to be safer and longer life Nickel Metal Hydride. The tax break did see a lot of them used as company cars and when sold on still had the charge cable unopened in the boot.

    • Gamecock permalink
      February 28, 2022 4:46 pm

      “I think a lot of battery cars are bought as a second car”

      My observations from my perch in South Carolina says this is absolutely correct. I have never seen or heard of anyone having an EV as an only car.

  11. Micky R permalink
    February 28, 2022 1:29 pm

    “>
    Maybe somebody might explain one day why the AA President, who traditionally was supposed to look after members’ interests is so determined to get rid of the cars that the vast majority of his members want to drive?
    <"

    It's been a long time since the AA effectively represented motorists. The primary purpose of the AA is to sell products to motorists and non-motorists.

    • Dr Ken Pollock permalink
      February 28, 2022 1:59 pm

      Micky R, very true. I was a member for years but realised that the organisation was much more interested in their “Drive” magazine and selling me stuff, as opposed to helping me at the roadside.
      But I used to respect Edmund King, in his previous job, but he now seems totally supportive of HMG’s effort to get us all to use public transport. Then we will not need the AA…

    • Keith permalink
      February 28, 2022 5:52 pm

      I believe King drives an EV so no biased comments then.

  12. Gamecock permalink
    February 28, 2022 4:50 pm

    Telling an AA surveyor that you are going to buy an EV in the next five years costs infinitely less than buying an EV.

  13. kjbirby permalink
    February 28, 2022 4:52 pm

    The same statistic but re-written gives the headline a quite different look: ‘90% of drivers have no intention to go electric in the next five years’.

  14. The Informed Consumer permalink
    February 28, 2022 6:47 pm

    Just travelled from Glasgow to the SE of England today. The only EV’s I saw were crawling along in lane 1 (slow lane) presumably to conserve their batteries as it was cold and wet.

    I did the 430 mile trip on one tank of diesel, at speeds up to 95mph where I could, with over a quarter of a tank to spare.

    The trip took 7 hours. It would have taken 6 hours but I was trapped behind a wide load for over an hour (20mph – 30mph) which consisted of two wind turbine blades (not the really big ones) and a short section of tower.

    To say I was spitting blood is a masterful understatement!

    The only consolation is that whilst crawling along the M74 I had plenty of time to admire the ranks of non functioning windmills along Turbine Alley.

  15. jimlemaistre permalink
    February 28, 2022 7:28 pm

    Contrary to popular belief . . . Electric Cars . . . cause to be burned at least 15% more CO2 than gas cars, size for size. This is based on US numbers . . . but remember they have vast hydro generation facilities and massive solar and wind generating facilities . . . on Average 1.19 lbs. of CO2 is burned for every kwh of electricity produced . . .

    https://www.academia.edu/62574334/Tesla_Versus_Toyota_Camry

    https://www.academia.edu/49057069/Electric_Cars_Burn_31_More_Energy_than_Gas_Cars

  16. February 28, 2022 9:32 pm

    I have a new Toyota self charging hybrid so in effect its a petrol car, you just get 60 mpg.

    Its performance and comfort is faultless, no problem with range, didn’t cost any more than a petrol only car, and has ten year 100k mile warranty on everything including the batteries.

    Why wouldn’t you want one?

    • NOEngineer permalink
      March 1, 2022 10:44 am

      Just bought a new non-plug hybrid SUV from Toyota. 50% better mileage, equal acceleration and better warranty compared to the 6-cyl gas version, and only $1,400 more. I figure the gas cost savings will pay for the difference in less than 1/3 of the warranty period. NiMH batteries, so minimal fire risk. Mileage increase is achieved by recapturing braking energy as electricity, so really free not just cost shifted from someone else’s pocket. Thought about doing this 10 years ago, but the cost differential then was >$10,000 and technology was unproven. I see this as similar to fuel injection versus carburetor when first introduced. I figure this vehicle will last me until the green hysteria has run its course. , and by then this technology will be as widespread as fuel injection….

  17. Graeme No.3 permalink
    February 28, 2022 9:37 pm

    The good news!!!!
    The Australian newspaper for last weekend (of February) included an insert about electric cars.
    Not only are they going to drop in price but the new batteries will hold more charge (but will charge from a normal household plug in 4 hours) so have a better range (of some importance in Australia). Not only that but those batteries would be able to power your house during times when renewables weren’t supplying, and as a bonus the collective batteries would also stabilise the electricity grid. (simple arithmetic shows that 20 million batteries would supply the (east) Australian grid for less than a minute proving Ben Vorlich’s assertion above).

    I did the right thing and placed the insert in the recycling bin, not the one where it belonged.

    • jimlemaistre permalink
      February 28, 2022 9:49 pm

      Glad you recycled that . . . Sh!t . . .

      Everything manufactured has two costs associated with them . . .

      ‘Embedded Costs’ and ‘Operating Costs’ . . .

      Both must be examined by their merits . . . and by their failures . . .

      One Lithium-Ion battery in one Electric Car weighs about 1,000 lbs. They each contain at least 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and about 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. In those batteries there are about 6,800 individual lithium-ion cells.

      This should concern us all ! These toxic components all come from mining. While manufacturing each Electric Car battery, we process about 25,000 pounds of brine to make the lithium. 30,000 pounds of cobalt ore. 5,000 pounds of nickel ore, and 25,000 pounds of copper ore. All told, we dig up 85,000 Lbs of the earth’s crust . . . for just . . . ONE . . . Electric Car Battery . . . To store 100 kwh of Electricity that took 128 kwh of production.

      From . . . https://www.academia.edu/71023588/Batteries_Renewable_Energy_and_EV_s_The_Ultimate_in_Environmental_Destruction

    • Dave Andrews permalink
      March 1, 2022 5:25 pm

      The International Energy Agency (IEA) recently published a Commentary on EVs (30.1.22) which noted that in 2021 the price of steel rose by up to 100%, aluminium c. 70%, copper over 33%, lithium carbonate by 150%, graphite 15% and nickel 25%. All these are required to build EVs and the IEA says the world faces potential shortages of lithium and cobalt used in the manufacture of EV batteries as early as 2025.

      EVs will not be coming down in price in the foreseeable future

      • jimlemaistre permalink
        March 1, 2022 5:42 pm

        Well said Mr. Andrews . . .

        Furthermore, for those of us who are getting all excited about Electric Cars and the ‘Green Revolution’, We must ALL take a much closer look at Batteries and Wind Turbines and Solar Panels and EV’s. These technologies all share environmentally destructive ‘Embedded Costs’, that rarely ever get discussed. Everything manufactured has two costs associated with them, ‘Embedded Costs’ and ‘Operating Costs’ . . . both must be examined by their merits . . . and by their failures . . .

        One Lithium-Ion battery in one Electric Car weighs about 1,000 lbs. They each contain at least 25 pounds of lithium, 60 pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and about 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. In those batteries there are about 6,800 individual lithium-ion cells.

        This should concern us all ! These toxic components all come from mining. While manufacturing each Electric Car battery, we process about 25,000 pounds of brine to make the lithium. 30,000 pounds of cobalt ore. 5,000 pounds of nickel ore, and 25,000 pounds of copper ore. All told, we dig up 85,000 Lbs of the earth’s crust . . . for just . . . ONE . . . Electric Car Battery . . . To store 100 kwh of Electricity that took 128 kwh of production.

        Let that one sink in . . . Oh, did we mention toxicity, disease or child labor. 68% of the world’s Cobalt, a very important part of every EV battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls. Furthermore, they employ children who often get sick and even die from handling this toxic material. Should we take these diseased children into account as part of the cost of driving an electric car? . . . Dam straight . . . we must!

        The ‘Embedded Costs’ come from Energy use producing those components as well. Embedded Costs also come from environmental destruction, pollution, radiation, disease, child labor, and the inability to recycle those Used Batteries or Wind Turbine Blades or Solar Panels. No Excuses!

        From . . . https://www.academia.edu/71023588/Batteries_Renewable_Energy_and_EV_s_The_Ultimate_in_Environmental_Destruction

        My Thoughts . . . .

  18. Realist permalink
    March 1, 2022 2:21 pm

    Hardly surprising that the vast majority are not interested in electric cars.. Who in their right mind would buy anything that is LESS practical and simultaneously more expensive than what already exists?

  19. March 1, 2022 2:27 pm

    The only people I know buying electric are company owners, who buy themselves a Jaguar e-Pace and their employees a Leaf. The corporate tax advantages are so great. But out of their own pocket? Nobody.

  20. March 2, 2022 8:51 am

    9am R4 More or Less
    – How long do you have to drive an electric car to offset the pollution from making the battery?

    – the perplexing claim that the Chagos Islands are 100 metres below sea level.

    – Boris bashing : are the prime minister’s parliamentary claims about growing numbers of NHS staff backed up by data?

    – How reliable are the figures coming out of the conflict in Ukraine?

    – Do we really make 35,000 decisions a day?

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