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David King’s 10,000 Heatwave Deaths Never Happened

September 5, 2022

By Paul Homewood

 

Quite why anybody gives air time to David King is a mystery. He has been an utterly discredited little man for many years now:

 

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Former Government Chief Scientist Sir David King has told LBC that up to 10,000 excess deaths have to be anticipated during Monday and Tuesday’s heatwave when a new UK record temperature could be set.

The Met Office has warned that people’s lives could be at risk as they gave an 80% chance of the mercury topping the UK’s record temperature of 38.7C (101.7F) on Tuesday, which was set in Cambridge in 2019.

Cabinet Office Minister Kit Malthouse is to chair a second meeting of the Government’s Cobra civil contingencies committee to discuss the impending heatwave.

Temperatures will climb over the weekend, and the Met Office has issued an amber warning for heat covering much of England and Wales from Sunday until Tuesday.

Speaking to Matt Frei, Sir David said: "We’re a country with relatively high humidity… High humidity, high temperatures, quite simply that’s higher than the body temperature should be.

"If you are even in the shade outdoors at 40 degrees centigrade and 80% humidity, you won’t live for very long."

"We just can’t get rid of the excess heat," he added.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/matt-frei/excess-deaths-heatwave-uk-weather-national-emergency-temperatures-40c/

His claims of 10,000 deaths has been completely repudiated by the actual data from ONS:

 

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https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/latest

Age-standardised mortality rates in July 2022 were statistically no different to July 2021, or for that matter any other July in the last decade.

And if we look at each month this year, we find that the ASMR is at its lowest in July, as you would expect in summer.

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For the record, excluding COVID, there were 42,970 deaths in England & Wales in July 2022, compared with 42,201 in July 2021. I think if there had really been 10,000 excess deaths they would have stuck out like a sore thumb!

71 Comments
  1. bobn permalink
    September 5, 2022 6:19 pm

    Off subject, but here is a good summary of EU / UK politically created energy crisis.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/europes-energy-crisis-was-created-political-interventionism

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      September 6, 2022 12:57 am

      If only you could buy an adequate battery system for a mere 2 billion euros. 2 trillion isn’t going to cut it. At €500/kWh the 500TWh you would need comes to €250 trillion.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        September 6, 2022 10:24 am

        And then only if there are sufficient mineral deposits available to make the batteries.

    • daveR permalink
      September 6, 2022 12:57 pm

      Re ‘deliberate’ energy crises, here’s a recent blog post suggesting how current politics earlier decided EU/UN energy policy direction

      https://www.globalresearch.ca/europe-energy-armageddon-from-berlin-brussels-not-moscow/5792005

      ‘It is not because politicians like Scholz or German Green Economy Minister Robert Habeck, nor EU Commission Green Energy Vice President Frans Timmermans are stupid or clueless. Corrupt and dishonest, maybe yes. They know exactly what they are doing. They are reading a script. It is all part of the EU plan to deindustrialize one of the most energy-efficient industrial concentrations on the planet. This is the UN Green Agenda 2030 otherwise known as Klaus Schwab’s Great Reset.’

  2. Paul B permalink
    September 5, 2022 6:21 pm

    Save us from David King. Pompous and disingenuous man.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      September 5, 2022 7:43 pm

      If you put ‘disingenuous’ through a spellcheck it returns ‘Liar’. Who am I to argue….

  3. bobn permalink
    September 5, 2022 6:30 pm

    He really is a complete moron.
    “If you are even in the shade outdoors at 40 degrees centigrade and 80% humidity, you won’t live for very long.”
    So how do they survive in the south east of the USA and other tropical regions where their summers routinely exceed these parameters every year.
    Its appalling when these talking heads just make stuff up to appear grandiose.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      September 5, 2022 7:47 pm

      When I lived in North Carolina (40 years ago) I camped on Myrtle Beach SC. At 23:00 one night it was reported to be 90 Deg F with 95% humidity. Yet here I am, still standing.

  4. September 5, 2022 6:46 pm

    I know David King personally though not well. He is a decent chap but I often differ from his views. He seems to put unrealistic faith in models; forgetting GIGO

    • devonblueboy permalink
      September 5, 2022 6:59 pm

      Decent chap or not, he seems to have set a low bar as to the level of scientific knowledge required of a Government Chief Scientist. Remind me again if this level of knowledge improved with the incumbent Chief Scientist during the Covid hysteria?

      • September 5, 2022 7:24 pm

        It would be better if we had more politicians with science degrees. Sadly Liz is yet another PPE.
        The Blessed Maggie was of course an Oxford Chemist – like David King.
        Perhaps Jamie Wallis will follow in her high heeled footsteps

      • September 5, 2022 8:59 pm

        “It would be better if we had more politicians with science degrees.”

        Not if “Sir” King sets the standard it wouldn’t!
        Our cat knows more science than him, it seems.

      • HotScot permalink
        September 5, 2022 9:04 pm

        Liz Truss is an accountant. Unlike many of our politicians she’s actually worked for a living. And as an accountant she’ll recognise the numbers associated with NetZero, wind turbines, EV’s, Heat Pump’s etc. and if she doesn’t, we’ll know for certain she’s playing political games.

        As far as I’m concerned, she’s the lesser of two evils, the greater being Sunak.

        However, I thought that when Trump was elected in 2016, until he began to deliver on his manifesto promises.

        Hopefully Truss will take a leaf out of Trump’s book and surprise us all.

      • Gamecock permalink
        September 5, 2022 10:44 pm

        “It would be better if we had more politicians with science degrees.”

        Not really. They would need degrees in many, many fields. Finance and accounting would be good starts.

        What politicians need to understand is that they are ignorant twerps. They know nothing. They need to feel that the power invested in them is inappropriate. ∴, they should only act in the most extreme cases.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        September 6, 2022 10:28 am

        A good spread of engineers is what is really needed which would kill off a lot of the Nut Zero crap and not possible.

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        September 6, 2022 10:55 am

        I don’t understand what a “Chief Scientist” is supposed to be? As you advance as a scientists. you tend to become more and more specialised. Nobody wins a Nobel Prize for general science. So either a Chief Scientists knows a great deal about very little or is a pretty poor scientist. Either way, what’s the point?

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        September 6, 2022 11:03 am

        People keep saying “we need more engineers” – presumably because they are engineers? But who is building wind turbines and heat pumps if not engineers? Who is suggesting carbon capture if not engineers? Who is designing batteries and EVs if not engineers? And who worked on things that went way over budget or didn’t work very well – the Channel Tunnel, Concorde, the Space Shuttles that blew up, the Mars probes that crashed – if not engineers? I can’t see how engineers are somehow the pragmatic gods that are claimed. As with scientists, they are human so have all the same foibles and are just as prone to hubris, ego, idealism, delusion etc as PPE graduates. What is wrong with Net Zero is the economics – it will cost far, far more than its possible benefits, and plenty of economists have demonstrated that. The same with Covid, regardless of what worked or didn’t, the major problem was economic – lockdowns cost far, far more than their possible benefits. But instead for both Net Zero and Covid we have wild claims of “cost” that are not actually cost and vague estimates – if any – of actual costs that we all have to bear right now.

      • September 6, 2022 3:16 pm

        “Who is suggesting carbon capture if not engineers?”

        Politicians and policymakers with little or no real understanding of the implications of their decisions.

        Engineers build what they are contracted to build and have very little input into the actual decisions that dictate that nor are they necessarily qualified to have any.

        In any case, they are usually at the very bottom of the decision tree and are derided as ignorant thickos with grease under their fingernails who usually tell the “intelligentsia” why it can’t be done.

        I speak from experience, incidentally.

    • bobn permalink
      September 5, 2022 7:14 pm

      He may be a decent chap but he’s still a moron.

  5. September 5, 2022 7:01 pm

    BBC Climate Editor Justin Rowlatt 18th July 2022:

    “Climate change: Heat deaths could triple by 2050”

    “We’ve been telling the government for over 10 years that we are nothing like well enough prepared in the UK for the really hot weather we are seeing now,” Baroness Brown, deputy chair of the Climate Change Committee, told the BBC.

    “We really do need to address the overheating risk in peoples’ homes.”

    The Climate Change Committee says that more than half a million new homes liable to overheating have been built in the UK since it first raised the issue almost a decade ago.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62179678

    If only the same Climate Change Committee that campaigned for years for homes to be better insulated and draughtproofed to keep the heat in, realised that that insulation also prevents the heat emissions from their human occupants (at rest approx 100-120 Watts) plus all electrical appliances, lights etc, from escaping in warm weather.

    As an aside: who knows of folk who leave their electric fan running when they’re not in the room “to keep the room cool”? 😉

    • September 5, 2022 9:07 pm

      Yep – we do. Current daytime temperatures here are 35 degrees (Valencia, Spain). We open all the doors and windows – we’re on the fifth floor of an apartment block – and run the fans in most rooms. Despite your cynicism, I can tell you that it works.

      • Mike Jackson permalink
        September 5, 2022 9:58 pm

        On the other hand you could always close windows and shutters on the sunny side of the house and open them on the shady side and make sure you have a through draught through the bedroom(s) at night.
        Daytime temperatures (southern Burgundy) this summer have ranged from 32 to 38 and that system also works. And it’s cheaper!

      • Joe Public permalink
        September 5, 2022 11:45 pm

        A fan’s motor adds heat to a room. The benefit of a fan to humans is that the increased airflow induces evaporative heat loss from exposed skin. For folk in the room and in the airflow, the benefits of the latter generally exceed the disadvantage of the former.

        The situation you describe is to increase the air-change rate of the room(s). Unless those rooms’ temperatures are already above 35degC, using the fans to increase the flow of outside air at 35C will warm not cool those rooms.

        As MJ points out, minimising solar (radiative) gain from the sunny side of a building, even at the expense of reducing incoming (warm) airflow, is thermodynamically advantageous.

      • September 6, 2022 2:02 am

        Well, I go to sea… And here’s us thinkin’ that we were feeling cooler. Must be an optical delusion.

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        September 6, 2022 11:07 am

        You need to write a paper on that for a Physics journal then.

        Here in southern France its mid thirties and everyone keeps their shutters and windows closed. We have indoor and outdoor temperature sensors and we monitor the differential to know when to open windows – early morning only. We currently have a ten degree difference between outside and inside.

      • Ben Vorlich permalink
        September 6, 2022 1:26 pm

        @Mike Jackson, we lived in Limousin for almost 10 years. Do what the locals do is good advice.
        Since coming back to Derby I miss those shutters. Most expats in our area did not use their shutters, which we found very strange. Most of our grandchildren loved the ritual of opening and closing them.

      • September 6, 2022 6:49 pm

        As I look out over our vista of the city from our balcony, I see all the shutters closed. Odd, because we face south so they are facing north. However, having lived here fifteen years, I have never seen the shutters move on any of the buildings – they are effectively permanently closed. Which is probably why a lot of folk around here wear sunglasses even when there’s no sun. And probably get very little benefit from the daylight. Very sad.

    • It doesn't add up... permalink
      September 6, 2022 1:16 am

      Strategy I employed was to hang reflective groundsheets outside the sunny side windows, close up the house and use fans for personal evaporative cooling (you can supplement by having them blow over water/ice if humidity is reasonably low) during the day. Once outside temperatures fell below inside, open everything up. Use the fans to ensure a through draught to draw the cooler night air through the house, blowing in from the patio and out the diametrically opposite back door in sympathy with the direction of such breeze as might be.

      Result was house cooled to a couple of degrees F above outside temperature at dawn (e.g. 65F inside 63F at dawn minimum outside), inside gradually crept up over the day, but remained comfortable below 78F until a couple of hours before sunset despite 95F outside. Highest indoor temperature was 81F.

    • dennisambler permalink
      September 6, 2022 4:32 pm

      “we are nothing like well enough prepared in the UK for the really hot weather we are seeing now,” Baroness Brown, deputy chair of the Climate Change Committee, told the BBC.”

      That’s why she keeps pushing for those big fans to cool us down, many of them made by the company that pays her £40k a year as a director, Orsted.

  6. Martin Brumby permalink
    September 5, 2022 7:12 pm

    King should be sent to Sharm el-Sheikh immediately for a couple of months, in a cheap, non air-conditioned flop house.

    It is the least our brave “Scientists” and COP27 N.G.O. scam artists should expect, for someone of Sir David’s reputation to test the water for them.

    Where would we be if the whole 30,000 pegged it from heat stress?

    The only kind thing I can say about this fifth rate Drama Queen is that he possibly a little brighter (if just as dishonest) as the other King Twerp we are likely to have to endure before long.

    Can’t we have Queen Anne II? Pretty please?

    • dennisambler permalink
      September 6, 2022 5:04 pm

      He seems to prefer Rwanda, maybe he is an Arsenal supporter:
      https://www.the-ies.org/about_us/sir-david-king
      “Professor Sir David King is a Partner of SYSTEMIQ and Senior Strategy Adviser to the President of Rwanda. He was the UK Government Chief Scientific Adviser, 2000-2007, the Foreign Secretary’s Special Representative on Climate Change, 2013-2017, working with 165 Climate Change Attaches in UK Embassies, and Chair of Future Cities Catapult, 2012-2016.”

      Other IES “Fellows” include Caroline Lucas, Jonathan Porritt, Tony Juniper and Professor Bob Watson, former Climate adviser to Clinton-Gore, former World Bank Climate Adviser, former head of IPCC before Pachauri and a major alarmist. Probably it’s Watson that gives King his climate “info”.

  7. September 5, 2022 7:26 pm

    No wonder the BBC rolls him out on a regular basis. He will say anything that agrees with their climate change bias.

    • September 5, 2022 7:33 pm

      Yes sadly he does seem to have drunk the climate change kool-aid.

      IIUC for the UK Climate Change means warmer summers GOOD and milder ALSO GOOD albeit wetter winters. So build more reservoirs to store the extra rain for the dry summers. As we already have here in North Wales with Lake Bala meaning no thought of hosepipe bans.

  8. Harry Passfield permalink
    September 5, 2022 7:51 pm

    Paul: Point of order. I used the word ‘liar’ in a comment (but not directed at anyone) and got bounced – yet the comment before me called King a ‘moron’…..

    • bobn permalink
      September 6, 2022 12:59 am

      Ah, but just because he mouths untruths you cant call him a liar, for he likely doesnt know he’s talking rubbish. However you can call him a moron for speaking evidentially false statements. All a matter of intent. A liar intends to talk falsely, a moron just does it because their low intellect doesnt know they’re talking garbage. A moron is just an unfortunate idiot, which Sirrr D King is, as evidenced by his own words.

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        September 6, 2022 4:20 pm

        😁🤔

    • Julian Flood permalink
      September 6, 2022 6:06 am

      Liar implies deliberation, moron is an attribute. So the poor knight has no fault in the latter case.

      JF

      • dave permalink
        September 6, 2022 3:30 pm

        “…moron is an attribute.”

        Scoring 75 to 85 on standard intelligence tests. However, I feel there are people, originally of normal intelligence, who choose to be morons. That is, they deliberately under-achieve in the thinking department, until the thinking department goes out of business entirely.

        Meanwhile, another week in the U.K.’s mortality statistics
        (Week ended August 26), another 1,646 ‘excess deaths’ (Office for National Statistics’ words). Deaths classified on the medical certificate as ‘primarily due to Covid-19’ – only about 300.
        This situation seems to have little to do with our ever-present ‘NHS backlog.’ The overall death rate simply shot up at the beginning of June and it stays high.

        How can we expect the British people to notice scientific fallacies about climate and cry ‘foul,’ when they do not even notice granny dropping dead?

    • Gerry, England permalink
      September 6, 2022 10:32 am

      Truth seems to be a variable concept these days. Look at the sad Duchess of Woke and ‘her truth’ which is sadly becoming a widespread concept among the Woke. Therefore, you can’t be a liar if you are sharing ‘your truth’. To square the circle though, the best liars are always those who truly believe in their lies. Maybe King is a lying moron?

  9. eastdevonoldie permalink
    September 5, 2022 7:52 pm

    At the recent eco-loon ‘invasion’ of Parliament The XR spokesman (a retired Met Detective) interviewed by GN News cited the figure of 1000 deaths during the recent 2 day ‘heatwave’ to back up his Climate Emergency claim.
    Some way short of the 10k but spot on for the AMSR figure – I wonder where he plucked his 1000 figure from?

    • devonblueboy permalink
      September 6, 2022 7:02 am

      His/her/its backside?

  10. Coeur de Lion permalink
    September 5, 2022 7:58 pm

    What about Lord Stern who wants to abolish all ICE’s, the poor sad mad old thing

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      September 6, 2022 11:11 am

      The thing I detest about Stern is that he pretended to be a disinterested party to write his report. Only later did he reveal himself to be a fully signed up eco-loon. His absurd discount rates bear significant responsibility for the Climate Change nonsense entering the mainstream. Had he been honest and used proper discount rates, we would have done nothing at all by now because the costs today would have far outweighed the discounted costs in 50 years time.

  11. Ray Sanders permalink
    September 5, 2022 8:02 pm

    So? the next time he is wheeled out by the BBC for his “scientific opinion” can the interviewer start by saying something like – “the last time we consulted you, the claim of 10,000 excess summer deaths was completely wrong so why should we believe you now ” After all they will no doubt start off reminding Liz Truss or others of previous statements so why should he get a free ride?
    Perhaps though he may not be easily contactable in future on account of his moving to Antarctica

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      September 5, 2022 9:19 pm

      Or maybe, they’ll just get Joe Lycett on to make cynical and snide, juvenile comments about his ability. Yep. That’s where BBC is heading…into irrelevance.

      • September 6, 2022 3:51 pm

        “Yep. That’s where BBC is heading…into irrelevance.”

        It succeeded in that decades ago.

    • Julian Flood permalink
      September 6, 2022 6:09 am

      The BBC using an interview to ascertain facts rather than push an agenda? You must be joking!

      JF

      • woodburner0 permalink
        September 6, 2022 6:22 am

        Put him in front of Mark Steyn at GB News…

      • Gerry, England permalink
        September 6, 2022 10:34 am

        You have to go a long way back in history to when BBC News was a respected body and not the entertainment outfit it now is.

  12. September 5, 2022 8:54 pm

    Tells us all we need to know about Government “scientists” and “The Science” that, doesn’t it?

    • woodburner0 permalink
      September 6, 2022 3:27 am

      Uptick…

  13. Stephen H permalink
    September 5, 2022 10:19 pm

    “If you are even in the shade outdoors at 40 degrees centigrade and 80% humidity, you won’t live for very long.”
    King could simply not be more misleading, if he tried. The humidity on the hottest day was exceptionally low-I recall seeing a figure of 19%-hardly surprising given the cause of said event was a blast of air from the Sahara.
    Even at a high of 40C that gives an unremarkable wet bulb around 21C.
    (I’ve lived with a wet bulb in the region of 33C for weeks in SE Asia’s oppressive humidity)

  14. Dr. John Happs permalink
    September 6, 2022 3:41 am

    Here is my take on King and other knighted “experts”

    Sir David King, The UK’s Extreme Weathervane.
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2013/09/sir-david-king-uks-extreme-weathervane/

    Four Knights And Their Tales Of Climate Lies And Exaggeration
    https://papundits.wordpress.com/2022/03/14/four-knights-and-their-tales-of-climate-lies-and-exaggeration/

    • September 6, 2022 10:25 am

      Thank you so much for these excellent links

    • A+man+of+no+rank permalink
      September 6, 2022 12:50 pm

      Thanks for your excellent stories Dr.John. Of all your impressive summaries I particularly enjoy the detail in your ‘King goes to Russia’ story.

    • September 6, 2022 2:55 pm

      “Predictions for the next 20 years are even worse than predicted.”

      I thought English was supposed to be his first language…

  15. trevor collins permalink
    September 6, 2022 4:37 am

    perhaps he should the story from the US? Electric Car runs out of puff out side a coal mine! glad to say, the miners came to the party and pushed it off the road. from Trevor New Zealand

  16. September 6, 2022 7:06 am

    On 29th August while waiting for a flight I had to sit through 15-20 minutes of pure climate porn fantasy from the BBC promoting a nostalgic climatageddon montage from the 19th August.
    It was as if this was their drug and they needed a fix and as they have such high opinions of themselves they decided you needed it to. Quite why we were treated to a rerun of it on 29th August I have no idea but perhaps they were in their humanities graduate way trying to link it to rain during a monsoon in Pakistan. They had little useful footage but what they had was rolled in a loop of a house burning (it was in the middle of a lot of other houses which had not burned so how they linked that to climatageddon except by date is anyone’s guess). We were treated to burning grass and people putting water on their heads and also their dogs. It was pure theatre and what was “impressive” about it was that the message was repeated over and over again in deep solemn voices together with furrowed brows. This is 1984, pure Stalinist methods of indoctrination. Their mentors in the Kremlin must be proud of them
    I also notice the words “record temperature(S) plural used constantly by the BBC and their acolytes but as far as I can tell this only occured at RAF (they omitted to mention that) Coninsby. Also, they do not say “temperature in England” but record “UK” temperatures which is not only clearly wilfully misleading but factually incorrect. The idea was to set the scene that from The northern tip of the Shetlands to Land’s End the country was in a conflagration. The BBC were clearly going for broke as they tried to instil the idea that over 40 degrees there is spontaneous combustion taking place.

    Where were all the deaths? Given that the climate religion runs on 95% “might be” and “could” maybe we will be treated to some worthless death modeling next time.

    No doubt they will “celebrate” the anniversary of that “day of horror” when lots of bad things “might have” happened. I betcha we get a rerun during the Year in Review on Dec 31 when we are all freezing to death.

    If you missed any of it…. here are some parts of the indoctrination you may have missed….remember you will be tested on it.

    Heatwave: Fires blaze after UK passes 40C for first time
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62217282

    What a thoroughly irresponsible headline and including a house fire in the middle of a terrace.WHY is the ombudsman not pulling them up because of it? They tell us about a “surge” in fires but as usual do not qualify this statement. This is NOT news but their distorted climate fantasy. They really want this to happen. These people are sick and who every is writing this garbage should not be allowed anywhere near broadcasting. What kind of psychopaths think it is reasonable to mess with the minds of children as does that worrying school teacher in Northumberland? Worst of all she has two degrees supposedly in Geology! Clearly understanding the subject was not part of her examination!

    https://thetimeshub.in/in-britain-for-the-first-time-recorded-temperatures-above-40-degrees/15566/

    Just when you think they cannot get more broken and more in need of defunding they achieve a new high on the climate propaganda promotion index.

    • September 6, 2022 7:09 am

      Forgot to mention that there were “two” locations RAF Coningsbury and of course their old faithful Heathrow. Concrete and asphalt are their greatest friends.

      • Chaswarnertoo permalink
        September 6, 2022 7:57 am

        As were a flight of 4 Typhoons taking off, one assumes on reheat.

  17. Les Saunders permalink
    September 6, 2022 9:33 am

    This was the idiot who wanted us to live in Antarctica.

  18. ancientpopeye permalink
    September 6, 2022 10:05 am

    Good Lord, save us from experts, please.

  19. September 6, 2022 10:06 am

    More expert lies.

  20. ROY HARTWELL permalink
    September 6, 2022 10:13 am

    The ‘Climategeddon’ resurfaced again yesterday as we were told ‘severe thunderstorms will sweep across Britain with a threat to life’. I can remember going back to my childhood (in the days of blackandwhite TV and two stations !) of many summers with spectacular thunderstorms. More remarkable for me were the MANY summers in the eighties/nineties with nary a thunderstorm all year !!

    • Gerry, England permalink
      September 6, 2022 10:41 am

      I turn 60 today and when you read all that bollocks it would seem to be a miracle that I have made it this far. In my first year it was the brutal winter of 62-63, grew up with ice on the bedroom windows of a morning, survived the summer of 76, have only lived in a fully central heated house since 2015, not to mention in infamous ‘there won’t be a hurricane’.

      • September 6, 2022 12:39 pm

        You youngsters don’t know how lucky you are! Those of us born in ’47 or earlier will recall the snow in May 1947. And riding our bikes across the River Thames at Hampton Court in 1963 🤣🤣

      • September 6, 2022 4:34 pm

        In the 1979-1980 winter, up here in the Dales I rode my motorcycle through seven calendar months of snowfall, for at least three of them was permanent snow cover over many local roads.
        I got to the point I barely noticed it!

  21. 2hmp permalink
    September 7, 2022 4:15 pm

    Having consulted a senior wrangler I am told that just one death is ‘up to 10,000’

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