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Vancouver’s New Virtue Signalling Fire Engine–Useless, But At Least It Won’t Wake The Neighbours Up!

September 7, 2022

By Paul Homewood


h/t Dave Ward

Coming to a fire brigade near you!



Want a glimpse of just how cultist North American governments have become over all things “green,” especially electric vehicles? Vancouver is giddy about being the first city in the country to receive an all-electric fire truck.

How is that cultist?

Well, the new e-truck will cost $300,000 more than a comparable diesel model, pump 40 per cent less water and have such a short range (30 km) because of its enormous weight that it will have to have backup diesel power in case it runs out of juice on the way to a blaze.

But, the city points out, it won’t give off diesel fumes and will be much quieter than existing diesel fire trucks. Oh, yeah, cause that’s what I’m most concerned about when my house is on fire – that the pumper might be a little too loud and stinky for the neighbours.

  1. M fraser permalink
    September 7, 2022 9:32 pm

    My grandson has a battery fire engine as well, however, its plastic so not very ‘green’ but at least $300k cheaper and probably as useful! More lunacy.

    • John Hultquist permalink
      September 7, 2022 9:46 pm

      That $300k was the difference, not the cost. Your grandson can pocket another $$$$$$$!

  2. John Hultquist permalink
    September 7, 2022 9:49 pm

    Either green or with bright red and orange flames.
    Best use: give kids rides at parades and other festivities.

  3. tomo permalink
    September 7, 2022 9:57 pm

    Noiseless huh?

    A silent siren be like jazz hands to avoid clapping etcetera.

    Will the 🌈 livery be sponsored by a local business?

  4. Gamecock permalink
    September 7, 2022 10:13 pm

    Government has found its responsibilities to be BORING. So it’s going to do all other sorts of things. And none of what the taxpayers are paying to do.

    Sooner or later, the taxpayers will say, “I ain’t payin’ for this $#|+ any more!”

  5. St3ve permalink
    September 7, 2022 10:14 pm

    Just like our boys in blue in Northampton – saddled with expensive electric motorcycles with limited range.
    To be fair the bikes do have video cameras on, so OK for videoing their mates doing the Macarena at carnivals.

    • W Flood permalink
      September 8, 2022 8:15 am

      Police are following a number of leads but none of them are long enough.

      • Mike permalink
        September 8, 2022 9:46 am


  6. Curious George permalink
    September 7, 2022 10:31 pm

    Are these fire engines mass-produced, or is it a special order for Vancouver BC?

    • Gerry, England permalink
      September 8, 2022 10:52 am

      They are unlikely to be what you would consider ‘mass produced’ as municipal vehicle production is low level. As these are a niche product for ecoloons they are likely to be at a very low level but with the battery costs, always going to be way more expensive and a lot less useful.

  7. September 7, 2022 10:38 pm

    They must hope the batteries don’t catch fire. That would be a PR disaster.

    • Orde Solomons permalink
      September 8, 2022 7:35 am

      It amazes me that these people have the time and money to squander technological resources in this manner!

    • W Flood permalink
      September 8, 2022 8:16 am

      Fire! Can you hang on we’re just charging the battery.

  8. MrGrimNasty permalink
    September 7, 2022 10:43 pm

    This one passed me by I think.
    It’s the old only using waste scam.
    If marmalade gets hard to find or very expensive, blame climate change……. fighting!

    • Graeme No.3 permalink
      September 7, 2022 11:14 pm

      Starting slowly. 35 tons of oranges out of 5,700 tons of waste i.e. 0.06%
      And they are turning them into METHANE ( evil, debbil gas ) – wait until Greta hears about that, or worse, the Extinction Rebellion mob will use it as an excuse to spend the winter in Seville.

      • Ben Vorlich permalink
        September 8, 2022 7:21 am

        Does anyone know where to get Seville Oranges? I like to make Marmalade I haven’t been able to find any recently. Shop bought is not the same.

      • Mike Jackson permalink
        September 8, 2022 9:32 am

        Ben Vorlich … Wrong time of year. First two weeks of January is the season.
        Which makes this Guardian story a little dubious.
        (You can make good Scotch marmalade with ordinary oranges. ‘Er indoors just happens to have some on the shopping list this week!!)

  9. September 7, 2022 10:49 pm

    I certainly hope these trucks are ordered with the carbon-based fuel engine back-up for when they run out of juice on the way to the fire. That way the fire engine can make it all the way to the fire, AND have power to squirt some water to extinguish the polluting, smokey flames from those pesky fires. The most important thing here is to be green. “We are green! Shout it loud, Shout it proud !” Sorry about your house, Mam. We just got caught up in the moment, as instructed by our green mayor.

  10. September 7, 2022 11:19 pm

    Here’s an irony:

    If the beast’s energy source catches fire, it’s unlikely to be able to extinguish itself.

    “The main risks

    Although these fires remain rare, when they do occur, they can be extremely dangerous.

    During an electric vehicle fire, over 100 organic chemicals are generated, including some incredibly toxic gases such as carbon monoxide and hydrogen cyanide – both of which are fatal to humans.

    According to George Maloney, sub-officer in the operational team at the London Fire Brigade, the fire services are prepared for dealing with these toxic gases: ‘When dealing with any sort of vehicle fire, the fire brigade will always wear full PPE with respiratory equipment.

    ‘As far as we know, this seems to provide adequate protection against these toxic gases.

    ‘However, this level of protection isn’t necessarily available for all members of the public or for individuals from other public services.

    It’s a dynamic situation in that we are still learning about how EV fires behave, but the guidance is consistent, always wear full protective gear.’

    Putting out the fire

    For the fire brigade, the real problem when it comes to an EV fire is with trying to put it out.

    The services have two main options, let the fire burn out or extinguish it.

    The obvious choice seems to be to extinguish the fire, however many EV manufacturers actually advise for a controlled burn. This is where the fire services allow the vehicle to burn out while they focus on protecting the surrounding area.

    Once the fire has been successfully put out, the problem for the fire brigade is not over.

    Electric vehicle fires are known to reignite hours, days or even weeks after the initial event, and they can do so many times.

    Not only does this pose a safety issue, but it also poses a legal issue: recovery firms are increasingly concerned about dealing with electric vehicles.”

    • John Hultquist permalink
      September 8, 2022 5:26 am

      Residents should be given a 3-day voucher for a vacation destination of reasonable distance from the battery. A surcharge on every battery should cover the cost.

  11. Philip Mulholland permalink
    September 7, 2022 11:21 pm

    But, the city points out, it won’t give off diesel fumes and will be much quieter than existing diesel fire trucks

    Building fires by their very nature are pollution events that make diesel engine fumes pale in comparison.
    Also, Fire Engines have a siren that is intended to make a lot of noise.

    Are these apologists insane?

    • Ben Vorlich permalink
      September 8, 2022 7:28 am

      They probably mean it’s quiet while charging and then driving back to base after the fire is over. It will be the last to leave allowing the crew to do the tidying up and final checks while its recharged.
      Seems ideal

      • Dave Ward permalink
        September 8, 2022 3:45 pm

        “While its recharged”

        By the onboard diesel genset, as the battery will be flat after getting there and pumping (40% less) water to put the fire out…

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      September 8, 2022 8:15 am

      Yes, a decent fire burning for 10 extra minutes because this thing pumps less water is going to release far more pollution and CO2 than the fire engine will save. But nobody gets to see that so it’s OK.

    • ancientpopeye permalink
      September 8, 2022 8:35 am


  12. September 8, 2022 7:36 am

    Seville oranges in season mid January for about 6 weeks.

  13. September 8, 2022 8:12 am

    We already have one of those in the UK. But I don’t know if they’ve sold any.

    We did not want to produce a Hybrid vehicle, nor a concept truck, or one with limited range and operational performance, but rather we aimed to produce a next-generation solution that builds on the current features of today’s diesel-fuelled fire appliances, whilst also including many new and innovative features, designed to improve firefighter (and public) safety. In other words, a low emission fire and rescue vehicle that exceeds the current appliance specification.

  14. ancientpopeye permalink
    September 8, 2022 8:34 am

    When oh when will this madness end, probably not before we start ignoring these freak s and let commonsense return?

  15. ron permalink
    September 8, 2022 9:24 am

    A e.v. battery fire is a physical fire, an electrical fire, a chemical fire and a metal fire.

    An electiral fire does not respond to water or c02 dousing agemts and is enhanced by water.

    A metal fire is spread, at least in the beginnig, by the use of water

    A chemical fire reacts to the application of water with explosive force sometimes, and is usually unaffected by c.o.2 or any other atmospheric agent.

    An E.V. physical fire associated with battery ignition is superheated by the combination of the other factors and thus exceeds the margins for surrounding fire retardant material in the vehicle. That causes the fire retardent to flash over at extremely high temperatures with a vehicle specific combinations of chemicals causing the release of material not normally seen outside of a laboratory. The intensity of the heat and flames from the now burning fire retardent will cause anything in the immediate vicinity to be at high risk.

    Manufactueres are correct to say ….just let it burn out….. Much of what might be tried to deal with it may make the fire seriously worse. While that sounds sort of ominous as to their safety, think about what the means. If you should leave one of them to burn out, what happens if you have a few of them or hundreds of them like in the parkade.

    A massive, high intensity fire releasing unimaginably toxic chemicals (some of which are absorbed into surrounding materials and then slowly outgassed) burning without restraint for hours or even days, in a residential high rise. Such an event in a typical residential high rise would cause so much damge to the essential systems that are located in the lower levels and potential damage to support beams that the building would eventually be torn down.

  16. Adrian permalink
    September 8, 2022 9:53 am

    I worked with Dennis and Scania fire appliances for most of my fire service career, big Diesel engines that could could pump for a full shift with power take offs to run lighting masts etc, good reliable machinery where and when you needed it most. Love to know pumping sustainability of this new machine.
    The supply and costs of the rare earth metals to run a fleet of these fire pumps must be horrendous! I recently saw a news shot of an electric London bus burning it was spectacular and dangerous for anyone in the vicinity. I agree we do need a Great Reset but it should be to get these green clowns out of power.

  17. September 8, 2022 9:59 am

    Great! That truck will produce less exhaust fumes during fires! (Are they kidding or are they stupidity addicts?)

  18. MrGrimNasty permalink
    September 8, 2022 10:45 am

    Not much of a drought left chez moi.
    July was 13% of normal rain.
    August was 90%.
    September, already well over 100%.
    Lawn 100% recovered.

  19. Gerry, England permalink
    September 8, 2022 10:50 am

    So this seems to be just as successful as the Green idiots battery dustcart in Brighton that requires double the amount of more expensive vehicles to do the same job. Is there anything green that is actually an improvement?

  20. SimonfromAshby permalink
    September 8, 2022 11:15 am

    It must have an enormous battery, which means it is just as likely to cause a fireas put on out.


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