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Electric Cars–Magical Thinking

November 1, 2022

By Paul Homewood

An easy to watch video by John Stossel:

 

 

18 Comments
  1. November 1, 2022 3:40 pm

    Reblogged this on Roald J. Larsen.

  2. Martin Brumby permalink
    November 1, 2022 3:42 pm

    Fine little video.
    But you know as well as I do, that if God wrote the message across the sky in huge letters of fire, with the Hollywood Bowl playing at full pelt and choirs of Celestial Angels, …… IT WOULD NOT BE NOTICED by the King, our other Beloved Leaders or by GangGreen

    • November 1, 2022 3:47 pm

      The same King, who in his pursuit of the political neutrality that goes with the job, is hosting a pre COP27 party for all the other loons who hold the same wacky climate beliefs as he does!

  3. T Walker permalink
    November 1, 2022 4:09 pm

    This excellent video features Mark Mills who has been warning of the inconvenient truths of an electric future for sometime. Here is his handy crib sheet of problems that anyone with half a brain can then work through for themselves.

    https://economics21.org/inconvenient-realities-new-energy-economy

    I was in the USA last winter for a few weeks (don’t ask about jabs an tests). Luckily I was near the Big Apple and although we had a bit of snow, and it was cold, overall it was OK. At one point though only 200 miles to the southwest 100 or so vehicles got stuck in blizzard-like conditions on the I-95 for around 24 hours. Imagine if they were all electric vehicles – people trying to keep warm!!?

    • T Walker permalink
      November 1, 2022 4:26 pm

      The items that really caught my eye in the list Mark Mills provides in the linked article –

      13. Batteries produced annually by the Tesla Gigafactory (world’s biggest battery factory) can store three minutes worth of annual U.S. electric demand.

      14. To make enough batteries to store two-day’s worth of U.S. electricity demand would require 1,000 years of production by the Gigafactory (world’s biggest battery factory).

      19. It costs less than $0.50 to store a barrel of oil, or its equivalent in natural gas, but it costs $200 to store the equivalent energy of a barrel of oil in batteries.

      These are the inefficiencies that are just ignored by our arts graduate politicians.

  4. Orde Solomons permalink
    November 1, 2022 4:29 pm

    And perhaps in Part II they’ll mention that there isn’t enough copper, lithium, cobalt and other rare materials to replace all the fuel oil vehicles in Britain, let alone the rest of Europe and North America. (Elsewhere they have more sense.)

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 1, 2022 9:39 pm

      They whet my appetite for Part II. It appears it is not available yet.

  5. Malcolm permalink
    November 1, 2022 4:39 pm

    A key issue is: what do you do with the end of life batteries? They cannot be effectively recycled with known technology, period. Thus soon there will be a battery disposal charge (£5000-00?). That might slow things down a bit.

    Old electric cars will be sold to poorer people and they will get the disposal bill. In fact they will not buy them and so not have cars. Hence electric cars will become single user commodities. That changes the market a bit?

    • November 1, 2022 9:42 pm

      The disposal is likely to be incendiary.

    • Penda100 permalink
      November 2, 2022 5:58 pm

      Some people think the batteries can be reconfigured as a Power Wall (in your house) to provide backup for your solar panels. I don’t know whether reconfiguration is even feasible but I wouldn’t like to pay the fire insurance premium.

  6. In The Real World permalink
    November 1, 2022 6:32 pm

    It looks like EVs will have to start paying road tax by 2025 .

    So they will then be getting a lot more expensive than normal vehicles to own and run .

    • November 1, 2022 9:43 pm

      VED should be based on vehicle mass, since that determines wear and tear on the roads. ICE vehicles already pay a storming amount of fuel duty.

      • Gerry, England permalink
        November 2, 2022 12:07 pm

        I have noticed that in the pitch side advertising at UEFA matches there is one from Hankook tyres promoting a battery car tyre. Presumably one with a stronger carcass to deal with the extra weight. More expensive no doubt.

  7. Andrew Fairfoull permalink
    November 1, 2022 10:34 pm

    Since there will be not be enough lithium and cobalt in the future. How about sodium ion batteries are they the answer? Paul, any info on these wonderful new types of battery?

  8. November 2, 2022 5:19 am

    drill baby drill:

    Magical thinking.

  9. November 2, 2022 7:55 am

    Andrew,

    really batteries are not an answer as there is no problem to address.

    It is fairly obvious to me that the whole electrification of transport and heating has not been critically evaluated as the effect of loading the grid and it’s consequent increase in CO2 emissions is not generally appreciated.
    It is generally assumed that by calculating the average CO2 per Megawatt hour of generation gives a figure which can be used to attribute the CO2 emissions for electric cars and heat pumps.
    This is a mistaken assumption and is nowhere near the true figure due to how the grid works.
    That is without delving into the generation capacity increase and the very significant upgrade required to the local area network that provides the electricity to the consumer. The transformers and cables supplying houses are sized for an average domestic load that is typically of short duration for the higher current loads. EVs and heat pumps are high current loads for long duration and will stress the local system.

    The answer is to have government advisors that understand how things actually work, what chance there is of that is another matter?

  10. November 2, 2022 12:48 pm

    In the 1970’s I read in a futurist magazine about a discovery made in 1870’s
    They discover that under certain conditions some metals would react with water
    releasing the hydrogen and could be made into what was called an air battery.
    It has other names sometimes called a water battery or a metal battery.
    The advantage being that they use a combination of air , water and metal.
    These are now being developed they use bauxite aluminium a much more common element than those used in lithium batteries.
    How they compare to the internal combustion engine or turbines it is hard to say. The advantages of decades of development and mass production give current technology a big advantage.

    • Up2snuff permalink
      November 3, 2022 7:21 pm

      bsides2015, there will eventually be a leap in battery technology, driven by economics. Until then, hybrids should be encouraged. Sadly most politicians in the UK appear to be in favour of full electrification.

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