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Westminster’s Mad Hatter’s Tea Party

November 28, 2022

By Paul Homewood

From Net Zero Watch:

 

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London, 28 November – Responding to the front-page news that Boris Johnson and Liz Truss are both supporting the lifting of the so-called “ban” on onshore wind in the UK, Net Zero Watch today described the Westminster energy debate as a “rationality-free zone”.

Since becoming Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has, against logic and all evidence, re-imposed the ban on exploring the vast potential of hydraulic fracturing for natural gas and oil in the UK, a thermodynamically competent fuel that could reinforce UK security of supply and, by giving UK markets a domestic option, reduce the price of imported gas. His chancellor, Mr Hunt, has imposed a windfall tax on energy companies, including those that Britain needs most such as oil, gas and nuclear, that will discourage investment for decades unless it is swiftly reversed.

The Prime Minister’s critics within his own party are no better. Led by Simon Clarke MP, but now joined by the ex-Prime Ministers, Johnson and Truss, some Conservatives are supporting a renewed drive for onshore wind, apparently believing the absurd industry propaganda claims that wind power is cheap. As is well known in the markets, but not apparently understood at all in Westminster, wind both on and offshore is extremely expensive, with stubbornly high capital costs and rising operational costs, to say nothing of system management costs to address its uncontrollable variability.

Meanwhile, the Opposition front bench, notionally led by Sir Keir Starmer, but in fact driven by the radical views of Ed Miliband, are promising to nationalise the energy sector and call it GB Energy, freeze energy bills and pay for the cost by taxes on oil and gas companies, while quadrupling offshore wind (to about 40 GW, up from 11 operational today) and doubling onshore wind (up to 28 GW from 14 operational today).

Dr John Constable, NZW’s Director of Energy, said:

"The intellectual quality of the UK energy policy debate is a disgrace to parliament, revealing both the ignorance and folly of elected representatives. Like Alice in Wonderland it is utterly surreal nonsense; but, unlike Lewis Carroll’s masterpiece, it isn’t funny. The British people deserve better."

82 Comments
  1. Matelot 65 permalink
    November 28, 2022 10:48 am

    Democracy is dead. The blob appears to have won 😦

    • November 28, 2022 11:00 am

      Don’t entirely agree; surely, all that is happening is that the force of retributive kick back grows daily with these ever more ignorant theories spouted by these brainless power mad apparatchiks – once JP gets to understand the madness (when it directly impacts their life very very badly…?) the hope is that JP will react accordingly (I am not holding my breath)

    • November 28, 2022 12:11 pm

      Matelot 65:

      It looks like it. Once sophisticated Propaganda Techniques can manipulate the minds of large sections of the voting population; then you can destroy democracy.

      It is the major plank in Marxist/Fascist philosophy. History tells its tale; albeit using brutality rather than the sophisticated techniques of today.

      As an experiment; try using the CAGW MEME for size and witness the way it has gone viral.

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 28, 2022 1:44 pm

      Democracy demands to know who his constituency is . . . so you can vote against them.

    • catweazle666 permalink
      November 28, 2022 3:36 pm

      Not yet it hasn’t.
      The pendulum IS swinging back, agonisingly slowly, but it is swinging, not just here but Globally too.

    • November 28, 2022 3:38 pm

      Not if the realities of winter and the cost of energy really kick in.

  2. November 28, 2022 10:48 am

    It all makes perfetct sense if you have been told to buy American gas and stop producing our own.

    • November 28, 2022 11:03 am

      and if the US gas suppliers, which send LPG to the UK, are funders of the Democrats and Biden for 2024, does that not make UK citizens, ultimately, unwitting participants in a Ponzi – type scheme ( just like FTX…)

  3. Mal permalink
    November 28, 2022 10:52 am

    John Constable’s final comment absolutely nails it.

    • Sylvia permalink
      November 28, 2022 3:08 pm

      Here, here !!

    • catweazle666 permalink
      November 28, 2022 3:44 pm

      This: “revealing both the ignorance and folly of elected representatives”?

      It is not the “elected representatives” who are in control any more, it is the quangocrats such as the egregious Gummer of the Climate Change Committee and SAGE who are instructing the government what to do.
      Democracy by elected representatives of the people has been discreetly replaced by government by unelected committees of people like troughsnouter Gummer, “Sir” Patrick Valance, “Pantsdown” Ferguson and the thoroughly vile Commie Susan Michie.

      It all started under Blair (who else?) not surprisingly.

  4. that man permalink
    November 28, 2022 10:55 am

    “…revealing both the ignorance and folly of elected representatives…”
    —who cost the country vast £sums for their pay, pensions and expenses, plus the overheads for running and maintaining their palace at Westminster.

    Then factor-in the £damages resulting from their ineptitude, it’s no wonder we look down into a black financial hole. It would help if they used a little common sense. If all they possess is a little common sense, then use all of it.

  5. M Fraser permalink
    November 28, 2022 11:12 am

    bbc’s becky morton describes today ‘onshore wind is cheap and reliable’.
    We’re doomed!

    • that man permalink
      November 28, 2022 12:35 pm

      She’s quite right: wind indeed is reliable. It can be relied upon to be variable.
      And, of course, it costs nothing. The problem is, Becky, ……..

    • November 28, 2022 6:25 pm

      It can be relied upon to do nothing when it’s not windy. Then what, wind fanciers?
      – – –
      Re. the windfall tax ‘that will discourage investment for decades unless it is swiftly reversed’, the moaning oil/gas co’s forget to mention that investments in producing more from UK rigs etc. are at least partially exempted from the windfall tax.

  6. MrGrimNasty permalink
    November 28, 2022 11:13 am

    The government claims it wants economic growth whilst deliberately implementing the UN/WEF degrowth energy agenda.
    A bit like they claim to want to control immigration whilst signing up to the UN migration compact.

  7. GeoffB permalink
    November 28, 2022 11:19 am

    We have 3 days of no wind, lets see what happens tonight , as soon as the power cuts start public opinion will change, fingers crossed.

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      November 28, 2022 1:57 pm

      NG are instigating power reduction measure for tomorrow night. Now is it just me or ……England V USA and Wales V Iran simultaneous matches tomorrow night at 7:00pm. kick off. What a brilliant time for a cascading grid collapse.
      So my advice to everyone is this just before kick off switch on every single appliance you can – the more power hungry the better. Instant electric showers, electric ovens and hobs electric heaters, EV car chargers etc etc.
      A massive blackout is the only way to make people see sense.
      Pass it on please (but make sure your laptop and mobile phone are fully charged and tether them to watch the match online!)

  8. November 28, 2022 11:21 am

    Expect power cuts soon:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/11/28/ftse-100-markets-live-news-china-house-prices-inflation/
    Why can’t the Telegraph get a simple thing right – like the link title?

    • November 28, 2022 12:39 pm

      Hi Philip

      Is the 218 acre solar farm in East Devon the one you have been fighting against?

      https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/marsh-green-solar-farm-fresh-7864172

      They have given completely nonsensical expectations of power that will be generated. Has it actually received permission?

      • November 28, 2022 12:53 pm

        Hi CR,
        This s one of many we have been and are fighting against. It goes to the planning committee tomorrow for the decision. But when the council has declared a “climate emergency”, anything labelled green is likely to be approved (plus, as you will have read, councils are afraid to refuse planning permission because the wealthy developers always appeal, costing the councils a lot of money).

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        November 28, 2022 6:33 pm

        Hi Phillip, I’m late to this thread…but at lunchtime today I found myself listening to some Professor xxxx on WATO (I think) talking about the fact that the Councils in Devon and Cornwall had declared a ‘Climate Emergency’ so it was therefore fine for the Councils to (in terms) run roughshod over the views of the people and increase the number of windfarms no matter what. He actually claimed that as there was a Climate Emergency it was necessary to save the people from disaster.
        I can’t tell you what I wanted to do to this guy but I guess you must have run into him (better to run over him!) at some time (he had a very superior air to his arguments and seemed to think he was actually speaking for we plebs as if he’d been elected to do so).

      • November 28, 2022 6:52 pm

        Harry. Who was this professor?

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        November 28, 2022 7:31 pm

        Who was the professor? I wish I had made a note, Phillip. He drove me mad with his condescending attitude and the fact that he was talking as if he had the God-given right to speak for the people of Devon etc in his quest to ensure they lived with windfarms -because the Councils had voted for a Climate Emergency – which apparently, trumps any and all democratic interventions against such plans.
        I have searched BBC Radio websites for programmes over the weekend but, whereas, once upon a time they would list all the speakers on their programmes, they don’t seem to bother now.
        Sorry.

      • November 28, 2022 7:49 pm

        Harry If you know roughly what time he was on you could repeat the interview on BBC sounds.

        We have the same problem with housing of course. As there is a ‘housing emergency’ so any housing development is deemed necessary. What with housing, roads, industry , wind farms. solar farms, rewilding, new forests, etc its no wonder we don’t grow enough of our own food.

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        November 28, 2022 9:18 pm

        FTAO PHILLIP BRATBY!!!

        Hi Phillip! I found the ‘Professor’!

        Go to BBC R4 Sounds for WATO on 28/11 starting at 27:52.
        They introduce the Geography Professor from Exeter University whose name – get this – is Patrick Devine-right !!! – and he’s Devon’s Chairman of the NZ Taskforce (he says). What he has to say should put a shiver down anyone’s spine. He is an out and out believer and one who would sink the ship to save a lifeboat. The man’s dangerous – assuming anyone listens to him – but the BBC do!

      • November 29, 2022 7:26 am

        Harry: I have heard of Devine-Wright, but I don’t recall coming across him. But I have recently been sparring (letters in the Western Morning News) with a fellow geography colleague of his at Exeter University, Prof Bruce Webb. The dept of geography is enormous, and I assume all the staff are climate change nutters. Certainly Exeter University is a hot bed of climate activists.

    • November 28, 2022 3:10 pm

      Wind power is currently less than 1GW, less than the 1.5GW from coal, and the UK is importing a ridiculous 10% of its electricity. A ridge of high pressure around the North Sea is responsible, but it will go away in a few days time.

      Easterly (cold) winds will pick up, so demand and wind power will rise, but what about the availability of imports from a cold continent?

      • Gamecock permalink
        November 28, 2022 4:32 pm

        “Live life intermittently.”

      • November 28, 2022 4:41 pm

        Something strange with demand this afternoon: it has been falling to a paltry 36 GW. Is this industrial demand response in action?

      • November 28, 2022 5:25 pm

        Philip

        The problem is that weather dependent renewables have such a nice cosy name. After all, who could possibly object to anything with the words ‘renewables’ or ‘farm’ in their title? Our councilors are even more ignorant than our govt. the latter must know the pitiful amounts of power these things supply and the ethical and economic arguments.

        However, possibly our councilors just believe what developers tell them.

      • Jordan permalink
        November 28, 2022 7:29 pm

        climatereason. Oil tank farm. Sexy!

      • November 28, 2022 7:50 pm

        Jordan

        But that has got the dreaded word ‘oil’ in it so is immediately evil.

      • Jordan permalink
        November 28, 2022 10:25 pm

        climatereason. I would put it more like risqué. Tickle some taboos.
        But not mine. I’m about as uniform as a bristle brush in the scullery cupboard.

  9. Beagle permalink
    November 28, 2022 11:38 am

    Yes, Mal, spot on.

  10. 2hmp permalink
    November 28, 2022 11:38 am

    My MP appears completely ignorant of the facts and unwilling to learn anything of the science. Energy seems to be a blind spot in most Conservative MPs.

    • dave permalink
      November 28, 2022 5:05 pm

      “…Conservative MPs.”

      “Boris is going to make the U.K. the Saudi Arabia of Power” was their stock answer for a year or two when asked, “What is the plan for the country?”

  11. Gamecock permalink
    November 28, 2022 12:17 pm

    Britain needs a 21st century Shackleton to search for whom they are doing this. It certainly isn’t for the people of UK.

    At every press conference, the press should demand of Sunak, “Who are you doing this for?”

    Carrie Johnson, or whomever, must address the nation: “This isn’t for me! I don’t want this!”

    • November 28, 2022 7:21 pm

      Since Sushi is a graduate of the WEF Hitler Youth I think we know who it is he is doing it for, Der Fuhrer Schwab.

  12. November 28, 2022 12:19 pm

    The cartoon of someone sitting on the branch of a tree sawing away at the bit nearest the trunk comes to mind here.🤔🙄🤯😱.

  13. David permalink
    November 28, 2022 12:25 pm

    TPTB must have some secret threat hanging over our government and the Telegraph. Looking at them you can see the fear on their faces and the illogicality of their actions prove it.

  14. W Flood permalink
    November 28, 2022 12:59 pm

    Wind output at 12.30 was 1.1 GW of a required 37 GW. Coal was producing more (Gridwatch). Scotland has onshore turbines everywhere. Ugly and people living nearby have complained to me about them, lives are affected despite what the lying politicians say. England has 10x the population and 1.5x the area of Scotland. Get the barricades ready. Your landscape will be devastated.

  15. saparonia permalink
    November 28, 2022 1:13 pm

    I thought Boris was sacked? I don’t really follow politics, but here he pops up again weighing profit against the common man. I notice that throughout the lockdown, there’s been a huge increase in new cars on the roads..

  16. Ray Sanders permalink
    November 28, 2022 2:01 pm

    There has to be another option to vote for at the next election. Any offers?
    I simply can no longer stomach voting for the idiots of all major parties currently on offer.

    • November 28, 2022 2:38 pm

      ME TOO. 🤯🤯🤯

    • Sylvia permalink
      November 28, 2022 3:05 pm

      Here, here – someone with a brain PLEASE stand so the rest of us can vote for you !!!

    • catweazle666 permalink
      November 28, 2022 3:30 pm

      Nigel Farage appears to be taking the reins of the Reform Party, is holding talks with Red Wall MPs and has just announced that Reform will field a full slate of candidates come the GE.
      I received my membership certificate yesterday.

    • T Walker permalink
      November 28, 2022 5:15 pm

      Add me in Ray. Never again LIBLABCON

    • November 28, 2022 7:24 pm

      Yes – abstention. Low turnout has worried them for years but if we could push it as low as 25% we can question their legitimacy to govern.

  17. Cheshire Red permalink
    November 28, 2022 2:15 pm

    Ex Tory advisor Nick Timothy has a column in the Telegraph every Monday. Today he reveals how government has transferred decision-making to endless ‘independent’ quangos.

    He cites NHS, police and energy amongst others.

    In each case it means government ministers do not have final decision-making powers. Instead, those decisions lie with the dominant NGO. Exhibit 1, the ‘Committee on Climate Change’.

    They make energy and CC policy, so government are now unable to intervene!

    Once these facts are understood it becomes clear; government delegate to the NGO, who suggest policy, which is then delivered by government, on the say-so of the NGO.

    It explains why the ‘Conservatives’ have delivered so few conservative policies and why the country is in a complete mess.

    • catweazle666 permalink
      November 28, 2022 3:32 pm

      This egregious state of affairs has been developing for years, unsurprisingly it was Blair who started it, along with devolution and sundry other atrocities.

      • November 28, 2022 3:55 pm

        Yes. If I recall, one of the worst things was the removal of the requirement for departments to communicate/consult with other departments while producing a report. A recipe for the disasters which often resulted.
        Does this situation still prevail?. Seems like it does, judging by government performance these days.

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        November 28, 2022 6:45 pm

        Blair invented (or re-invented) ‘plausible deniability’, and setting up groups like the CCC with such a willing sucker-upper as Deben, he invented the CYA means of government. All MPs have discovered the benefit of this facility and hardly ever take responsibility for their actions. In fact, many (Skidmore etc) set out to resign as MPs after setting in motion actions that they are responsible for but which they are now walking away from leaving the public to suffer the consequences.
        And now…my vote is a non-con!

  18. Sylvia permalink
    November 28, 2022 3:02 pm

    Our filthy politicians do not want us to stay warm and dry this winter but hope we ALL FREEZE TO DEATH ! God knows who they think will pay them their HUGELY INFLATED SALARIES ???!!!! NOT US OBVIOUSLY.

  19. November 28, 2022 3:30 pm

    A quick survey of the MSM shows an almost total absence of identification of the main culprit for insufficient electricity supply. There needs to be a concerted effort to put the focus on where it belongs (on UK wind power) and not on foreign issues such as French nukes and Ukraine, which are only issues because of Net Zero.

    • A+man+of+no+rank permalink
      November 28, 2022 3:55 pm

      C.R. I have been making comments on the online Mail, Express and others for well over a year now, using a lot of the information from this site. A lot blame Putin/Brexit/immigration but I must add that the level of knowledge of N.Z. failings has increased massively. I think the readers, but not the journalists, are on board.

  20. November 28, 2022 3:37 pm

    The Mad Hatter was sane compared to our politicians .

  21. November 28, 2022 3:44 pm

    This is my insane version of Mad Hatter, my MP:

    “It is important that we as a country take action to tackle climate change to help mitigate its effects, which include flooding, costal erosion and other issues caused by extreme weather. To play our part in tackling this global issue, the UK aims to eliminate our contribution to climate change and achieve net zero by 2050.

    Bringing forward the end the sale of petrol and diesel cars and vans to 2030 and increasing the use of electric vehicles will play a crucial role in helping the UK to hit this ambitious, legally binding target. I want to assure you that the Government is putting in place the infrastructure to facilitate the accelerated transition to electric vehicles – including public chargepoints, residential on-street chargepoints as well as rapid and smart chargepoints.

    The Government is investing £3.5 billion to support the automotive sector and consumers in the transition to zero emissions vehicles. This includes: £1 billion of Government investment to support the electrification of UK vehicles and their supply chains; £620 million for targeted electric vehicle grants and infrastrueture; and £275 million to extend support for charge point installation at homes, workplaces and on-street locations.

    So far, government funding, alongside private sector investment, has supported the installation of more than 32,000 public electric vehicle charging devices, including over 6,000 rapid charge points – one of the largest networks in Europe. But there is much more to do. That is why I am glad that consumers will soon be able to compare costs across charging networks in a recognisable format similar to pence per litre for fuel and there will be new standards to ensure reliable charging for electric vehicle drivers.”

    A demented case of ‘Fiddling whilst Rome burns’!

    • catweazle666 permalink
      November 28, 2022 3:56 pm

      “more than 32,000 public electric vehicle charging devices, including over 6,000 rapid charge points – one of the largest networks in Europe”

      Meanwhile, we’re contemplating blackouts…
      I wonder where all the juice is going to come from to run that lot.
      Nobody seems to have thought of that, as far as I can tell.

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 28, 2022 4:46 pm

      “It is important that we as a country take action to tackle climate change”

      Uhh . . . no. You have no power to do anything about it. But even if you did, the $64,000 question is it is important to WHOM ???

      Related to this is the case of Khan’s scheme to extend the low emission tax zone to the entirety of London. Consider this:

      London produces <0.004% of the world's CO2 emissions. Completely eliminating it would not only have no effect, it wouldn't even be measurable.

      • Dave Andrews permalink
        November 28, 2022 5:43 pm

        Transport for London (TfL) extended the ultra low emission zone in October 2021 making it 18 times bigger. Since then it has raked in £93.6 m in the name of ‘boosting air quality’. Having seen the real effect is boosting TfL income makes sense to extend it again does it not?

      • November 28, 2022 7:30 pm

        I have read that the London ULEZ is losing money despite that because if people do comply then there is no income but all the costs of running the system of cameras. Expanding it will increase the costs with yet more cameras. Remember that the cameras are not a boundary system like the congestion charge but placed across the whole zone so that zone residents get caught if they drive a non-compliant car.

        There a change.org petition against it that was at 100,000 this morning. Here in Surrey the comments are that people will simply go elsewhere so businesses around the boundary will suffer, as they probably have done at each of the previous boundaries.

  22. Micky R permalink
    November 28, 2022 4:43 pm

    ” To play our part in tackling this global issue, the UK aims to eliminate our contribution to climate change … ”

    Ask your MP ” Where is the proof that humans are responsible for dangerous climate change? ” My MP won’t reply to me, even though I communicate in a few short sentences.

    • November 28, 2022 5:05 pm

      I have asked my MP numerous times for the evidence for various things, particularly ‘climate change’ and the govt’s lockdown & vaccination response policy to covid. Not a thing in return. I think he’s embarrassed and just reiterating the rhetoric, as I’ve explicitly said to him that he can’t produce it.

      When policies like this massively impact us, it should be incumbent on the govt, legally enforced, to present the evidence.

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 28, 2022 10:02 pm

      Ask them first to define ‘climate change.’ It is gibberish.

    • November 28, 2022 5:11 pm

      Another similar video identifies sunlight reflection from widespread snow cover at high latitudes as a factor.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      November 28, 2022 9:20 pm

      Phillip, in case you miss it, see my comment about the ‘Professor’ up thread: I found him!!

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 28, 2022 10:04 pm

      Q. alba dropped their leaves a week early this year. Could be a sign.

  23. Phil Saunders permalink
    November 28, 2022 6:45 pm

    Anyone else noticed that wind produced .3 GW of the UK electricity output of 40 GW at 1730 tonight?
    This important story was also absent from the Six O’Clock News. Anyone know why, or am I thick?

    • November 28, 2022 7:32 pm

      Unfortunately WordPress prevents me showing the graph; but I have been recording the daily U.K. total wind amount in GWATTHRS and by dividing it by 64 million U.K. population reckoned that was my share of it.
      Sadly due to illness I only managed to get about 122 valid readings from which it shows that for most of the time I was getting little more than enough to do a clothes wash and boil a kettle or two at around 2KWhrs each day. I usually use around 10 or 12 KWhrs/day; but more in the winter. Fair enough not enough data and not covering the seasons (it was July to October). I now have many more readings since coming out of hospital so watch this space.

      Doubling this up at HUGE expense ain’t gonner do nuffing except to double up my energy costs.🤯😱.

  24. Harry Passfield permalink
    November 28, 2022 6:55 pm

    When I see how much (fighting) CC is embedded into so many BBC TV/Radio programmes nowadays I am beginning to think the end of days is upon us. NOT from the nonsense that is CC, but because of the stupid and dangerously-led and biased actions of our ‘leaders’ who seem to have been bought.

    • November 28, 2022 7:34 pm

      Hard not to see that the human race in the West is going backwards with the spread of woke, leftie and fascist ideals. Perhaps it will become known as the Retardocene.

  25. Mr T permalink
    November 28, 2022 9:30 pm

    What is the evidence that both on and offshore wind is very expensive? A majority of my friends believe we have to do our bit to save the planet. “Global Warming Deniers” lost the argument long ago. I now try and explain that global warming is not happening as quickly as we are being told and that we have to stop our government from pursuing stupid policies that will achieve nothing but make us poorer.
    Paul’s work is very useful in this regard, particularly because of his references to websites that show the correct information. However, I struggle to point to evidence about the cost of wind turbines. I know the total cost should take into account the expense of the backup needed when the wind is not blowing. That is an easy concept to explain but I struggle to find a comprehensible cost analysis.

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 28, 2022 10:09 pm

      ‘A majority of my friends believe we have to do our bit to save the planet.’

      The planet has no franchise. It gets no vote. Government works for the people, not the planet.

      BTW, “the planet” is a big ol’ dirt ball flying around the sun. It doesn’t need saving. It doesn’t care what you do. Nor what anyone “denies.”

    • catweazle666 permalink
      November 28, 2022 11:06 pm

      Ask them why “Unreliable” are entirely dependent on subsidies.

      • Mr T permalink
        November 29, 2022 9:29 am

        Thank you Catweazle for taking the trouble to reply but that does not answer my question. The companies are making lots of money because of the subsidies but that does not necessarily mean that they would be unprofitable without the subsidies. I can tell people that the arctic ice cover is no longer contracting and give them the link to the DMI website. However, asking them the question you suggest will merely demonstrate that I don’t know the answer. I would love to know the answer if you know it.
        The last round of bidding for CFDs was very encouraging with bids being well below the current energy price and I appreciate that the government seems to have signed a duff contract as the companies do not appear to have to revert to the CFD price unless and until they want to.
        Thank you Gamecock for also replying but I am afraid “Deniers” have lost the argument. It doesn’t mean that Deniers are wrong but concrete facts are needed not unproven scientific theories. Is it a fact that alternative energies would lose money if subsidies were removed?

      • November 29, 2022 12:11 pm

        Yes it is a fact that Renewable Companies will lose money in the absence of subsidies; but there is rider here; as this is only true if HONEST accounting is involved where ALL the costs of this energy are included and the market is NOT twisted in its favour. (There are also niche situations which can be profitable at local level.)
        The proof of this lies in the Thermodynamic Laws with both the first and second Laws ensuring that in energy/Enthalpy terms Renewables can only produce a NEGATIVE Return on investment. (Input>output)

        The matter would be quickly resolved if Renewable Applications required agreement to supply a minimum quantity of 24/7 energy at an agreed price without subsidies etc. This requiring them to cover the costs of any back up , storage, or maintenance needed.

      • Gamecock permalink
        November 29, 2022 11:09 am

        Mr T, with science, the argument is never over.

      • catweazle666 permalink
        November 29, 2022 4:37 pm

        You might find this informative too Mr T, most especially the chart on page 16.

        Click to access blackrock-energy-and-resources-income-trust-plc-interim-report.pdf

        Also note the source, as far from deniers as you can get.

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