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Bob Ward v Nigel Farage

January 22, 2023
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By Paul Homewood

Nigel Farage has been interviewing Bob Ward about Net Zero:

 

 

It is the usual blustering performance from Ward, who avoids answering questions by going on a rant.

Fundamental questions, such as:

  • What difference will Net Zero make in the UK, when it only accounts for 1% of the world’s emissions
  • How are people expected to afford heat pumps and insulation
  • Most new “green jobs” are actually going to China
  • How high energy costs are costing many more jobs than are created
  • While we are cutting emissions, China and others are massively increasing them

Ward, for instance, deflects the question of heat pump affordability by claiming that they are cheaper to run, which is not even true.

And his response to the final question about China is that China will not be bullied, but will respond to UK leadership on climate. If he really believes that, he must be delusional:

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BP Energy Review

Bob Ward is, of course, the Policy & Communications Director for the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment, in other words the PR man. The Institute was set up by the billionaire Jeremy Grantham, and is chaired by Nicholas Stern, neither of whom give much confidence about the objectivity of the Institute’s work. And as their own website makes clear, their purpose is a political one, not scientific:

“The Institute’s purpose is to accelerate the transition, and remove obstacles, to a sustainable, inclusive and resilient world.”

Part of their funding comes from Jeremy Grantham, but there is also a large dollop of taxpayers’ money involved, amounting to over £6 million last year, as well as EU funding and grants from far left American foundations, such as ECF, Rockefeller, and Climate Works:

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https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/about/about-the-institute/

The climate scam is big business!

65 Comments
  1. Graeme permalink
    January 22, 2023 12:06 pm

    I watched this on GB News at the time and was surprised at his raving swivel eyed rant. He came across as a lunatic. Which is exactly what his ideas demonstrate.

    • Tonyb permalink
      January 22, 2023 12:23 pm

      I didn’t see it but didn’t Al Gore also go on a Davos Rant a couple of days ago?

    • Nigel Sherratt permalink
      January 22, 2023 12:31 pm

      Jeremy Grantham’s attack dog, appearances do not deceive in this case.

    • 2hmp permalink
      January 22, 2023 12:45 pm

      He is a loudmouthed fool – rather like Al Gore. Both not interested in the truth only the woke blame culture.

    • catweazle666 permalink
      January 22, 2023 5:12 pm

      “He came across as a lunatic.”

      Yes, there’s a reason for that!

  2. GeoffB permalink
    January 22, 2023 12:13 pm

    Farage holds his own, Ward is an out and out gobshite, looks like our only hope is Reform party with maybe Farage as a campaigner.
    One of my observations is that more and more people are having doubts about our net zero, particularly men, woman seem to believe in all the save the planet crap.
    It has been pretty cold for the last week, another 20 days of the same will run our gas storage down, quicker if there is no wind, fingers crossed.
    Windfinder shows little wind early next week and I got this message of National Grid this morning. Normally times are in the evening.

    2023-01-22 10:01:22

    From : Power System Manager – National Grid Electricity Control Centre NATIONAL GRID NOTIFICATION Nature of Notification DEMAND FLEXIBILITY SERVICE DFS Tests are scheduled for tomorrow, Monday 23/01/2023 between 12:00 – 13:00GMT. This is an indication that DFS Service Requirements might be published today at 14:30 for Providers being tested. Tests will be System Tagged. For full details see the ESO Data Portal at : https://data.nationalgrideso.com/ dfs/demand-flexibility-service-test-events. Notification Issued at 10:00 hrs on 22/01/2023 Issued by Peter Chandler National Grid Electricity Control Centre.

    • Bridget Howard-Smith permalink
      January 22, 2023 1:15 pm

      Hem, hem, excuse me, woman here. There are an awful lot of swivel-eyed men out there as well as women who have latched on to the so-called climate crisis (or “climate hell” as the male head of the UN was declaring).
      However, from recent experience, I am hopeful that the tide may be turning as I hear more of both sexes beginning to resist. It is still a very long way to go though.

      • GeoffB permalink
        January 22, 2023 1:35 pm

        It was jut an observation in my social circle (retired, good pensions), but I am working on it softly, softly.

      • Ray Sanders permalink
        January 22, 2023 2:04 pm

        Hi Bridget, I am inclined to agree with you. Speaking as a man, my sex tend to bluster on about things whilst women may stay quiet verbally for a while but then take incisive direct action. And as they say “Hell hath no fury like………

      • catweazle666 permalink
        January 22, 2023 5:15 pm

        The worm is turning.

        Globally, ever-decreasing numbers believe climate change is a serious problem, now down to less than half:

        Concern about climate change shrinks globally as threat grows, survey shows
        Fewer than half of those questioned in global poll believe climate change poses a ‘very serious threat’
        Concerns about climate change shrank across the world last year, with fewer than half of those questioned in a new survey believing it posed a “very serious threat” to their countries over the next 20 years.
        Only 20% of people in China, the world’s biggest polluter, said they believed that climate change was a very serious threat, down 3 percentage points from the last survey by Gallup World Risk Poll in 2019.
        Globally, the figure fell by 1.5 percentage points to 48.7% in 2021. The survey was based on more than 125,000 interviews in 121 countries.

        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/19/concern-about-climate-change-shrinks-globally-as-threat-grows-survey-shows

        Concern about climate change shrinks globally as threat grows – studyConcerns about climate change shrank across the world last year, a survey shows, with fewer than half those questioned believing it posed a “very serious threat” to their countries in the next 20 years.

        https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/concern-about-climate-change-shrinks-globally-threat-grows-study-2022-10-19/

        Heh – “AS THREAT GROWS”!
        Seems the increasingly frantic alarmist propaganda efforts of the AGW hoaxers are globally failing and they’re starting to panic, doesn’t it?

        As the old saying goes, “you can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”.

        The AGW hoax is dying on its feet.

        But the bedwetters don’t need to worry, the Globalists will dream up something else to make them hand over all their money, lose sleep over, lock themselves up, terrorise their kids and hide behind the sofa very soon now.

        In fact I think they’ll find they already have – GLOBAL PANDEMICS.

  3. malcolm fraser permalink
    January 22, 2023 12:18 pm

    ‘The Chinese want to learn from us’, this man is totally and utterly delusional.
    Total nonsense!

    • Mad Mike permalink
      January 22, 2023 6:39 pm

      The only time the Chinese have wanted to learn from us is when they want to steal our intellectual property.

      • Harry Passfield permalink
        January 22, 2023 8:17 pm

        So Ward is safe. He has no intellect.

  4. George Herraghty permalink
    January 22, 2023 12:20 pm

    Net Zero?
    Here’s a startling for Bewildered Bob: Wind turbines do NOT produce any energy at all, full stop.
    The First law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be converted from one form to another.
    So called ‘renewables’ should more accurately be called energy collectors. They collect energy that already exists, in the form of wind or sunlight, and convert what little there is into electricity.
    Therein lies the perpetual problem. If it is dark, still and cold, typical midwinter conditions, there is no energy to collect, thereby literally leaving us in the dark!
    As we discovered recently, in still, frosty December, wind ‘energy’ is a technological dead-end.
    The intrinsically better sources have what is known as greater Energy Density.
    For example, water is 800 times denser than air, so hydro is always going to give a much greater conversion capture than wind. Coal is intrinsically denser than wood, so much more thermodynamically efficient. A coal fire burns much hotter than wood.
    Nuclear, working at atomic level wins the energy density stakes hands down.

    The other hugely-damaging problem with parasitic ‘unreliables’ is their truly voracious material, maintenance, repair, replacement and land requirements.
    At present, all the world’s energy plants occupy around 0.5% of the Earth’s surface. Trying to capture all our energy from solar and wind would require an astonishing 50% of the Earth’s surface!
    This will leave virtually nowhere for farming, food production, forests, fishing, nature, wildlife habitats, recreation or us.

    Before the planet is completely carpeted, and wrecked with ‘renewables’ it is high time the collective density of our deluded, ever-so-green, politicians realised this!

    • kzbkzb permalink
      January 22, 2023 1:01 pm

      George, where do you get than 50% of the Earth’s surface figure from?
      It does not fit in with what we are told, for example, did not Elon Musk say that all of Europe could be powered by a small area of solar panels in Spain?

      • George Herraghty permalink
        January 22, 2023 1:07 pm

        At the end of this interview with Michael Shellenberger: –
        Nobody expected ‘very left-wing’ Michael Moore to issue a film ‘critical of renewables’

  5. Thomas Carr permalink
    January 22, 2023 12:20 pm

    Graeme. I also watched as it is on You Tube as well. Because Farage seemed so patient it almost suggested that he had come to similar conclusions about Ward. One wonders if the contributing sponsors actually read or listen to what goes out with their support. Some bizarre names among them.

    • 2hmp permalink
      January 22, 2023 12:54 pm

      I watched the programme and had to turn the sound down. It does no harm to the common sense position to watch Bob Ward. The old adage – In an argument the louder you shout the less you persuade – has its merits.

  6. January 22, 2023 12:37 pm

    Don’t you think that the person who wags both index fingers at their questioners is extremely suspect? If you can’t get your point across with reasoned arguments the double index finger wagging has to be resorted to.

  7. Douglas Dragonfly permalink
    January 22, 2023 12:49 pm

    Two things spring to mind as I listen to this loathsome Ward and his blatant lies.
    One is Skidmore is a self serving crook. Example provided below.
    Two, they are not only after your gas boiler but the want your cooker too. See link below.
    Why not North Sea gas rather than shipping it in diesel powered tankers from the USA ?

    Skidmore was paid £100,000 by Randox to be its consultant and subsequently, the company won contracts worth £480 million from the government during the coronavirus pandemic.

    “Cooking with gas ‘worse for your health than living in a polluted city’ | The Independent” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/pollution-gas-stove-cooking-b2266571.html

    • Dave Andrews permalink
      January 22, 2023 5:50 pm

      “Gas cookers: turning the heat down on a health risk scare” Stuart Ritchie i newspaper 20th January. Two page article debunking the research. (paper copy)

    • Iain Reid permalink
      January 23, 2023 9:49 am

      Douglas,

      here is another perspective on gas cookers and I believe a more rational one.:-
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/01/18/do-gas-cook-stoves-cause-asthma/

      • Douglas Dragonfly permalink
        January 25, 2023 4:36 am

        Many thanks Ian.
        I have worked with many asthmatic children and adults. This had never been suggested.

        ‘The anti-fossil fuels groups have way too much funding and very clever public relations professionals planning these campaigns – and they are very successful. To the detriment of the public good.’

        I loathe the scare mungering to this climate change religion.

  8. Rowland P permalink
    January 22, 2023 12:54 pm

    Inevitably, the Climate Party has been born with all the usual hectoring, bossy, delusional rubbish and a very flashy website. I am wondering where its funding is coming from…..

    Me, I’m all for the Heritage Party which is totally dismissive of the climate change nonsense. And it wholly opposes many other policies which are destroying our way of life.

  9. HotScot permalink
    January 22, 2023 12:57 pm

    The only thing Bob Ward is good at is SHOUTING!!!!!

  10. January 22, 2023 1:04 pm

    Some pushback from the Daily Mail/Mail on Sunday:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11660233/ROSS-CLARK-challenges-hysteria-surrounds-climate-change-debates-argues-risk-harm.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11661749/ROSS-CLARK-says-Governments-fantasy-net-zero-leave-Poorer-colder-hungrier.html?ico=related-replace

    Granted Ross Clark avoids challenging the temperature data but it’s pretty blunt on most things. Softly softly catchee monkey?

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 22, 2023 1:19 pm

      Read it. Shame that Clark still felt the need to agree that ‘the world is warming’ without being very clear why (natural cycles?).

      • January 22, 2023 9:49 pm

        Warming is a relative term. Antarctic ice sheets can still be over 2km thick.

  11. kzbkzb permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:06 pm

    They always want to gloss over the £40k cost of “retrofitting” a property to grade “A” insulation. It takes pretty extreme insulation to make a heat pump economic.
    They are delusional if they think everyone can do this.

    • Iain Reid permalink
      January 23, 2023 9:52 am

      Kzbkzb,

      the same insulation that is required to make a heat pump work will dramatically lower the gas bills if you retain your gas (or oil) boiler and provide a far more effective heating system.

      • kzbkzb permalink
        January 23, 2023 11:40 am

        No doubt ! But do they think that every householder is going to fork out £40k to superinsulate their property?

  12. david jenkins permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:07 pm

    Ward could not get a job as a geologist and no wonder with his attitude and stupidity – let him debate against Steve Koonin and he will be put in his place but he is too cowardly to do that

  13. kzbkzb permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:08 pm

    Another comment: how come this has funding from the EU !? I thought we left?

    • Realist permalink
      January 24, 2023 7:47 am

      It does seem strange that all the “climate” and “green” scaremongering and hatred of own population is still happening in the UK despite Brexit. That should all have stopped and all the increased and invented taxes and regulations been reversed ideally with refunds for those already paid.

      • catweazle666 permalink
        January 24, 2023 2:34 pm

        Actually, as the Snivel Serpents and the majority of MPs and Lords are all Remainers and have done their very best to thwart the will of the electorate, Brexit hasn’t really happened – YET!
        But give it a chance, wait till the next General Election.

      • Realist permalink
        January 24, 2023 4:44 pm

        But just look at the damage (irrespective of actual party in power) that politicians cause between General Elections when they pretend to listen to the population, but then ignore them for four years.
        >>But give it a chance, wait till the next General Election.

  14. Harry Passfield permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:17 pm

    Two (at least) things stood out for me as I read this – having watched it – were: reading through the lists of donors I couldn’t help but think of the phrase, ‘quid-pro-quo’.
    The other was the statement: “…remove obstacles, to a sustainable, inclusive and resilient world.”: who among us ever believed the globe was not capable of sustainability after only having been around for a few billion years? Mind you, the Grantham Institute and Bob Ward are most definiteky NOT sustainable.

  15. Ian PRSY permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:30 pm

    The problem with this sort of interview (which I watched) is that you have an “expert” being confronted by a “non-believer”, denier even. It would be improved by a follow on interview with, say, Andrew Montford.

    • Harry Passfield permalink
      January 22, 2023 1:37 pm

      Now that, I would like to watch.

  16. Dave Cowdell permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:48 pm

    Nett Zero ? I wonder whether anyone has done the sums? To replace petrol and diesel based on 2021 figures assuming 8.9 and 10 kW/h yield respectively with electricity will require another 15 and 31 GW/h of demand, on top of our current 35 to 49 GW demand. Even on the best of days we rarely see 12 and once in a blue moon 15 GW from wind. So where will we reliably get some 81 to 95 GW?
    Oh and by the way, often quoted is wind “on average” provides X per cent, but electricity demand is just that, instantaneous. Averages don’t fulfill a instantaneous demand.

    • John Brown permalink
      January 24, 2023 2:59 pm

      They’re not wanting us to own a car. The transport minister in 2021, Trudy Harrison, MP said :

      “Owning a car is outdated ’20th-century thinking’ and we must move to ‘shared mobility’ to cut carbon emissions”.

  17. Broadlands permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:51 pm

    As an aside, the Grantham Institute provides funding to support the increasingly left-drifting AAAS. What used to be a non-partisan scientific organization that is now fully “invested” in climate change.

    “Understanding science is our work. Our consensus is that climate change is happening and the risks are real. Learn more about AAAS and the What We Know initiative”

  18. Gamecock permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:53 pm

    Hebephrenic schizophrenia.

    • Ray Sanders permalink
      January 22, 2023 2:13 pm

      “Hebephrenic schizophrenia.” Never heard the term before but so perfectly apt (when I discovered what it meant – learnt something new today again)

  19. January 22, 2023 1:56 pm

    Bob “fastfingers” Ward is the quintessential blowhard.

    Nigel did a good job, calmly sticking to his guns. But it would be great to see Ward up against someone who really knows in depth the energy issues – so long as they didn’t get browbeaten by Ward’s obviously mendacious ranting.

    Ward pretends he is from “a university”, in this case Imperial College, which back in the day was, with M.I.T., one of the greatest universities teaching and developing Engineering. How are the mighty fallen. Ward is as much an Engineer or Scientist as I am a Prima Ballerina. Perhaps he should take time off from spouting bare faced lies and finish his PhD in Paleopiezometry.

    But if he can’t even admit the absolutely irrefutable limitations of Heat Pumps, it is clear why his studies ground to a shuddering halt.

  20. Ray Sanders permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:59 pm

    Tried to watch it but couldn’t get past the three minute mark. The guy is totally effing deranged and looks it.

  21. January 22, 2023 2:06 pm

    GB News seems to be hosting a lot of interviews with egregious nutters, lately. Monday (?) we had a session between Lawrence Fox and that shouty twerp from Just Stop Oil. I like Lawrence but he didn’t handle the ‘protester’ at all well. It needed someone with a much firmer grasp of the facts and who is better able to deal with a ranting liar.

    Nigel did much better.

    But, with Mark Steyn still out of action, I’m concerned that Ofcom may be trying to ‘turn’ GB News. I do hope I’m wrong.

    And Mark needs to get a food taster / minder, I’m afraid.
    I would put nothing past our Beloved Leaders.

  22. CheshireRed permalink
    January 22, 2023 2:13 pm

    Ward is unwatchable. He’s completely unreasonable, evading questions that cause him problems and inventing his own answers to questions that he wasn’t asked.

    • Vernon E permalink
      January 23, 2023 10:58 am

      Sadly, he is also untouchable. I am not sharing the optimism expressed by some commenters that the tide is turning. Nigel has interviewd Ward on a few occasions and I have questioned why he is giving this nutter air time. Not many people are listening to the counter arguments (including politicians, academia and young people generally).

      • catweazle666 permalink
        January 23, 2023 3:46 pm

        The worm is turning.

        Globally, ever-decreasing numbers believe climate change is a serious problem, now down to less than half:

        Concern about climate change shrinks globally as threat grows, survey shows
        Fewer than half of those questioned in global poll believe climate change poses a ‘very serious threat’
        Concerns about climate change shrank across the world last year, with fewer than half of those questioned in a new survey believing it posed a “very serious threat” to their countries over the next 20 years.
        Only 20% of people in China, the world’s biggest polluter, said they believed that climate change was a very serious threat, down 3 percentage points from the last survey by Gallup World Risk Poll in 2019.
        Globally, the figure fell by 1.5 percentage points to 48.7% in 2021. The survey was based on more than 125,000 interviews in 121 countries.

        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/19/concern-about-climate-change-shrinks-globally-as-threat-grows-survey-shows

        Concern about climate change shrinks globally as threat grows – study
        Concerns about climate change shrank across the world last year, a survey shows, with fewer than half those questioned believing it posed a “very serious threat” to their countries in the next 20 years.

        https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/concern-about-climate-change-shrinks-globally-threat-grows-study-2022-10-19/

        Heh – “AS THREAT GROWS”!
        Seems the increasingly frantic alarmist propaganda efforts of the AGW hoaxers are globally failing and they’re starting to panic, doesn’t it?

        As the old saying goes, “you can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”.

        The AGW hoax is dying on its feet.

        But the bedwetters don’t need to worry, the Globalists will dream up something else to make them hand over all their money, lose sleep over, lock themselves up, terrorise their kids and hide behind the sofa very soon now.

        In fact I think they’ll find they already have – GLOBAL PANDEMICS.

  23. sid permalink
    January 22, 2023 2:27 pm

    Could not find “Africa conservation developement board” but there is an ‘African etc’ . Why would a charity for Africa give over £2m to The Grantham Inst. Also who funds them. The above web site is full of emplyees but no founding fathers. Can anyone help?

    • John Hultquist permalink
      January 22, 2023 4:53 pm

      https://afcondev.com/

      https://pitchbook.com/profiles/company/469116-28#overview

      The following page shows the main folks. You can likely learn about them as individuals: Click on
      Ann Frick —
      There is no obvious connection to Africa or conservation, so maybe there is a personal connection to be found.
      John Dennis —
      Managing Partner at Hambleden Capital, specialising in direct investments in financial services,

  24. John Hultquist permalink
    January 22, 2023 4:41 pm

    One might expect a reasonable person to be able to find good causes for £6 million per year.
    For a 10% fee plus expenses, I will fly east (a somewhat polar flight path, I think) and work on this. A base of operations could be in Keswick. Being somewhat central, it would be a good place to travel about for a month and assess the needs.
    Seriously, GB News could do a program where decent people could present ideas on how to spend £6 million. Viewers could suggest topics such as health care, bridge improvements, and wildlife conservation. Over several weeks or months panels could propose ideas. Then send copies to the boards of the many sponsors that now waste their money on Mr. Ward and his fellow travelers.

  25. Martin Green permalink
    January 22, 2023 5:52 pm

    Is there a campaign to resist net zero?

    • Iain Reid permalink
      January 23, 2023 9:57 am

      Martin,

      I have heard little of the parliamentary ‘Net zero scrutiny parliamentary group’ of late. Has the recent Skidmore review of net zero swung the majority, (not that they needed much convincing) of parliament that it is now impossible to change their direction.
      I fear that is the case?

  26. watersider permalink
    January 22, 2023 7:36 pm

    The thing that really pisses us (Thats my beleoved ex fiance of 54 years ago – she is a woman) off, is GB News, instead of interviewing real experts like our venerable host or Arthur Montford or any number of weather experts, they have idiots like Ward and last week some idiot who owns a football team called Forest Green and also owns a bunch of windmills on.
    It could not be anything to do with trying to attract advertisers I suppose.

    • John Brown permalink
      January 24, 2023 3:09 pm

      I think you’re right. I have emailed GB News more than once to say they should be interviewing real experts in energy and climate change and given them suggested names. But they’re not taking any notice…

      • January 29, 2023 1:02 am

        Montford is often on GBnews and TalkTV
        If there are no head to heads with Green PR folks that is cos they refuse to against him

  27. Micky R permalink
    January 23, 2023 6:54 pm

    Surely the opening question to any believer should be “Where is the proof that humans are responsible for dangerous climate change? “

  28. January 23, 2023 7:07 pm

    I would love to know more about what any taxpayer cash that has been given to the Grantham Institute has been spent on and if – unlikely I know – if it has achieved anything useful.

  29. Dazed and conservative . permalink
    January 25, 2023 5:34 pm

    Does Ward really believe any of what he’s saying is true ? Yes or no – either answer is terrifying . Who is putting money in his pocket ?

    • catweazle666 permalink
      January 25, 2023 8:20 pm

      “it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” – Upton Sinclair.

      As to “who is putting money in his pocket ?”, go ask John Gummer and his fellow trough snouters.

  30. January 29, 2023 1:05 am

    Ward is winning
    The energy corps are being handed 4 times as much cash as they would b if the energy market was being run properly
    ie if crazy govts were not restricting supplies by banning fracking etc.

    • catweazle666 permalink
      January 29, 2023 2:42 pm

      “Ward is winning”

      At the moment…

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