Record Temperature In China Not All It Seems
By Paul Homewood
There is a highly coordinated effort taking place to persuade the public that the world’s climate is somehow out of control, with extreme weather everywhere and heatwaves on every continent.
One particular example is a supposed new record temperature in China:
BEIJING, July 17 (Reuters) – A remote township in China’s arid northwest endured temperatures of more than 52 Celsius (126 Fahrenheit) on Sunday, state media reported, setting a record for a country that was battling minus 50C weather just six months ago.
Temperatures at Sanbao township in Xinjiang’s Turpan Depression soared as high as 52.2C on Sunday, state-run Xinjiang Daily reported on Monday, with the record heat expected to persist at least another five days.
The Sunday temperature broke a previous record of 50.3C, measured in 2015 near Ayding in the depression, a vast basin of sand dunes and dried-up lakes more than 150 m (492 ft) below sea level.
I can’t see the heatwave in Beijing particularly affecting that family crossing the road! Looks like they’re having a nice day out.
But back to Sanbao, which sits in the Turpan Depression that is as much as 150m below sea level. According to Wikipedia, the Turpan has a harsh desert climate, and is counted as one of the Furnaces of China. It is believed to be the second or third deepest depression on Earth. it is also the hottest and driest area in China during the summer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpan_Depression
https://www.communityheritagemaps.com/the-turpan-depression-a-look-at-chinas-lowest-point/
The Turpan is not just a furnace because of its desert climate, but also because it is so deep. Just as temperatures fall as altitude rises because of adiabatic cooling, temperatures rise as elevation goes down. The lapse rate would suggest about 1.5C at 500 feet below sea level.
Quite clearly, any record temperature set in the Turpan is meaningless and cannot be compared to other locations in China. It is merely the product of a micro climate.
There is also a second issue here. Sanbao has no official listing or any historical data, not according to KNMI at least. And the Shanghai Daily reported in 2010 that there were only three weather stations in the Turpan – Turpan City, Toksun and Dongkan, all at a much higher elevation than 150m below sea level.
In short we have no way of knowing whether it has been hotter in Saobao in the past, or whether the thermometer there is even properly sited and maintained.
You might just as well claim a record temperature next to the runway at Heathrow!
UPDATE
I have managed to track down the location of Sanbao. As best as I can zoom in, it appears to be around 130 feet below sea level.
https://mapcarta.com/31340260/Map
NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
No surprise there, the ‘warmist’ mob are endlessly trying their ‘scare tactics’ on us, whilst WE’RE having the coolest August in living memory, here in Wales.
AUGUST? We are still in July in England, you are way ahead of us!
But as the welsh glorious leader ( Mark Dickford) states … “We do things different in Wales )
Yes but that’s because of Brexit. We are no longer obliged to have EU weather.
Incidentally I too am in Wales, but very close to Free England. It’s still July here.
I think there is supposed to be a heat wave in the middle of August, so you can be the first to let us know.
Silly me! Have been checking birthdates etc of my 4 kids and went nuts!
Or, of course, in Death Valley, where there will also be an “all time record high” recorded in the next few days. Another deep valley in a desert – surprise!
Apparently the record in Death Valley was 57C in 1913! So this heat wave is just weather.
So many “extreme” (how I have come to loath that now meaningless word) weather events are from new, or recent, weather stations with no relevant histories.
Are people going round looking for places to put stations where differences above the broad local average? Like Heathrow or the deepest place on Earth?
Malcolm, can I add “sustainable”, “green” “climate friendly”, “climate positive” “climate action”, “climate negative”, “climate meltdown” to the list of meaningless nonsense which comes out of the outfall from the sewer which is the arts graduate filled climate industrial complex.
If to take the word green used totally out of context. For something to be green, it needs CO2. The more CO2 the better! Also to be pedantic, green is just the light plants do not need which is why they reflect it away! The reality that the religious zealots desire is brown, not green.
You are certainly welcome to add all that. I very much endorse you further comments.
Importantly, exactly right, you refer to green as the rejected light. That describes the “green humans” as those to be rejected
as useless for life, I really like that idea, thank you.
Blame the technology – modern equipment can be placed in extremely remote locations and report data automatically – of course the extremists look for remote places likely to report extremes.
“…extremely remote locations…”
That has been the trick for a while. I can remember when the predictions were for the here and now, and we were promised we would learn the truth from personal experience. Well we did start to learn, and now we are being told to ignore all that and take it on trust that something momentous is still happening, but in a land far, far away. I seem to remember the two routes of the Silk Road in the Tarim Basin offered the traveller a north or a south way but only a madman would try the centre.
I am certainly not going to travel there. Nobody is! It means they can say the sand is melting if they want!
Well as far as I know the Chinese Met Office has never claimed a temperature record next to a runway at Heathrow.
Reposted from the last thread.
Yes I’d already noticed the similarities, desert/arid, depression/valley, below sea level….. Just like Furnace Creek.
It was very hot around there but 48C briefly was the nearest reading I could find.
Who knows the length of time a thermometer has been there or the quality of the weather station. It seems like one of those freak locations found by modern satellites so they go and put a thermometer there, just as they seem to use satellites to find local upland areas prone to massive rain totals and go and stick a rain gauge there.
No one seems to address possible alternative explanations. For example, the jet stream position sitting over Central Europe prevents any northward movement of hot air from Africa thus heat accumulation. Surely this is weather, not climate
Everything outcome fits climate change, it’s not falsifiable, people should know that by now.
But regardless, such blocked weather patterns and meandering jet streams are all common themes of climate alarmism.
I do not think it is really true that ‘every outcome fits climate change.’ The science is (or maybe ‘was’ – things get worse all the time in modern science) not so degenerate as to proffer explanations that are completely devoid of practical meaning. The problem is that the predictions are so cunningly stated that falsification takes a long, long time. Professor Wadham said dogmatically that changes in the Arctic sea-ice ten to fifteen years ago fitted (his version of) climate change. That is now fully disproved after ten further years of watching the Arctic. A fat lot of good it does us! Every paid-up member of ‘the intelligentsia’ already ‘knows’ the Arctic has already ‘melted’. Should we blame them? I am really not sure. Their emotion is horribly engaged in ‘the project.’ It is human. I would also fear to have the bottom knocked out of my world.
The ‘they’ have to take some account of scientific credibility.
Therefore they will* simply throw people like the old Professor Wadham on the scrapheap, like a spent shell-case, and load the cannon with a new Professor Wadham.
* I think they already have. It was a wee bit embarrassing when he claimed that he was so important as a whistle-blowing climatology genius that the Secret Service was intent on bumping him off.
All our betters in media and The Science see a single data point as significant. Overwhelming, in fact. And provide a steady stream of superlatives, signifying nothing.
“Record rainfall in north east!”
I’m supposed to stop driving my car because it got hot in China. At 500 feet below sea level. In summer.
We can safely say that statistical fallacies work on government educated people. The Science is an indictment of public education.
“Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.” — Conquest
“I’m supposed to stop driving my car because it got hot in China. At 500 feet below sea level. In summer. ”
Yes … you’re starting to get the idea !!!
Isn’t it interesting that our “Balanced and fair” news media, with their “Fact checkers” never allow any comments from people who dissent from the media hype? The brainwashing is frightening.
They will be quoting surface temperatures of 1000C in Iceland next.
It’s rather like we often get reports that the world’s highest temperature has been recorded in Dasht-e-Lut desert in Iran. The reality is that – as far as I am aware – there are no weather stations on the ground in the desert. The so-called measurements are measured by satellite. But chances are that before we were able to monitor data from satellite the record may well have been higher still somewhere – not to mention that all satellite monitoring comes with inaccuracies. Not to measure that in such deserts it is like being in a furnace, with no green vegetation or shade.
It’s easy now to spot the digital thermometers. No-one could read a mercury thermometer to that level of accuracy. There should be an International Standard that determines a minimum length of time a reading must be recorded over. So, for just how long did the thermometer record that reading?
No need to refine that which is insignificant.
The recent news that countries like Norway and Sweden have decided to scale down the Net Zero commitment, that the EU have failed to agree its Net Zero budget, that Net Zero targets globally are nowhere close to being met has the scammers worried. Clearly the ‘climate crisis’ mantra is not getting through so there is a need to ratchet up the scare stories.
The Climate alarmists fear the failure to stick to the timelines agreed at the COP
love ins will reveal there is no climate emergency and/or crisis at all.
Standby for even more wild alarmist stories in the coming days/weeks.
My ‘Times’ today backtracks rapidly on our blazing summer. ‘Disappointing’. ‘Weeks of dreary weather’.
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One wonders how the alarmists will react once winter arrives?especially if we have a nippy one.