European Heatwave Update – AKA It’s Hot In Greece!
July 23, 2023
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
That site is the one that uses fake computer predictions to try to get people believing in their global warming lies .
So just a load more rubbish .
LET’S BE FAIR! Just because all of their previous predictions were falsified by measuring the actual facts of reality doesn’t mean reality control won’t kick in someday. Here in the Southern Hemisphere temperatures are just fine. Maybe that’s why no climate grant-panhandlers ever mention this half of the planet.
At the risk of being boring I shall repeat a post from another thread relating to records in “Sardina” for consideration.
“Okay, this was Sardinia’s view on the situation of their “record” heat .
“Non si arresta l’incremento delle temperature in Sardegna, da quasi due settimane nella morsa del caldo. Oggi che questa ondata di caldo raggiunge il picco sull’Italia, l’isola ha toccato punte di +47°C, in particolare a Sestu, nella città metropolitana di Cagliari, che ha registrato la temperatura di +47,2°C. La Sardegna ha così eguagliato il record per la temperatura più alta mai registrata. Nell’agosto del 1957, si toccarono +47,2°C a Muravera. Anche 66 anni fa, quindi, nell’isola si era raggiunta la stessa temperatura massima di oggi, in barba agli allarmismi tipici del catastrofismo sul cambiamento climatico.”
Translation;
“The increase in temperatures in Sardinia does not stop, for almost two weeks in the grip of the heat. Today, as this heat wave reaches its peak in Italy, the island has reached peaks of +47°C, in particular in Sestu, in the metropolitan city of Cagliari, which recorded the temperature of +47.2°C. Sardinia thus equaled the record for the highest temperature ever recorded. In August 1957, it reached +47.2°C in Muravera. Even 66 years ago, therefore, the same maximum temperature was reached on the island as today, in defiance of the alarmism typical of catastrophism on climate change.”
https://www.meteoweb.eu/2023/07/sardegna-eguagliato-record-storico-caldo/1001274863/
The Sestu location is NOT an official site of the Italian Meteorological Office. The nearest official site to Sestu is at Cagliari airport and only reached 42°C. The next nearest official site was the one I linked to above {“Stazione Metereologica di Decimomannu Aeroporto”} which reached 45.2°C
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Stazione+Metereologica+di+Decimomannu+Aeroporto/@39.3428649,8.9686636,2000m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x12e7471d41ab91ed:0xb29074b5501a0b8a!2sDecimomannu+Air+Base!8m2!3d39.3424003!4d8.9501617!16s%2Fm%2F07k4p6x!3m5!1s0x12e747aa5a69a531:0xacac10169ef64b89!8m2!3d39.343947!4d8.970694!16s%2Fg%2F1q54w11pc?entry=ttu
So yes it was hot, and yes several unofficial sites (of no doubt highly dubious location and accuracy) did measure high temperatures but as far as Sardinia was concerned no official records were broken or even got especially close to being broken.
Of very interesting note is the last sentence above:
” in defiance of the alarmism typical of catastrophism on climate change.”
The Italians all think it is cobblers just like we do.
Footnote: Sanders was not my father’s original surname – he was Italian and his name was Scandolo. He changed his name after joining the British Army in WW2 and working in the Intelligence service (Green Howards)and assuming his new name having watched actor George Sanders in a film. Naturally I have Italian relatives who assure me there was nothing exceptional about the recent heatwave.
Ecco, Ray! Bene! 😀
Grazi, distinti e salute.
Further info regarding the Sestu reading. This is the Cagliari official site
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.2434218,9.0606521,127m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
It is under 3 miles from the Sestu unofficial site and only recorded 42° – are we really supposed to believe that such a short distance from the airport is going to be 5.7 °C ( 10.3°F) hotter? Or isn’t it just a tad more likely that the unofficial site was grossly inaccurate? Very clearly “motivated” journalism.
If we do get another warm spell in the UK this summer I shall start notifying the authorities of the temperature in my south facing conservatory with the windows shut – it regularly goes over 50°C there. Hey I can be the record holder because nobody seems to care about accuracy anymore.
The sun trap beside my garage (central France) is usually 50+ at this time of day at this time of year when the sun is shining. My “official” temperature at this moment is 31.8°. Nothing startling.
But, but, was it climate change that caused the equally high temp in ’57? Some hysterics need to know.
Don’t forget the “man-made” bit of “man-made global warming”.! Your garage is man-made n’est ce pas.
The interesting point is that it reached 47degrees in 1957. That’s 66 years ago! Thus it was this hot that long ago. No warming over 66 years then if we are calculating global warming using extremely localised readings.
What’s more Phoenix, the Muravera 66 year old record site is an official one whilst the Sestu site is in a shopping mall.
Worth watching … send this link https://youtu.be/lvvBp25eh0U
to your public “service” authorities
Science is being abused by those seeking to increase their authority … “confirmation bias”
There was a presentation by prof wendy ugolini – edinburgh uni on line re Italians in the british army you can probably get it by emailing the university,
about 60 min with case studies
The ‘unofficial sites’ may have been recording ground temperatures.
https://www.netzerowatch.com/heatwave-hysteria/
The highest reading was 47.7C official, at the risk of being boring.
I can’t believe how daft people are being saying well it is only this or that temperature here or there at different times and places – as if that means anything at all!
All over S.Europe at various times the predicted temperatures were realised within tiny fractions, mostly they fell just short of the records. I’m ashamed to be associated with people that are trying to deny that a serious heat event actually occurred.
Mr GM forget whether or not it is claimed to be “official”, can you supply details of exactly where this allegedly official record actually occurred? I have checked every official site of the Italian Meteorological Office and none reached over 45.2°C which is 2.5° lower than that claimed by the media.
As an example of how inaccurate some non official sites are, here is the Met Office WOW website https://wow.metoffice.gov.uk
There is a London site currently showing 37°C but obviously despite it being on the “official” met office site it isplain wrong. Would you accept that site it as a record if it showedover 41°C?
If it is “daft”to want accuracy and hard data to study then I am happy to becalled “daft”.
Hot and sunny in Crete, which is what families with only a few weeks holiday choose. There is an interesting tension in ekathimerini.com between the bosses who want to toe the UN/IMF climate emergency line and the tourist industry which pays for everything.
And to return to my favourite gripe, the map is measuring against the average, which is an absurd thing to do. The average may contain temperatures higher than those shown as huge anomalies. Comparing one data point against a long term average is not science, its not maths and its not statistics. It’s literally meaningless. An honest map would measure any anomaly against say 2SDs from the mean. But then there’d be fewer and smaller anomalies, and we can’t have that.
Quite correct and if you follow the excellent John Dee, his research using locations that have record long term records – ie not just since after the war – shows how little daytime maxima have increased while nighttime minima have steadily increased.
Isn’t it always hot in Greece in July.
Yes amazingly – I was there in 1975 on Aegina next to the sea but could not walk around it was so hot – spent whole fortnight going in and out of the sea to try to cool down – Athens was unbearable had to cold shower all day in hotel before heading out to the island.
My brother in law, not a swimmer, had to hire a car with air conditioner and drove around all day to cool down
Greece had serious fires in 2007 and in 2018.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6849727/greece-fires-where-start-dead-killed-athens/
“Citizens’ Protection Minister Nikos Toskas suggested arsonists caused some of the fires.”
Maybe it is a bit early, but perhaps we will learn of the ignition sources for this year’s fires. In the American West, about 84% of fires have ignitions from something humans have done or do. There are education and on-the-ground actions trying to decrease the numbers.
John here is a masters thesis from 2002 by Georgios Maheras about wildfires in Greece.
Click to access maheras_georgios.pdf
As this was from the days when it was not obligatory to blame anything and everything on “climate change” he does not mention it at all. Instead he details and analyses all the numerous causes and discusses remediation practises.
It rather shows up the dangers of blaming everything on climate change when the real reasons are much more involved. A long read but very interesting (to me anyway!)
Thanks Ray. Here is the url:
Click to access maheras_georgios.pdf
At least northern Europe has gone back to blue.
Indications of arson, no sh……
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-greece-rhodes-fires-firefighters-30534110
And today’s CountryFile – increasing wildfires!
Finally tracked down the site of the alleged “record” set in Setsu, Sardinia.
Some points
1. It is NOT an officially recognised station.
2. It is set in then garden of a private residence.
3. It uses low end instrumentation.
4. It does NOT meet satisfactory WMO classification standards – not even 5. And if you don’t understand Italian you would have one hell of a job finding it.
Here it is (exact coordinates are 39.3069N 9.0764E)
https://www.google.com/maps/place/39°18'24.8“N+9°04’35.0″E/@39.3068623,9.0763158,63m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d39.3069!4d9.0764?entry=ttu
In a nutshell any readings taken at this site are at best JUNK.
But hey I must be “daft” to query it.
Warning the stations website flagged as “Not Secure” on my laptop so take care if you view it.
http://www.sardegna-clima.it/stazioni/new/list.php?idp=CA&%20ids=18#
Give it a rest, loads of places as official/valid as any met office site all over Europe recorded temperatures within a fraction of those predicted in the mid 40s. It’s a pathetic line of attack to claim it wasn’t a serious heatwave and it didn’t happen and nonsense on stilts to claim ground temperatures were interchanged when ground temperatures were 60C.
You’re just making skeptics look like total, and I use the phrase with regret, deniers.
Have you actually viewed the image linked to above? The cordinates given are from the Sestu Agro station site itself. Why this”give it a rest” attitude? Have you suddenly become the self appointed police officer of this site? If Paul doesn’t like my points he can remove them.
Grim sounds like 77th brigade troll – 5th columnist type
Mr Grim Nasty. Undoubtedly there has been a heatwave. The question is , was it unique?
Ray has usefully pinpointed the site used for the record which really shouldn’t be used. The official site nearby was 5degrees cooler.
I agree with your general point that sceptics are sometimes too quick to rubbish the records (although Ray wasn’t doing that)
I did a thorough examination through an actual visit to Cambridge Botanical gardens of the record set there a couple of years ago. Through urbanisation inside and outside the garden, it is now a totally unsuitable site, but the met office, despite having the shortcomings pointed out to them, insisted on verifying it.
As for the 60C, I saw this very figure being quoted as ‘proof’ by a letter writer in my local newspaper. They are the sort that would be going on marches but unfortunately they rarely have genuine knowledge of the subject
Ray Your link leads to an area off the coast of West Africa. Have you got the correct one please?
Either go to google maps and input coordinates 37.065532N 15.279144E or alternatively copy and paste the full link above into the Google maps web browser.
Under replies this website only highlights the first part of the link but you can alternativel click on this abbreviated link.
https://tinyurl.com/Syracuse-site
Ray. Thanks. What on earth is it? It seems to be in an agricultural area but has some curious strips which may be driveways or may be polytunnels!
Sorry Ray, i see that above you say it is the Sestu agro site. Can’t see where the instrument itself is situated. It could be a thermometer hanging on a wall or a relatively proper one in a Stevenson screen that doesn’t fulfil official criteria.
It really is difficult to rate “private” weather sites. A friend of mine runs one locally in Kent that is probably better than the majority of official Met Office sites but that is likely the exception. Then again some of them really are thermometers hanging off the door of a garden shed and quite absurd.
Paul has recently provided the WMO siting standards and most private sites get nowhere near close to acceptable and a very large proportion of the Met Office ones don’t either.
What almost has a sinister connotation is that the sites of “records” are regularly predicted days before the actual event. What does that tell you?
Paul,
This appears to be where the media and climate alarmists are getting the headlines “hottest evah” temperature from.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Maxcrc
These absurd temperatures came from the European Space Agency (ESA) and their Copernicus Sentinel-3 satellite. But this satellite was measuring surface temperatures, not Stevenson Screen air temperatures.
It was all hocus-pocus disinformation.
ESA has put out an explanation (not exactly an apology), as in the link below. But the trouble is – the damage has already been done, and none of the media are publishing corrections and apologies. The scare story has run around the world, and the apology has not even got its sneakers on yet.
The ESA disinformation-claim, and accompanying apology-explanation.
https://www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/Copernicus/Sentinel-3/Europe_braces_for_sweltering_July
Ralph
If you read it properly you’d see the distinction between land surface and standard 2m temps is perfectly clear. Yes they mention some surface temperatures, but the 48C prediction refers to 2m air and was nearly obtained/recorded, 44-47.7C multiple sites, even if some people can’t accept it. Land surface temperatures are obvious higher, 60C in Andalusia for instance when it recorded 43/45C proper.
No Mr GM, I am not confusing ground and air temperatures. I am clearly PROVING that the air temperature “records” were at poor quality non official sites which have known wide error margins.
All those higher temperatures in Sardinia were recorded at private sites. The official Italian Meteorological sites did not record figures anything like that high. Why are trying to rudely shout down discussion in the face of the hard evidence I have provided? If you really want I can supply you with the entire list of sites in Sardinia recording those high temperatures to demonstrate my point. Have you even tried to find any of them?
Clearly?
Not so, Mr Nasty. We are dealing with newspaper reporters here, most of whom have barely left kindergarten (and have an agenda to fulfil). It was far from clear, which is why ESA had to add the addendum saying:
Quote:
The image below uses data from the Copernicus Sentinel-3 mission’s radiometer instrument and shows the land surface temperature on 17 July 2023. Land surface temperature is how hot the ‘surface’ of Earth feels to the touch. Air temperature, given in our daily weather forecasts, is a measure of how hot the air is above the ground.
Endquote.
It was the original ESA report and map that sparked the media frenzy about record temperatures (including on the BBC). That is why the BBC credit ESA for the report.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66197368
But the whole ESA report was disinformation. It displayed scary red and purple ground temperature maps, which no weather report ever does. And it plucked some ‘forecast’ temperatures out of thin air.
Meanwhile, people actually in Europe are reporting normal summer weather.
P.S. Air temperatures are not taken 2m above the ground. I have never yet had to climb a ladder to get to a Stevenson Screen.
R
The problem I have Ralf is that the WMO seem to regularly endorse these ridiculous records. The 2022 Sicillian (and European) record was from a site with cordinates 37.065532N 15.279144E which from google maps is here.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/37°03'55.9“N+15°16’44.9″E/@37.0656044,15.2793569,131m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d37.0655278!4d15.2791389?entry=ttu
This is an official site in Syracuse (Floridia) and run by the Italian military.
I am confident that the site really did register such a high temperature but it really is not even remotely close to any official WMO siting standard…the scale stops at 5 at the worst and this site is worthy of 10+! They might just as well have put the thermometers in a low oven for 15 minutes.
I have come to the conclusion that the WMO is to science integrity what the Mafia is to law enforcement.
Another time that European humans were suffering climate hysteria:
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/07/22/the-climate-witch-trials/