The Labour Party–Where 6 Is Greater Than 12!
August 7, 2023
By Paul Homewood
JHB demolishes the clueless Labour Shadow Justice Secretary, Steve Reed.
He has no idea how much of our energy comes from wind and solar, despite being adamant that we can run the country without fossil fuels in the not too distant future.
But in this little segment, he is insistent that we don’t get as much from wind and solar as France does!
https://youtu.be/rn5g_8ha_74?t=508
For the clueless Reed, these are the comparative figures for 2022:
Wind/Solar as % Of Primary Energy
UK – 12.0%
France – 6.6%
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
Thicker than the average MP, about a million trillion times.
To quote Harry Enfield:
Is that what you want, ‘cos that’s what you’ll get?
The rats in both Houses of Parliament are low grade, low IQ and low morals.
Where’s the Alternative for England party?
ALL MP s are thick!
JHB for Prime Minister. I’d vote for her.
Sorry, except for Andrew Bridgen.
How is it even possible to be so stupid? So totally unable to understand, and respond appropriately to, the simplest point? I was talking to my two-year old grand-niece yesterday and her brain was already working at a higher level.
We were discussing whether her ‘fizzy’ water was food or drink. She pointed out it was not in her sippy-cup and she was eating it with a spoon. That was conclusive. And then she sent it flying with said spoon because her motor-control is not quite as good as her reasoning, and called imperiously to her heavily pregnant mother to get down on her hands and knees and clear up.
He is performing for the elite. The goal is to be patted on the head for repeating the elites dogma.
Being horrendously wrong doesn’t matter. Approval from the elite is what matters.
Emporer’s clothes.
“He is performing for the elite.”
Of course. But I wonder if some of them do not groan and say, “The stupidity of our latest batch of useful idiots frightens even me!”
The Labour MP claimed that energy prices had not risen as much in France as in the UK. Unfortunately neither of them had realised that Macron had ordered EDF not to raise prices leading to their full nationalisation as the company went bust
Have you looked at the price of diesel in France? It is extortionate at two Euro per litre, most of which (like the rest of Europe) is TAX
>>energy prices had not risen as much in France
Where does the €2/l price come from?
I was in France at the end of last month and the local service stations in Savoie were charging €1.70 – 1.80. Motorway prices were closer to €2 but,like here, that is not the whole market.
Maybe it was only motorways, but look at this (July 31, 2003) which does not seem to be motorways.
https://www.cargopedia.net/europe-fuel-prices and they don’t seem to be motorway prices.
Swtizerland and the UK are very strange. Looks like the politicians in those countries hate their own populations even more than the others in Western Europe by making diesel more expensive than petrol. Look at what that is doing to the price of _everything_
>>Where does the €2/l price come from?
That link shows diesel in France at €1.742 per litre, in line with what I paid recently.
But that link is not motorways. If you do the sums on what a barrel of oil actually costs, the price at the pump should be a lot lower. The problem is the TAX. Look for example at Turkey, other Eastern European countries and the USA.
>>That link shows diesel in France at €1.742 per litre, in line with what I paid recently.
Another Labour PM with little to no grip on reality. Shows Steve Reed is out of his deapth when it comes to confusing energy, power and electricity generation.
“…confusing…”
It may be that most people genuinely think that getting electricity to be all-renewable is enough. It is not that they are confused between oil use and electricity use. It is that they do not know that oil use and electricity use are the same sort of thing.
It could be the “availability heuristic.” They only hear the word “power” in the context of electricity while natural gas is coupled with the word “heating” and gasoline with the word “transport.” Perhaps they think these latter activities have nothing to do “energy”?
Or perhaps a penetrating inquisition would reveal that most people have not the foggiest idea about “energy” in the usage of the exact sciences.
Dave , in my experience very few people know the difference between power and energy .
And if you tell them that what comes out of a ” POWER STATION ” is energy , not power , they will never understand how that can be .
” It could be the “availability heuristic.” They only hear the word “power” in the context of electricity while natural gas is coupled with the word “heating” ”
In the UK gas and electricity are both sold by the KW/h and the price quoted for the energy cap is based on typical annual consumption of 12,000kWh for gas and 2,900kWh for electricity – i.e about the average British home uses x4 as much gas vs electricity which in turn is just under 25% of energy directly used in the home.
I can see why people may not be aware of how much energy their car uses but how can a MP honestly not be able to read a electricity or gas bill or be aware of basic primary school level science?
The real problem is electricity generation and capacity. The politicians are completely mad in their efforts to replace reliable coal, gas and nuclear with intermittent, weather-dependent wind and solar. The attacks on cars and gas heating and cooking are a diversion away from the actual problem. The only problem with petrol and diesel is the extortionate level of TAX at point of sale.
>>people may not be aware of how much energy their car uses
yes, the real problem is electricity generation and capacity + fuel security as we have replaced coal and let be honest nuclear which both had on site fuel storage with natural gas and we have virtually no gas storage and even if we did have similar level to say Germany 90 days is nothing compared to being able to stockpile years worth of coal and you could
realistically stockpile decades or even a reactors life time worth of nuclear fuel is you really wanted to.
Also most of the CCGTs in GB don’t have onsite fuel unlike the island of Ireland so if there are shortfall of natural gas we will have to resort to rota disconnection in GB.
This is before we get to the mess of increasing electricity demand e.g heat pumps and battery electric vehicles without sufficient dispatchable capacity they can realistically match the load profile (i.e. no claiming you can meet heat pump demand with solar generation)
I don’t think any European politicians in the West have a grip on reality. They are all obsessed with the “climate”, “green” and “net zero” frauds, all of which make life worse for ordinary people.
Where’s Diane Abbot when she’s needed?
Hey. Steady on!
Diane’s behind the scenes finger counting masterclass course has a fresh graduate – obvious innit ?
Are those figures based on ‘nameplate’ or ‘delivered’?
Politicians and the eco people remind me of Harry Enfield and his ‘I saw you coming’ comedy videos. The reality is that the politicians at the top know that it is all nonsense and is part of the globalist agenda, which includes them.
Fossil fuels are need to make war and no country is going to give up making war, particularly the US whose economy runs on war.
Unless we go back to bowa, arrows, swords and those wonderful suits of armour.
By the way isn’t oil based plasitics needed for those EV charging cables?
Tyres as well Rosso. Oil supplies the butadiene, styrene and carbon black. Nobody thinks to ask a protestor how they will propel their EVs/transport. Maybe the rumours about going back to the horse and cart are true.
“Nobody thinks to ask a protestor how they will propel their EVs/transport. Maybe the rumours about going back to the horse and cart are true.”
These people are not protestors they are terrorists – a person who uses unlawful violence (false imprisonment) and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Can you imagine an anti abortion group falsely imprisoning people by trapping them in motor vehicles and the people involved & funding it not being charged under terrorism legislation.
Then before we get to plastic I want these just stop oil types to explain how were are going to produce food for 8+ Billion people.
Are they especially the academics planning to work on a farm since more manual labour will be required without diesel machines? How many deaths are acceptable in the transition to no fossil fuels and are they prepare to abandon their policy if it kills people?
The media should be asking the likes of JSO and other eco loons a whole load of penetrating questions about where they think their food, heating, clothes, essential plastics, vehicle tyres etc would come from without oil. But they don’t and I think this is either because the reporters are too thick and lazy to do so, or they have been captured by the “climate emergency” mythology and have become true believers in this new religion.
Fossil fuels are needed to make war and no country is going to give up making war, particularly the US whose economy runs on war.
Unless we go back to bows, arrows, swords and those wonderful suits of armour.
By the way isn’t oil based plastics needed for those EV charging cables?
Vaguely related question.
Does anyone know why, when Hurricane, sorry Storm Anthoni passed over the country for the whole of the last week we only got a maximum of 10GW from our turbines?
In fact a lot of the time the interconnectors having been supplying more. Today for instance.
Here in Suffolk it was pretty much a dead calm – those whirligigs are only a few miles away in the North Sea.
Too windy??
Not everywhere, and the turbines can cope with winds up to 25 m/s. So many of the wind turbines would have not been adversely affected.
But for the last 7 days output has only broken 10GW a couple of times which isn’t great for 28GW installed
Wind turbine blades are auto locked at wind speeds exceeding approx 55mph to prevent damage that’s why on really windy days, wind power is zero in those really windy areas
Wind turbine blades are locked at wind speeds exceeding 55mph to prevent turbine rotational damage that’s why turbines are normally seen not turning on really windy days, in that particular windy area
I think the 12% figure for solar+wind as a percentage of UK primary energy is too high ?
I think it should be about 7% ?
I checked the 2021 government figure (DUKES). Wind wave & solar produced 5.69% of the energy provided for electricity generation and home heating/ industrial use.
Thanks for checking the facts Vincent. I thought 12.0% was too high. I was thinking electricity is less than 20% of total energy use and wind+solar is about 35% of that.
I think possibly the 12.0% figure might come from the substitution method ?
“…the 12.0% might come from…”
The notional supply-capacity, so beloved of the scammers, rather than the achieved supply?
dave: in some ways it is fair enough. Depends how you look at it.
The 5.69% actual figure would replace 12% of the fossil fuels. That is the rational behind it.
Also it would be interesting to look at the French figure of 6.6%, because most electricity there is nuclear and they are less dependent on fossil fuels to start with.
“The 5.69% actual figure would replace 12% of the fossil fuels.”
Er, no, I do not think that is the meaning. All the figures are already reduced to “Tons of Oil Equivalent.”
France is not a good comparable, in any case, since they effectively decided to always use more electricity per capita than the U.K. when they built their nuclear power infrastructure.
The 5.69% is the percentage produced by wind wave & solar of the total of all other types of energy, gas, nuclear, coal, oil, hydro, imports, used by the UK in 2021 and measured in TWh. Thus to provide a total electrical economy by producing 96% of the energy needed will take many, many years and £billions, several new nuclear power stations, several tidal schemes, thousands of wind turbines with gas station backup.
Dave and Vincent Booth: we aren’t told about the provenance of the 12.0% figure. I am speculating about why there is an apparent discrepancy between that and the 5.69% figure from DUKES.
My theory is that the 12.0% figure might come from the substitution calculation method. It’s only a theory. It might simply be a typo for all I know.
It has to be said though, there is a certain rational behind the substitution method, because electricity is very often used more efficiently than fossil fuels. For example an EV might be 85% efficient, whereas an ICE vehicle might be (say) 25% efficient. An electric heat pump might have three times the efficiency of a gas boiler. On the other hand, a gas oven has a similar efficiency to an electric oven, but even so, averaged over the whole of society, electricity will be used more efficiently than fossil fuel. So I can see the logic.
It is the overall “efficiency” that is important. What is “efficient” about recharging multiple times (and _each_ of those recharges takes longer than the one-time refill of maximum 10 minutes with diesel/petrol) for the same actual use?
Using the example numbers, 85 divided by 25 = approx three. Suspiciously similar to the more times you have to recharge an EV for the same use.
>>For example an EV might be 85% efficient, whereas an ICE vehicle might be (say) 25% efficient
Realist: all that is true, but it isn’t relevant to the point under discussion. It wasn’t about the efficiency of our time use, it was about where does the figure of 12.0% come from ? Why is it so discrepant with the 5.69% figure from DUKES ?
Alarmists pick numbers out of thin air / simply invent them and hope nobody notices
>>Why is it so discrepant
Correction, 94%
Why is the Shadow Justice Secretary put up to answer questions on energy?? I would readily admit that Labour’s energy gobshite is unlikely to be any less ignorant.
Never underestimate the power of Organized Labour.
Politicians know how much nut zero will cost taxpayers, estimated at almost a trillion pounds up to 2050 by some analysts – they just dare not admit it – from the citizens point of view, would you buy a new car or home if the seller wouldn’t tell you the cost so you sign up to a never ending credit agreement for x pounds per month? No, neither would I
If only every Govt had people in charge of Depts who were competent to be so, that would be refreshing