Net Zero is condemning more Brits to energy poverty-Ross Clark
By Paul Homewood
h/t Philip Bratby
Here’s another great idea from the net zero establishment: only heat your home when it is warm and sunny outdoors. In its Sixth Carbon Budget paper, the government’s Climate Change Committee advises homeowners to turn their heating on in the afternoon, so that they can turn it off again during the evening when demand for electricity is higher. ‘Where homes are sufficiently well-insulated,’ it says, ‘it is possible to pre-heat ahead of peak times, enabling access to cheaper tariffs which reflect the reduced costs associated with running networks and producing power during off-peak times.’ In other words, boil yourself when the outdoor temperature is relatively warm, and with any luck you might still be tolerably warm when it is freezing outdoors at eight in the evening.
The advice is an admission of where we are headed. At the moment, for most of us, there is no difference between the price of electricity during the afternoon and the evening – it is only at night that we can buy off-peak electricity. That is not how it looks like being in the future. A big part of the plan for decarbonising the electricity system is to manage demand by varying tariffs throughout the day. That is the whole point of smart meters. We had a foretaste of this last winter when customers with smart meters were offered small discounts if they agreed to turn off appliances during the early evening on days when demand was high but, thanks to a lack of sun and wind, renewable energy was in short supply.
That, however, is only the beginning. At the moment, with the help of back-up from gas plants, we don’t have a huge problem in balancing demand and with supply. But by 2035 (2030 in the case of the Labour party) the government wants to remove all fossil fuels from the electricity grid. What do we do then? No-one seems able to explain. Investment in – very expensive – energy storage isn’t coming along at anything like the pace it would need to if we are going to be able to enjoy an uninterrupted supply of power throughout the day. Given that the supply of wind energy can fall away to virtually nothing during calm periods, and solar energy falls to zero every evening, we have a very serious problem. The tendency for still periods to concur with the coldest winter nights exacerbates the problem – especially if the country does as the government wants and switches to heat pumps.
As you can see, from the report of the Commons Business Select Committee ‘demand-side response’ is a big part of the energy industry’s plans. But it isn’t going to be nice little incentives like those offered to householders last winter in the form of £10 vouchers and the like. In future there will be a lot less carrot and a lot more stick – with surge pricing structures akin to those used by companies like Uber. Just think of the price of electricity is going to have to be jacked up to match supply and demand on a cold, still winter’s evening when – in normal times – demand would be at its highest.
In Britain’s net zero future it won’t just be a case of turning your heating on a few hours early to pre-heat your home. Many customers face being priced out of the electricity market altogether when supply of renewables is weak. On a sunny, windy afternoon you may be able to turn on your heating with abandon, even if you don’t need it on. But freezing, still evenings? Maybe there will be a special deal on woolly jumpers.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/net-zero-is-condemning-more-brits-to-energy-poverty/
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If you have electricity heating it could work for homes
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There is a peak demand in the early evening for cooking and heating. It is possible to move the heating demands earlier.
Nope. Still not getting it. How do you know how many people are going to volunteer for this?
I have no idea. But they would be persuaded to do it with much cheaper electric from 3-5pm
So you’re flogging Smart meters them.
I don’t begin to SUPPORT it.
Just explaining it for people who seem not to understand
No one with any sense, common or financial, would have electric heating, storage or heat pump – it’s expensive tat that is always vulnerable to remote high tariff switching by those suppliers that do – any off peak periods become peak when a significant number switch to it – it’s a silly DS control mechanism that benefits suppliers with smart meter customers
agreed.
In 2016 a Government committee ,[ not the present load of idiots ] , concluded that electric heating could not work as it would need an increase in generation capacity of 400% .
So even if you spread the load over the day into the less demand times , it is still impossible .
Last Winter , on a lot of the colder days , there were power cuts over the country somewhere . usually only a few thousand homes in one area at a time , and explained away as routine maintenance or line faults whatever . But the fact is that we do not have enough generation at the moment , and any increase in home electric heating or more EVs will only make it worse .
It might be OK if a few people did it, but if everyone switches on a heat pump at the same time those will be the hours when demand is highest. If it’s 3-5pm in winter even on a sunny day output from solar panels will be falling off a cliff (a pretty low one to start with) and very little wind will mean nowhere near enough supply. Maybe if the second part of your post code starts with 1 you can heat your home on Monday, Tuesday if it starts with 2 etc.
One day the idiocy of NetZero will hit home but there are so many nincompoops in government that it may take a long, long, time.
Please remember nut zero is a cash cow for some – MPs see that rather than its adverse effects on consumers
as heat pumps work best when its warm and sunny it seems that we have hit on the ideal product for the new order
Heat pumps are not suitable for 95% of current UK housing stock – they are expensive to buy / install, rads & pipework need upgrading, you may need underfloor heating too, there is an increased risk of legionnaires disease in the cooler system water aerosols (shower etc), they are useless at outside temps below 5degC, they are noisy, will run 24/7, heating & water will only be tepid at best – you are burning cash & energy to stay cold
I already commented on Ross’s Telegraph article, pointing out that all that will happen if you shift peak demand from 7pm to 3pm is that prices will follow as night follows day.
I’m not sure whether the people that think up these ideas are cretins or whether they think we are.
It’s not an either or…
Correct Mike – moving peak tariffs around is akin to sticking a plaster on an amputated leg – once more consumers move activity times for a cheaper tariff, the new peak also moves, resulting in an higher tariff – suppliers have already been caught out remote switching smart meters to expensive tariffs, most consumers won’t even know until the bill arrives – in my advice, avoid smart meters like the plague
The only reason suppliers spout this kind of rubbish is because windy& solar cannot supply demand, so they plan to control your demand instead of investing in stable, reliable power generation supply (gas, coal, nuclear)
“demand-side response”
Saw a similar thing from Severn-Trent Water when plans to extend the Derwent Reservoirs was rejected. They were going to use resource management, aka Hosepipe Bans and showering together, to ensure supplies are maintained
DSR – the white flag surrender of consumer demand to increasing intermittent, weather dependent renewable generation – The green blob, Ofgem, Govt, suppliers, renewables generators are desperate (first nudge, then force) to curb consumer demand because the green crap cannot supply it
Just when I think the level of stupidity in the government’s climate change committee has reached an all time high – they surpass themselves yet again.
JS Gummer did quite nicely from it, by around £600k according to reports
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-peer-lord-deben-in-row-over-600-000-green-payments-rndnwj6bz
What a load of woke codswallop
‘demand-side response’
Gamecock worked in power cost management for 30+ years.
You will not get voluntary ‘demand-side response.’ Ain’t going to happen. So ‘demand-side response’ means cutting off people’s power.
Addendum: a GC principal of project management:
“If you are making plans for someone, include them in your planning.”
All these fabulous government plans are being made without the participation of those affected. Disaster is baked in.
+1 GC.
DSR = our useless intermittent, weather dependent wind & solar won’t meet demand so we will curb your demand, by nudge, or force
I have been warning people for many years not to allow a smart meter to be fitted, as it was obvious from the start that the long term intent was to control your electricity use. When will people stop being so gullible?
Correct Phillip – smart meters, with remote tariff / power isolation capability are not for consumer benefits
From the Renewable Energy Hub: “The best weather for heat pumps to operate in is warm or moderate”.
I had a heat pump air conditioner in my flat in Tel Aviv, and it worked well when I needed cool air. In the winter, when I needed WARM air – not so well!
“The Government’s Climate Change Committee”. Not someone I voted for! The CCC is NOT a democratic organisation. We need government ‘by the people’ at the very least, those who were voted for. A bit of a novelty, I’m sure
The Climate Change Act, forced by Milliband & May, needs repealing and self serving, unelected, unaccountable quangos like the CCC need disbanding – there is no climate emergency
https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/
I just wonder how many people will actually ‘conform’ to this scam? Already some articles and some blogs that are hypercritical of every aspect of the net zero policy are entering the public domain, and publicity of the barking emanations from the CCC eventually will make them and their political sponsors laughing stock. Already the current Administration under the Conservative Party is being vilified for crass judgements and policy decisions, from which that Party has already lost so much support, and subscribers as mine.
The lucky ones will live outside the urban jungle, where resources for off-grid living would be possible. As for those within, heaven help with the break down of order and the collapse of authority.
Back in the seventies we had electric storage heaters powered by Economy 7. These heaters were very good at moving our demand for electricity from peak to off-peak. Sadly there were not very good at keeping us warm in the evening and were replaced with gas central heating as soon as we could afford it.
These days, if you can afford it, if is simple to switch electricity demand to off peak by installing a battery, charging it during off-peak and discharging it during peak time. Domestic batteries can also be used for storing PV generated electricity for when the sun goes down.
Of course not everyone has the space and funds needed for PV and battery in their home, but for those that do it works very well.
Electric heating these days tend to be based on heat pumps which usually run 24/7 so the proposal doesn’t seem to be a useful way of switching demand.
Sounds like a hefty bung on some portable petrol/diesel generator Companies is in order. Meanwhile, can we find someone sensible to vote for?