When Gummer Attacks You, You Must Be Doing Something Right!
By Paul Homewood
h/t Paul Kolk
The dinosaur still does not get it:
Unconservative?
Conservatism is about being pragmatic, fiscally competent and defending personal freedoms from the abuses of state power.
It is not conservative to force the public to spend tens of thousands on products they don’t want.
It is not conservative to ban things.
It is not conservative to wreck the car industry.
It is not conservative to endanger our electricity grid.
It is not conservative to damage the economy in pursuit of a target that is meaningless, given the continued growth in global emissions.
It is not conservative to blindly carry on with policies which are not working.
Above all it is not conservative to bypass the public and effectively hand control of public policy to a tiny, unelected clique of extreme climate activists and the renewable lobby.
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
What is Seldom Dumber’s sole claim to fame?
Something to do with child abuse on live TV if I remember…
Given that BSE was a none existent problem and nothing but media scaremongering based on dodgy computer models and a mountain of assumptions on a molehill of facts/evidence, giving his daughter a beef burger on live TV was about the only sensible thing he’s ever done.
Gummer has had his nose in the climate hysteria trough for so long that anything he says can safely be ignored as it’s only him trying to make more straw for his sty.
It is funny that nothing has been done about the money Deben was being paid to promote the Green Scam .
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tory-peer-lord-deben-in-row-over-600-000-green-payments-rndnwj6bz
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gummer was interviewed by Chris Packham on his c4 documentary last week and they both talked a load of B*ll*cks
No surprise there.
No great fan of Lord Deben, but as the Minister of Agriculture at the time, he had to give that hamburger to his daughter, as an expression of his faith in the safety of British beef. The alternative would have collapsed the market. I told him so when that daughter graduated along side my own at St Andrews many years later. And he was right about that beef!!!
Sorry Ken, that doesn’t change the date that he is – and ran – an undemocratic committee advising the government without any consideration of them being ever so slightly wrong.
Date = fact.
I have no quarrel with that. The CCC should not be taken as a source of truth on climate change. My point was much narrower and concerned Gummer as Min of Ag. A common cause of ridiculing him, but, in this one case, not justified.
Re the recent stance on climate change, Lord Deben is as guilty as anyone…
What did he say when you asked “why did you not eat it yourself”
The delicate constitution of his very young daughter was a much better test than having him eat it himself, as I am sure you recognise. And I was not present when it happened…
The delicate constitution of his very young daughter was a much better test than having him eat it himself, as I am sure you recognise. And I was not present when it happened…
He was right about the beef but you were too polite, he could simply have eaten the burger himself.
Gummer ( Deben ) is way past his sell by date
he should have been retired years ago
Yet he was still parroting nonsense on the Climate Change Committee a few weeks ago
The CCC ? Should be shut down
To a very large extent, blame Ed Miliband- he set it all up , CCCommittee, CCActs (2008,9)
Therefore, he has behaved like a foreign agent and very successfully too.
It is not Conservative to institute censorship and abolish free speech, as this Govt has just done with its Online Censorship Bill and its promotion of OfCom to full Ministry of Truth powers.
I’m not sure this Conservative government has done anything Conservative in 15 years, other than forcing through Brexit, and even then it took a highly non-Conservative view of the various agreements. We have much higher taxes, much higher spending, far more laws and regulations, far more state control of the economy, far more Left-wing influence in schools, universities and the civil service. It’s as if we never got rid of Blair.
I never liked Blair or his works, but maybe he opened some eyes – just that they saw the wrong things first – like a baby bird ” Mama ! ” ?? ! so So in ither wirds , this lot is Bird brained
Your last paragraph says it all, Paul. Well said.
Paul, I’m really beginning to feel that your site has been got at. Not only do I now have to login to leave a comment but I have to do so for every comment. At least I’ve managed to figure out the rather stupid lion screen….
Lion = logon!
The wording suddenly changed. You don’t actually need to login with WordPress or Facebook. Use the last icon on the right and enter an e-mail address and a name.
Also make sure you set “email me new posts” and “email new comments” so that they are active. Inexplicably, the default is “not active”
>>Not only do I now have to login to leave a comment
Harry, I had the same problem last week. I changed my user name and password, then eventually I got this email: “Cool, you are now subscribed to notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com and will receive an email notification when a new post is published”. It seems to be all right now.
His feeding trough is being emptied.
Old Gummy bear. The man who force fed his daughter a beef burger at the height of the mad cow hysteria.
Conservatives love their country.
Liberals love their government.
Conservatives believe people should be free.
Liberals believe people should be controlled.
“liberals” is another word that got hijacked. Control freaks are the very opposite of the dictionary definition
Agreed. They are simply communists.
@Harry P
Perhaps your system needs an update.
Neither a lion or a logon issue do I have.
Dear Sirs
I resent the accusation that Liberals want to control everything. That is an Americanism, perhaps. Not suitable on a site based in the United Kingdom where there used to be a Liberal Party in Parliament. They were all about being liberal ( English Word) with regulation and voting rights and so on. Consult 19th Century history text books. Also I object to Labour Party being used by people who do not represent the workers but only leftwing graduates in the news media.
The newsmedia seems full of people with no background in English and Scottish history and often have English as their second language. ( I write from New Zealand where headlines often make me wonder if the editors passed their Basic English class.examination) 🙂
“regulation”
Not free. Controlled.
That last paragraph: Quite pertinent regarding Sue Braverman’s speech and derived comments this morning. Brilliant! – Shines the light in what do not want to be saying.
Grifting is an addiction, like the casino except the odds are stacked in your favour. So they continue to do it in retirement, no amount is too much or too obscene.
Trafficking influences is a crime in most European countries and he’s guilty as hell.
No-one seems to be mentioning Piers Forster, who has notionally taken over from Deben.
https://www.theccc.org.uk/2023/06/22/ministers-appoint-interim-chair-to-the-ccc/
Despite having already spent over 2 years trying to find a permanent successor so far they have failed. Who is the position being kept warm for?
Sharma?
Huh, Gummer should have been bumped off YEARz ago when he was in the Agri dept. we wouldn’t have to suffer the idiot now. WHO is pulling strings ?
Reversal will damage Lord Deben’s family business ( green-scamming ).
I can only ( unfortunately HAVE to, on behalf of all those silent & affected by his work on Earth) say:GOOD ! So it’s all in the framework of the “Greater Good of Mankind / society” , – They say. Proof ? WHY and keep on asking WHY .
(Breaking News) ROSEBANK approved ! Heating oil going cheaper now ?
A couple of years ago I went to a public meeting about the climate panic next to the River Deben. As a non-believer I only asked one question – how the output of wind turbines was monitored to ensure the generator capacity was not under-declared to maximise the subsidy. The ‘noble lord’ didn’t know.
My impression was that he is a man who doesn’t listen, and in a government of limp intellects his purported conviction means it’s easier for them to agree like the nodding donkeys they are.
JF
Gummer has show over the decades that he has no interest in any opinion other than his own.
Truly, a legend in his own lunchtime
A legend ? Hoh, noh! a Shitstirrer in the Trough, more likely. Even amongst porcine, there are good n bad – but not that one. Hah look what I found: Pigs are one of four known mammalian species which possess mutations in the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor that protect against snake venom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig
I can vouch for that going back to the only time I was actually in his presence 60 years ago. He was leading a troop of delegates to a Conservative students conference. He (and his acolytes) thought he was wonderful; those of us from less exalted seats of learning had another word!
That’s sadly the way the british world works…. Who ever heard of Merit? – that’s how I was brought up and in school – Don’t you think I am BESIDE MYSELF WITH ANGER about this way of doing things nowadays? and then they go on to teach us about Anger MANAGEMENT ! maybe better to have alleviated the problem in the first place!
Another summer ends in the Arctic!
Th low point of sea-ice cover was five “Wadhams.” We may note that “the new normal” is for summer to end in the middle of September.
https://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
What an absurdity it was, when ‘they’ predicted the permanent disappearance of all summer sea-ice by 2015!
But they succeeded in getting people to believe it matters.
In fact, LESS Arctic sea ice is desirable.
The Conservatives have not been Conservative for 50 years or more, other than a brief interlude under Thatcher, just as Republicans have not been Republican for decades except under Reagan. Since 1945, both major parties have been converging on a supposedly technocratic, managerial politics that mirrors the way the EU sees the world – run by clever people making regulation. The Left understand this which is why we see the Corbyns and Sanders of this world pop up every so often, but they too fail. Much of Europe went down this path too – what does Macron stand for exactly? What is the difference in Germany between the two main parties? This is “consensus politics”, where all politicians broadly agree on everything and think because they agree with each other they must be right. That pushing back an authoritarian ban by 5 years is seen as an extraordinary act tells us this. We are ruled now, completely and totally.
“Ruled”? – never; the “ruling class” will collapse like all empires do, and is cracking at the seams already. NZ and SACRS COV2/CV are the two greatest, most malign prolonged attempts at totalitarian rule in history (imho, of course) if only by dint of the numbers. This will end very badly; these depots cannot control the flow of information and their attempts to do so have failed, badly in one sense but less so in another.
Politicians are anachronistic; their parties more so. I do not think we have begun to see how “life” is going to change. I used to think “The Prisoner” was the most vivid representation of a dystopian nightmare and watching it again now, it is still disturbing; but it does not come close to what has been/is being done to “us” post WWII. AWG/CC and Frankenstein drugs – I will resist until my last breath and I encourage others to do the same. There are many ways to resist and human ingenuity knows no end.
To use the old expression “follow the money”. See were Gummer’s business interests lie!
Sad to see this spanner still raking it in from the Climate Scam and abusing his position to keep the gravy train running.
Test of logon.
I see there’s an article in The Times claiming that the UK could power the whole country on wind and solar alone by 2050 – ‘scientists say’. Unfortunately it’s paywalled so I can’t find out what magic ingredient they have found that will ensure we shall have constant wind and sun. I’d also like to know which scientists are saying this so I’ll know to avoid tgem in future.
I read it but now can’t find it! If I recover it I’ll give you the gist.
I did comment to the effect that it is impossible to run any country on energy sources which a) are only available half the time and pretty useless north of 50°N and b) can only be relied on to work 40% of the time, nobody to know in advance which 40%!
Thanks, MJ.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-09-26-wind-and-solar-power-could-significantly-exceed-britain-s-energy-needs
“The authors note that the grid will need significant upgrades to handle this amount of renewable energy, including the scaling of energy storage.”
Which reminds me, any thoughts on Bamford’s idea of repurposing HS2 for HV cables. It’s been done before – across the peak district – Woodhead Tunnel.
Mike, ‘The authors note…’ – as the authors are supposed to be ‘leading scientists’ they should know better that grid-scale storage would be too little and too expensive, not say that black-starts when the grid fails would take a very long time to accomplish (I understand). And I would bet, blackouts would be very common. But perhaps what some ‘scientists’ are really after.
Well there’s a bit of NIMBY reported this morning by the Local BBC Radio Highland regarding just such project.
https://www.yourpublicnotices.co.uk/attachments/2023-09/145ab100-4c9e-4308-82ae-8692fa9dff88.pdf Leads on to https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/news/sparks-fly-over-plans-for-energy-storage-complex-near-beauly-257641/ but I cannot find the bbc link – nothing about it later in the day
If you can get GBNews on catch up or Anytoob a spokesman was interviewed by Richard Tice standing for NF last night – 7pm onwards, about halfway thru…
Probably true but they don’t say for how many minutes…..
More critically, how many people.
CoR and Wannsee Economic Forum have made no secret of wanting six billion people killed. In a peaceful way.
I knew Gummer personally back in the 1980’s when he was head of his own PR company. I had no time for him then peddling trite platitudes on behalf of his clients which in the alpine heights of intellectual discourse had all the topographical grandeur of a hill of ant-shit! Vain, self-obsessed and immune to alternative opinions he’s the ideal gob-shyte for the climate scammers.
Well said!
” Vain, self-obsessed and immune to alternative opinions … ” describes many politicos
It’s not British to impose 500,000+ net immigration on the UK for 20 years. But it’s happened whoever has been in power.
It’s not British to force untested military prototype products onto an entire population. But it happened with bipartisan support.
It’s not British to reject three successive mandates for Brexit between 2013 and 2019. But both Conservatives and Labour are doing their level best to do so.
It’s not British to say that White people don’t represent Britishness any more. But Sadiq Khan got away with saying it.
The concept that politicians represent their electors is a nice childhood fantasy disproven by 30 years of adult experience, in my book.
Quite why we expect a culture of Oxford PPE entitlement to be competent, loyal, patriotic, fiscally capable or technologically educated is beyond me.
As long as a 3 year course in bullshitting to academics is a passport to ‘governing’, the UK will not be governed competently going forward as far as we can see.
There is a definite argument that a minimum quorum of competence across a wide selection of economic/societal/cultural areas is required in the House of Commons and that ‘non PPE-educated short lists’ are required in 600 of 650 constituencies across the UK.
I think the problem with Gummer is that he thinks that ‘conservative’ simply means being anti-socialist, but he doesn’t seem to be aware that there are two different versions of socialism, and that he is pushing something like the second version of it:
Definitions of the two forms of socialism taken from the 1947 essay “Planned Chaos” by Ludwig Von Mises:
“There are two different patterns for the realization of socialism. The one pattern—we may call it the Marxian or Russian pattern—is purely bureaucratic. All economic enterprises are departments of the government just as the administration of the army and the navy or the postal system. Every single plant, shop or farm, stands in the same relation to the superior central organization as does a post office to the office of the Postmaster-General. The whole nation forms one single labour army with compulsory service; the commander of this army is the chief of state.
The second pattern—we may call it the German or Zwangswirtschaft system —differs from the first one in that it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange. So-called entrepreneurs do the buying and selling, pay the workers, contract debts and pay interest and amortization. But they are no longer entrepreneurs. In Nazi Germany they were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”
The first version of socialism is the most well-known, where all industry is nationalised like in the old Soviet Union. The second version is associated with the Nazis (the Nazis were the National Socialist party, but they are far better known for the nationalism aspect than the socialism aspect), and it is effectively crony capitalism applied on a massive scale. The second version is much more ‘business friendly’ than the first version.
The Green capitalism that Gummer pushes is similar to Nazi-type socialism. Gummer doesn’t see a problem with it because business people seem to be happy with it and there is no nationalisation of industry going on.
The second type is fascism: Strong, autocratic, central control of a private economy.
The principal difference in the two types is who owns the means of production. Both cede infinite power to government.
The USA has been fascist for 50 years. 600 federal agencies tell the people how they should be living.