1.5m Homes At Risk From Melting Sea Ice!
October 30, 2023
By Paul Homewood
A friend spotted this item on Talk TV a couple of weeks ago:
https://watch.talk.tv/watch/replay/18841536
The reporter claimed that up to 1.5 million UK properties face the increased risk of flooding because of “rising seas triggered by melting Arctic sea ice”. (At 7.05 am)
They seemingly are not aware that melting sea ice does not contribute to sea level rise!
She has filed a complaint, but Talk TV seem slow in responding. I suggest we all bombard them with complaints as well, it might wake them up!
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
Simple School Physics. Melting floating ice (SEA ICE) does not cause the sea level to change AT ALL. An apology should be issued immediately for this alarmist nonsense.
Archimedes is not taking calls right now.
Of course it can’t!
Sea ice is water that has frozen and has 110% of the volume of seawater but an identical mass, therefore it floats.
Check out the Archimedes Principle .
Actually, based on ice core records, when oceans are warmest, when sea ice is not on the surface of polar oceans, is when ice accumulation on land ice is the most. Sea levels are lowered by evaporation of ocean water and ice accumulation on land. The land ice is always thawing and flowing and returning to the oceans, sea levels rise when sea ice prevents evaporation of ocean and prevents maintenance of land ice.
Ice evaporates.
Sublimates actually!
Thx. Gamecock loves pedantry!
Melting sea ice does not cause sea level rise.
John Dewey
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He said sea ice prevents evaporation of the ocean, seems sensible. Catweazle is right ice sublimates
“when sea ice prevents evaporation”
But it enables sublimation. So the statement is misleading, at best.
At small sizes, like snow, sublimation is just as fast as evaporation from water.
https://www.usgs.gov/special-topics/water-science-school/science/sublimation-and-water-cycle
Worth a read.
As the man say ck it out. Her producer really didn’t double ck her. He basically “wanked” her as the Brits would say. Sorry- cat pulled my tongue.
Och it was all the usual hogwash before & around 6am this morning … went to satellite: the same there but greater choice of other Docus & interest. – even their Weathercams: at least you can actually SEE the weather and read the temps ( if authentic). So that was Talk TV? NO much better than ANY of the other UK stations. Give them ALL the heave. ( sorry ladies! )
Did anyone see the Enemies of People ( FoE) yapping on Lunchtime news, with our roving reporter from the Cromarty Firth : More Drilling Licences again, AND there is quite a High tide today on the back of that N-E wind blowing / funnelling the Moray Firth into the Cromarty Firth & Inverness. Aye Gramps tell us that years ago, coupled to a bittie Autumn rain in the hills, the Local Peffery Burn would be fu’ and there were some big puddles t o jump through when getting in/out of the local Marts – Calf Sales. What’s changed ?
Mair TV channels, =’s, mair nutters per metre squared. I liked how Paul put in (it happened at 07.05, hilarious ,😂).
Slàinte Mhath 🥃
Give the lady a gin and tonic with ice, full to the brim of the glass. Then make her watch while the ice melts. As her reward for an on-air apology she can drink the G&T.
Regrettably I have to report that I cannot sway Mrs J from her belief that when an iceberg melts it increases the water level. If she believes that (and on the face of it it makes apparent sense) it is not surprising that less intelligent people think the same.
(I’ll keep trying!)
Eleven twelfths are under water holding up the other twelfth. They can do that because they are LIGHTER per cubic mile or whatever. Hence
The point surely is that a “calving” glacier will infinitesimally raise sea level though given the size of an iceberg in comparison to the volume of the earth’s oceans such a change is wholly irrelevant.
The volume of the iceberg itself fully accounts for this minuscule increase. Its dispersal by melting in no way adds to the volume of the ocean.
Changes in ocean volume will be about changes in temperature of the ocean. The volume expands as the ocean warms up, but contracts again when that energy is used as the main source to melt the ice, resulting in cooling. Fresh water from melted ice is slightly less dense than sea water, so there is countervailing effect. Additions to floating ice from snowfall will increase the mass and result in sea level rise, but if the snow or rain falls on open ocean the effect is the same. Net effects are probably very hard to calculate.
Another blonde moment.
Still,I’m sure we should really be gunning for the authors of the nonsense read by the autocutie.
“ authors of the nonsense ”
Right. I don’t believe she came up with the number (1.5; sounds familiar though) or the concept all by herself. No researcher over the age of 12 would make such a mistake. Who? … is the question.
Sadly, TalkTV/TalkRadio news section is detached from the more independent main content/direction of their output and just parrots the same official narrative BS that all other stations push.
It is rather jarring actually – I switch off when the news wash starts every half an hour when I listen to TalkRadio.
‘The reporter claimed that up to 1.5 million UK properties face the increased risk’
And from where did they get that number?
If you are going to make a number up, might as well make it a big one.
It’s clearly a figure derived from the number of Olympic sized swimming pools per head of population, divided by the number of homes supplied by windfarms and multiplied by the length of London buses…..but only in area of Wales’es units over Right Whales testicles volume. Or was it Miami populations divided by Biden budgets or something like that….on the first Thursday of the month when Easter falls in April. Well you know what I mean.
Thx.
Another recent post had me wondering about cubic elephants.
🤣🤣🤣
And talk tv is one of the more decent, sane stations – I watch Mike Graham on it, he doesn’t buy into the climate crisis thing either
When the elites start selling up their multi million waterfront homes, there maybe need for concern, until then, stay sane, stay real
My experiment includes a gin and tonic with ice in it. But it gets drunk before it melts
She really has me worried, my mental state is such that I shall start building an ark tomorrow or maybe the day after?
For details on how to build a tried and tested pre-Noah design watch this fascinating video.
The News report was also accompanied by pictures of penguins jumping onto (obviously not Arctic!) ice!
Really? That’s just plain silly.
Laughing, yes, simple physics is the true answer.
Looks like taken down. Can’t get. Retractation in required for uninformed comment’s.
Yet another alarmist ignorant anti-science piece of misinformation . The melting of sea ice does not affect sea level.
I have great hopes for Talk-TV. Do not ruin it with this kind of garbage. A public correction would be appropriate
The truth is out there., but not there.
I’m just watching an item on BBC news about AI fake news reports. It shows Fiona Bruce reading a piece of news that encourages viewers to contact a number to donate money to a scam. She shows how good the AI is and warns of further scams. Have to admit, it was good. Perhaps the item above was also AI.
Has no one seen the film ‘The Day after Tomorrow?
I can’t remember if it was a documentary, although it did have an amusing bit where a Russian billionaire had to start his Bently via a voice command so they could escape from the transport plane just before it crashed, anyway, where was I?
Could be worse, there could be a wind farm to connect to the grid.
Ongoing work to build what will be the single largest wind farm in the world off the north Norfolk coast has been blamed for “destroying” one of the region’s rivers.
Tracing back, I found this article in The Ecologist – formerly edited by Zac Goldsmith
https://theecologist.org/2023/oct/13/arctic-ice-melt-will-flood-uk-properties
which led me on to find the real culprits – the dunce MPs on the Environmental Audit Committee. Here’s their report:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5803/cmselect/cmenvaud/1141/report.html
and the list of dunces
https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/62/environmental-audit-committee/membership/
who unsurprisingly include Chris Skidmore and Caroline Lucas.
A gem from the report (with bolded correction):
It is now predicted that the Arctic could be practically sea ice free during the summer as soon as the 2030s, which is about
a decade soonertwo decades later than researchers previously predicted.Here’s the offending paragraph:
30. Rising sea levels pose a direct threat to the UK, with up to 1.5 million properties at an increased risk of flooding by 2080.44 Researchers from the University of Lancaster told us that “[s]ea level rise and associated coastal flooding is a major threat to much of the UK as an island nation”.45 Dr Jenny Turton, Senior Adviser at Arctic Frontiers,46 told us that this increase in flooding would in turn lead to enhanced erosion of our coasts, and will require the UK to upgrade the Thames barrier.47
And those references are:
44 Climate Change Committee, ‘Managing the coast in a changing climate’, October 2018
45 Dr David Parkes (Senior Research Associate at Lancaster University); Dr Jennifer Maddalena (Research Associate at Lancaster University); Dr Jennie Gilbert (Senior Lecturer at Lancaster University); Professor Crispin Halsall (Faculty Director of Natural Sciences at Lancaster University); Dr Amber Leeson (Reader in Glaciology at Lancaster University); Dr Peter Wynn (Reader at Lancaster University) (ARC0017)
46 Arctic Frontiers, located in the Fram Centre, Tromsø, has, since 2007, organised the annual Arctic Frontiers conference, which gathers scientists, businesses, policymakers and representatives of local and Indigenous Peoples for holistic discussions about the future of the Arctic region. Additionally, the organisation hosts year-round activities, including Arctic Frontiers Abroad events, Arctic Frontiers Open events for the public and Arctic Frontiers Young events for the future generation of Arctic leaders between 5–35 years old.
47 Dr Jenny Turton (ARC0006)
So we find it is really Deben, Piers Forster and chums at the CCC.
Quelle surprise.
Note that the key CCC reference dates from 2018. It’s very old news, recycled by the CCC as their evidence to the Committee. Links to the report and its backing research are here
https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/managing-the-coast-in-a-changing-climate/
I did a post with 3 links tracing the origins which may need rescuing.
The Yahoo News version of the report came from PA Media, which says ‘melting ice’ in the headline but ‘melting sea ice’ as it goes on. A lot of other outlets seem to have used this source and spread the confusion.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/1-5-million-uk-properties-230100494.html
Dear Paul Excuse my ignorance but why doesn’t melting ice contribute to sea level rise? Meanwhile I’m an avid appreciator of all your posts. David Buckngham
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Because the ice is already in the sea.
Think of an ice cube in a glass of water – when you put the ice in, the water level rises.
When it melts, does the level of the water rise again?
In the Arctic circle the majority of ice is sea ice , there is very little land mass there .
So if it all melted it would have no effect on sea level because most of the ice is below sea level , and ice is a lot less dense than water , especially sea water .
What could possibly have happened here? …
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I suggest that she reads what is put in front of her . Her network depends on the use of news items which are current elsewhere. Look for the owners of news sites and you will see that many are connected.. The writers have been deluded by the analogy that melting glaciers raise lake levels Therefore , they think melting sea ice raises sea levels. The use of logic is not emphasised in colleges which produce these news reporters, false analogies proliferate.
Much as the commenters on web blogs produce false analogies of the backgrounds of news readers , too.
I already mentioned this here on October 13th
When you dig they mention the albedo effect of melting ice could race temps more, and thus melt onshore ice
but I don’t believe such a albedo effect anything other than tiny tiny
… https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2023/10/13/michael-kelly-the-green-energy-net-zero-plan-will-require-a-command-economy/#comment-264334