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Chatbot Gets It Wrong Again–Blames Trainers!

November 9, 2023
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By Paul Homewood

 

I’ve been having fun with the chatbot again!

 

User

Are hurricanes becoming more intense?

>ChatGPT

There is scientific evidence suggesting that hurricanes have become more intense in recent decades. Studies have shown an increase in the frequency of stronger hurricanes, particularly in the North Atlantic Ocean. Warmer sea surface temperatures provide more energy for hurricanes, potentially leading to stronger and more intense storms.

However, it’s important to note that while there is a consensus among climate scientists that hurricanes are becoming more intense, the specific trends and patterns can vary by region. Additionally, other factors such as natural climate variability and changes in observational methods can also influence the perceived increase in hurricane intensity.

Climate change models generally predict that as the Earth continues to warm, hurricanes may become more intense on average. Still, predicting the exact future intensity and frequency of hurricanes is a complex task due to the interplay of various environmental factors. Ongoing research and monitoring are essential to better understand these patterns and make accurate predictions.

User

According to NOAA, “There is no strong evidence of century-scale increasing trends in U.S. landfalling hurricanes or major hurricanes, although by some measures, U.S. landfalling tropical cyclone activity for 2004-2010 was the strongest in the records since the late 1800s. Similarly for Atlantic basin-wide hurricane frequency (after adjusting for observing capabilities), there is not strong evidence for an increase since the late 1800s in hurricanes, major hurricanes, or the proportion of hurricanes that reach major hurricane intensity.”

ChatGPT

It appears you are referencing a statement from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). It’s important to consider that the field of climate science is constantly evolving, and new research findings can lead to updated conclusions. The statement you provided might represent the understanding of hurricane trends up until the time of its publication. Scientific understanding can change as more data becomes available and as climate models improve.

Climate research is a complex and ongoing process that involves analyzing long-term data, studying various climate variables, and using advanced modeling techniques to make predictions. While specific trends and patterns in hurricane intensity and frequency can vary, the overall consensus in the scientific community is that as the Earth’s climate continues to warm due to human-induced factors like greenhouse gas emissions, there is a potential for more intense hurricanes in the future.

It’s essential to refer to the latest scientific studies and assessments from reputable sources like NOAA and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to stay updated on the current state of climate science and the understanding of hurricane trends.

User

The NOAA statement is in their report dated Oct 2023: https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/ – so it is up to date

ChatGPT

I don’t have real-time internet access or the ability to browse external websites, so I cannot verify specific content from the NOAA report you mentioned. However, if the information you provided is accurate, it reflects the most recent assessment from the NOAA regarding hurricane trends. It’s important to rely on reputable sources and scientific organizations like NOAA for the latest and most accurate information on topics related to climate science and natural disasters. If you have any specific questions about the content of the report, please feel free to ask, and I’ll do my best to provide relevant information based on my training data up until January 2022.

User

I find your reply interesting and disconcerting! I assumed your answers reflected the actual facts and data easily available on the internet and official sources. Instead you say you rely on training data that’s two years old. Who programmed you with this training data?

ChatGPT

I understand your concerns, and I appreciate your feedback. I was trained by a team of researchers and engineers at OpenAI, a leading artificial intelligence research lab. My training data includes a mixture of licensed data, data created by human trainers, and publicly available data. I was trained on a diverse range of internet text, which allows me to generate responses based on patterns in the data I was trained on.

While my training data includes information up until January 2022, I do not have the ability to access or retrieve real-time data from the internet or external sources after that point. This means that my responses are based on the knowledge and information available up until that cutoff date. As a result, for the most current and specific information, especially on rapidly evolving topics like current events, it’s always best to refer to the latest reports and updates from reputable sources or consult experts in the field.

So as some of us suspected, the answers you get are not necessarily factual. Instead they are determined by the “training” given by the programmers!

44 Comments
  1. It doesn't add up... permalink
    November 9, 2023 5:26 pm

    Have you opened the pod doors?

  2. gezza1298 permalink
    November 9, 2023 5:32 pm

    A Chatbot is just a computer that runs a program just like any other. Whoever writes the program controls the Chatbot….

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 9, 2023 9:31 pm

      But if you call it ‘AI,’ you will make more money.

      • gezza1298 permalink
        November 9, 2023 9:48 pm

        And if you call it YI it will be popular in Newcastle……

    • November 9, 2023 10:38 pm

      Talking about popular in Newcastle…..”remember the last time Newcastle thrashed Man Utd?…… Hawaii 5 – 0!”
      https://www.premierleague.com/match/1865
      Sorry couldn’t resist!

    • November 10, 2023 12:42 am

      Still, an AI will not be more intelligent than the idiots creating it …

  3. Thomas Carr permalink
    November 9, 2023 5:45 pm

    The sheer lack of integrity — priceless. Strange how perspective seems to decline with the increase in analytical self-confidence.

  4. Stuart permalink
    November 9, 2023 5:59 pm

    And the chatbot repeatedly relies on ‘scientific consensus’ which is not factual evidence but nebulous opinion- who are these scientists that hold these opinions?

    • Chris Speke permalink
      November 9, 2023 6:11 pm

      It is interesting to view weather forecasts a week ahead and then compare them with the actual weather on that day . The temperature is the statistic that I mostly look for probity of prediction . This in settled conditions is not generally off prediction .Take however cyclonic conditions and temperature prediction falls off a cliff . We are talking about AI these days in weather forecasting and I would suggest that they lose the plot after Three days .

    • November 9, 2023 6:40 pm

      who are these scientists?

      The same ones that are gatekeeping Wikipedia science pages?

      • November 9, 2023 9:16 pm

        Connolley?

      • Gamecock permalink
        November 9, 2023 9:33 pm

        Cirrusly, the first response from ChatGPT looks like it was ripped from the pages of Wikipedia.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      November 10, 2023 8:33 am

      No, that’s just its input from climate science. It is programmed and doesn’t “rely” at all. It follows its programming which is to use its inputs.

  5. The Informed Consumer permalink
    November 9, 2023 7:06 pm

    ChatGPT finally admitted to me that it’s not been updated since September 2022 and it does not know when it will next be updated.

    I furnished it with the latest papers refuting the ‘consensus’ which it told me it couldn’t access real time.

    I referred it to sections in IPCC reports which refuted claims of extreme weather. I got the same response.

    In other words, there is nothing AI about ChatGPT whatsoever. It’s pre programmed with standard answers to provide and can learn nothing.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      November 10, 2023 8:37 am

      It might be able to “learn” if it had access to the Internet but it doesn’t so we don’t know. There’s nothing I about any existing AI. Such things can be very good at very narrow fields (games for example) but have no general applicability whatsoever. Chatbot us just Google.

  6. Curious George permalink
    November 9, 2023 7:23 pm

    AI is probably more intelligent than most “climate scientists”.

    • catweazle666 permalink
      November 9, 2023 7:37 pm

      My cat is more intelligent than all “climate scientists” – an oxymoron if ever there was one!

      • 1saveenergy permalink
        November 10, 2023 7:19 am

        An oxymoron is a brain that’s been starved of Oxygen …
        “climate scientists” get ‘high’ on atmospheric gases !!

  7. iggie permalink
    November 9, 2023 8:27 pm

    I’m not sure about other countries and how they categorise cyclones, but Australia has redefined cyclones so that Cat 1 has been reduced to 63kmph from 90kmph. That means more intense cyclones based on the Category.

  8. H Davis permalink
    November 9, 2023 8:51 pm

    I hope they don’t train the medical ChatBot with Internet data that’s 2 years old.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      November 10, 2023 8:40 am

      I hope they do! How long does it take to get a published paper replicated/reproduced, corrected, replicated/reproduced again? More than 2 years.

  9. John Hultquist permalink
    November 9, 2023 9:17 pm

    It is a shame your chatty friend can’t access web sites in real time. Otherwise, you could suggest it go to the Babylon Bee for updates, or perhaps take notes from Karine, the Baghdad Bob of White House press secretaries.

    • November 10, 2023 12:15 pm

      The Babylon Bee has actually been correct a number of times.
      Ah, Baghdad Bob…..I well remember the fun Rush had with that. He did Ali Limbally (sp?).

  10. November 9, 2023 9:20 pm

    There is no such thing as artificial intelligence. AI simply does not exist.

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 9, 2023 9:35 pm

      I’m not sure that’s true. Though I have never seen it. And I’m a retired computer scientist.

      • Phoenix44 permalink
        November 10, 2023 8:43 am

        It’s correct I believe. AI can be programmed to be very good st very narrow things but none of those AIs has any general intelligence. And many of those is are much more limited than they appear e.g. the Jeopardy one just looks up Wikipedia! We have no theory of intelligence nor any idea what creativity us or how humans achieve it.

  11. Gamecock permalink
    November 9, 2023 9:43 pm

    Every sentence from ChatGPT can be picked apart. I’m just doing the first.

    ‘There is scientific evidence suggesting that hurricanes have become more intense in recent decades.’

    Cirrusly? ‘Scientific evidence suggesting?’ You have evidence or you don’t. ‘Suggesting’ means they don’t actually have evidence.

    Okay, gotta do the third.

    ‘Warmer sea surface temperatures provide more energy for hurricanes, potentially leading to stronger and more intense storms.’

    The Weathermen love this type of comment. It sounds true. Yet, water temperature is NOT a limiting factor in the tropical North Atlantic. Dr Spencer pointed out years ago that it gets hot enough to support storms EVERY YEAR. Yet we hear this water temperature BULLSHIT every year. This year’s tropic Atlantic was one of the hottest evah, yet we had a mild season.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      November 10, 2023 8:48 am

      I think that’s wrong. I have evidence that points to something being caused by A, not B. Is it conclusive? No. Is it evidence? Yes.

      The evidence suggests Covid leaked from a lab in Wugan. That’s true, surely?

      • Gamecock permalink
        November 10, 2023 11:23 am

        The difference is you have evidence.

        They are suggesting it without evidence. It is a common climate ‘science’ trope, pretending to know things they don’t.

      • Gamecock permalink
        November 10, 2023 1:13 pm

        The trope is a begging the question fallacy. They act as if what they are saying is already in evidence. Pretending is easier than science.

  12. Ann permalink
    November 9, 2023 11:49 pm

    When I read the title line – ‘blames trainers’, I thought you meant shoes!

    • 1saveenergy permalink
      November 10, 2023 7:23 am

      It’s amazing how ill-fitting shoes can influence your thinking !!

  13. iggie permalink
    November 10, 2023 1:11 am

    Reports from Aus BoM’s Climate Summary for 2015/16 which contradict the above statements re warming oceans lead to more intense cyclones.
    ‘The 2015–16 Australian region cyclone season was the least active Australian region cyclone season since reliable records started during 1969, with only three named tropical cyclones developing in the region. Reasons for the low activity during the year included a positive Indian Ocean Dipole occurring and the 2014–16 El Niño event.’
    ‘El Niño also led to below average rainfall over much of eastern Australia, although record-warm sea surface temperatures (SSTs) in the Indian Ocean initially moderated the effect of the El Niño.’
    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/annual/aus/2015/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015–16_Australian_region_cyclone_season

  14. 1saveenergy permalink
    November 10, 2023 8:11 am

    If ‘AI’ really is intelligent this a chance for US to re-train the bot ??

    How about (like Paul ) we all start bombarding it with questions we know the answers to; then after a few weeks other people ask the same questions, so we can check if it’s learning or is just a preprogramed loop.

    • Phoenix44 permalink
      November 10, 2023 8:46 am

      Learning isn’t intelligence. This is the category misrake lots of people make, including AI researchers. Storing in memory every fact wouldn’t make anybody or anything intelligent.

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 10, 2023 11:29 am

      “How about (like Paul ) we all start bombarding it with questions”

      Where is Capt Kirk when you need him?

  15. Rich permalink
    November 10, 2023 9:05 am

    Here’s a Youtube video explaining how Chat GPT actually works:

    The surprise – for me – was that it generates its output one word at a time with probabilities built from the context. Far from being “artificial” the intelligence at work is entirely human.

  16. Artyjoke permalink
    November 10, 2023 10:14 am

    I got a more reasoned response from Google Bard:

    “Climate scientists are confident that hurricanes are becoming more intense due to climate change, even though the NOAA report you linked to does not find strong evidence for an increase in hurricane intensity since the late 1800s.

    There are a few reasons for this. First, the NOAA report only looks at U.S. landfalling hurricanes. It is possible that climate change is having a greater impact on hurricane intensity in other regions of the world.

    Second, the NOAA report only looks at long-term trends. It is possible that climate change is having a more immediate impact on hurricane intensity, even if this impact is not yet evident in the long-term record.

    Third, the NOAA report does not take into account the fact that climate change is making hurricanes more rapid-intensifying storms. Rapid intensification is when a hurricane’s wind speed increases by at least 35 knots in a 24-hour period. Rapid intensification events are becoming more common and more severe due to climate change.

    Fourth, climate scientists are able to use computer models to simulate the effects of climate change on hurricanes. These models consistently show that climate change is making hurricanes more intense.

    Finally, climate scientists have a good understanding of the physical processes that control hurricane intensity. They know that warmer ocean temperatures and higher atmospheric moisture levels, both of which are caused by climate change, will lead to more intense hurricanes.

    In conclusion, there is a strong scientific consensus that climate change is making hurricanes more intense. The NOAA report you linked to does not contradict this consensus. The report simply states that there is no strong evidence for a long-term increase in U.S. landfalling hurricanes or major hurricanes. This does not mean that climate change is not having an impact on hurricane intensity, or that hurricanes are not becoming more dangerous.”

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 10, 2023 11:32 am

      So we see Bard has the intelligence of a 12 year old, and is easily fooled.

  17. Gamecock permalink
    November 10, 2023 1:15 pm

    WordPress going nuts. Strange things happening.

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 11, 2023 12:22 am

      Seems fixed now.

    • Gamecock permalink
      November 11, 2023 12:24 am

      Spoke too soon. Getting this when replying, and I get thrown back several pages.

      ‘Reply to GamecockCancel reply
      Never miss a beat!

      Interested in getting blog post updates? Simply click the button below to stay in the loop!’

    • Realist permalink
      November 11, 2023 10:48 pm

      Indeed. There used to be a time when I could enter my e-mail address and my name, but now it says I cannot post comments because I am not logged in.
      I can avoid that by changing the e-mail address, but then the reply / comment goes into “waiting moderation”.
      There really needs to be an option to subscribe to a proper e-mail distribution list
      >>WordPress going nuts. Strange things happening.

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