Govt To Pay £350 For EV Chargers In Flats!!
By Paul Homewood
How the Government is out of touch with reality – Part 99999:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-path-to-zero-emission-vehicles-by-2035
This announcement came out in September, but I missed this gem!
Click on the link, and you get this:
https://www.gov.uk/electric-vehicle-chargepoint-grant-household
So, to recap, if you live in a flat and therefore cannot charge your EV in your drive, the government will pay you £350 towards a charging point in your home!
I assume they expect you to stick your car in the lift and push it into your kitchen to charge up.
What planet are these idiots on?
We are not stupid, Government! We know that your real objective is to force us all out of our cars, by hook or by crook. Except, that is, for the elite who will be allowed to travel anywhere they want, anyhow they want.
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
No, the idiots don’t expect you to put the car in the lift – they expect you to dangle the cable out of the kitchen window.
Yep. A block of flats will look like some monster octopus has draped itself and family over the building. And I thought government advisers were degree-level minds. Dear God!
Yeas Harry, they all have a degree, a degree of stupidity it is difficult to quantify!
Nope. Only 6 MPs have a STEM degree. Should be 3-400 of them. They are fools.
BA Oxon. Eng. Lit. & Lang. (1972).
Graduates. Some very smart, some not so. Many of those who elect to stay in Academia do so as they know they could not earn a living in the world outside. This I witnessed, living in Oxford and working in the Uni there for some 10 years after graduating. Some of the really smart people there are beyond stupid wrt to matters of the world. The University, I realised, is there primarily for them, and then for the student body.
Sure proof that the Government and Civil Service, ALL OF THEM, are on some sort of spectrum from stupid to evil.
They are probably all on coke…
” Research shows ” that EV’s are ” up to ” ( favourite meaningless weasel – phrase of lying marketing folk everywhere ) £150 per year cheaper to run . Presumably that’s up to the point where the self – igniting heap of junk needs a new battery at £15,000 . I guess they forgot to add that into the equation .
Or £1000 for new set tyres after 10000 miles or insurance @ £3000 a year or….
Excellent post on Daily Sceptic which points out the battery cost when factored in at the start makes it far more expensive to run.
Blocks of flats often have one allocated parking space each. How many of those spaces will be anywhere close to the flat itself, even for the minority living on the ground floor?
I have a flat like that, no way can everyone have their own charger linked to their individual electricity supply. The communal outdoor electricity supply is a low current lighting circuit, many other flats will be similar, no way would it cope with EV charging.
Orwellian!
Ner. more akin to the Goons Show…
Jeremy
I wanted to reply to your earlier note about Oxford.
You make my point exactly, the Oxford exists purely for its own existence. Most of the academic members are they because they have no idea what they really want to do and have no idea about the real world. I class them with AI computers: they have massive learning resources but no comprehension.
Yet these psychologically damaged people think they have divine right to teach the next generation of Prime Ministers.
Looking at their “1st class” products and suffering at their hands I think we all know they have spectacularly failed. We have to change the paradigm that lets them get away with it.
I am a BSc Mechanical Engineering.
Quill PERMALINK
November 25, 2023 3:35 pm
Quite so.
£350, eh? what’ll that buy – a 6-inch too short length of cable with the wrong plug for your car?
They don’t have the first clue as to how most people live. What is their excuse? I find it extraordinary. They should at least have a little imagination. They’ve all drunk the Koolaid of Netzero.
‘The government has also introduced several schemes to lower the upfront and running costs of owning an EV. This includes a plug-in van grant of up to £2,500 for small vans and £5,000 for large vans until at least 2025 and £350 off the cost of homeplace chargepoints for people living in flats.’
They really think you are stupid. This doesn’t reduce costs. It shifts the payment to someone else. So, enjoy your EV, knowing you are sticking it to someone else.
Good luck trying to stop someone stealing your electricity, if your personal charging point is out in a public car park….!
R
Excitement on the news tonight in Sunderland at the Nissan factory. But who is going to buy the cars?
They’re going to force people to buy EVs by, starting 2024, fining car manufacturers £15,000 per ICE car sold if they don’t sell a steadily rising proportion of EVs. Manufacturers will have no choice but to load this £15k onto the price of every ICE car they sell.
So much free money flying around, yet we wonder why the country is all-but bankrupt.
It should go without saying that if EV’s were any good buyers would be queuing up to get them and the charging kit would be bundled in by the manufacturers as part of the deal. Government incentives wouldn’t be needed. (Can anyone recall government offering incentives to install flatscreen TV’s? Me neither!)
The really bad news is, due to volt drop, if you’re on the 10th floor, your charging cable will need to be 120mm2, if copper, a great steal
A 40m length = £1960.80 inc vat. + !!
….and what will it weigh?
At some point in this BEV disaster, realisation is going to dawn on the PTB that the continued grants, subsidies and the arbitrary banning of ICE vehicles is not going to persuade “the man on the Clapham omnibus” to buy into the BEV hype. They have no plus points on an ICE vehicle except possibly less CO2, and that is debatable. As reality sets in, the net zero scam is slowly unwinding and the realisation that CO2 is a beneficial trace gas is growing
Ultimately it is going to end in disaster as the existing western automotive manufacturers end up going bust, thousands of jobs lost and probably China supplying the world with cheap basic BEVs, but not enough chargers or electricity.
Why is less CO2 a good point? Do you want Africans to starve?
Buy a V8, green the Sahara.
Well, the more they take off us to fund those who can already afford them (viz, Solar panels, heat pumps, etc. etc) the less we will have to buy them, assuming we wanted one in the first place.
Left friends of ours, asset millionaires, were so proud of their solar panels (idiot Greens) that when I pointed out they had been financially helped by people who could not afford them, but apparently could afford to subsidise theirs had no response. Busted. They will almost certainly have a heat pump now as well. We fell out with them as they were appalled by our belief that Covid was a lab leak.
Whoops.
If you read the small print the grant is only available if you have a dedicated parking bay, £350 wouldn’t even cover the cost of the charge point,it would cost ten times to dig up the carpark and connecting to a handy sub-station,even if the landlord would let you. Our ‘leaders’ are truly living in cloud cuckoo land.
That’s what net zero fantasies do to people.
Where does all the power come from to power these new EVs? We already use all our renewable and nuclear energy, and always have done, and will do for decades, so all these extra burdens on the grid have to be powered either by burning fossil fuels in power stations, or by hiding diesel generators behind the charging points that can’t be connected to the grid. Councils routinely charge their EVs with generators. Factor that into the equation, along with the carbon footprint of making EVs, the higher risk of them being written off and replaced after a small bump, the extra weight that sheds more brake and tyre particulates, and the huge emissions from when one blows up in a confined space, and only a complete moron could argue EVs are “better for the planet.”
We’ve got five new EV chargers in a small car park near us, in Frome. Been there months. Five less parking spaces. Four still have hoods on so cannot be used, the other I have once seen a car there. Parked, as the other spaces were occupied.
And Frome is Green Central.
The Morrisons local to me is the only charging point within 20 miles, yet I have only once seen a car being charged at it. One issue is that public charge points are much dearer than home charging. But when you need to travel beyond the EV’s range, it’s usually on a motorway, and the chances of getting the right sort of charger, in working order, and without a queue, to top up is tiny.
When will they get around to giving new EV buyers a plate of cookies and a glass of milk?
they tried burgers and doughnuts as incentives to get jabbed so nothing is beyond them.,.
In 1941 a man called Charles Mackay wrote a book called “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds”.
In the introduction he wrote “Men, it has been well said, think in herds, it will be seen they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one at a time”.
That describes this green lunacy and EVs perfectly. It is a herd madness and people like us are the leaders in what will be a slow and expensive recovery.
In the meantime, we few rationalists will have to pick up the tab for all the windmill subsidies, EV subsidies and loss of revenue from diesel and petrol sales plus all the other bribes to keep the “herd” panicking.
In the meantime the inadequates who did Oxford’s easy PPE degree rampage around in Westminster keeping up with the galloping crowd and giving not a moment to actual analysis. These are the fools who have just realised that there was never ever a plan to train enough nurses and doctors for the NHS. Such stupidity can not be imagined.
H L Mencken was right:
“For every complex problem, there’s a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.”
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”
These are (probably wrongly) attributed to Mark Twain:
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
And God help those in the high rises when the batteries explode!
All the units will come with rope ladders or a paraglider, depending on height.
I presume that fire stations will be strategically located near these flats?
Whats seems to be lost on mainstream media is that govt has rowed back on eliminating ICE from 2030 to 2035 but the proportion of EVs manufacturers have to sell every year was left unchanged so they as good as kept the 2030 limit. 22% from next year rising to 80% by 2030 if you shortfall you get fined per vehicle. Short of Tesla no other manufacturer is going to be able to deliver on this at the rate expected unless they bankrupt themselves or withdraw from UK market.
Now is the time to ditch any shares you have in car retailers too.
Will there be an allowance to upgrade the electric system within and to the block of flats?
“This is in addition to EVs being cheaper to run than petrol and diesel cars,”
But this is only because of the variations in tax regime. Level the playing field and EVs are much more expensive.
Example, my wife logs her mileage (self employed) and her long term average from her Hyundai i20 is 55mpg (12 miles per litre). Petrol at £1.50/litre less 20% VAT then less £0.5295 fuel duty equates to a tax free £0.72p/litre or just 6 pence per mile in petrol cost.
Compare to Nissan Leaf claiming 3.5 miles per kWh FROM THE BATTERY. To charge the battery on a domestic charger using the onboard transformer/rectifier will incur likely 15% losses thus 1kWh in the battery is 1.18kWh charged at the meter. My electricity tariff charges £0.281 less 5% vat
thus £0.268 x 1.18 = £0.316 ÷ 3.5 = 9 pence per mile i.e. 50% MORE
So pay no road tax (government subsidy) pay no fuel duty(a massive source of government revenue) pay only 5% VAT rather than 20% (partly a tax on a tax re fuel) get an upfront subsidy to buy one, screw up the roads with much heavier kerb weight, pay no ULEZ/congestion charges, increase everyone else’s insurance costs, risk burning down car parks AND actually increase emissions of CO2 nationally (a separate calculation later) plus employ slave labour, deplete precious reserves etc, etc, etc!!!!!
What morons thought this notion up?
“cheaper to run”
Trick language. It’s actually true. But the overall cost of owning and operating an EV is horrendous. Depreciation alone on a LEAF will cost you £7000 a year.
See also: “Wind power is free.”
A year or two ago I remember seeing TV ads featuring Amazon’s shiny new fleet of electric Vans. I’m curious, has anyone here ever seen one out on the road? My deliveries generally arrive in a white diesel van.
You’d need a mighty long cable if you lived in a tall block of flats!
Our local Council have approved and fitted two EV Charging points on the ground floor of the local multi storey car park alongside the main shopping centre.