The CCC Must Pay The Penalty For False Advice
Guest Post by George Lawson
It seems to me that the falsification of data on the weather, perpetrated by Mr Stark and the Climate Change Committee, has far wider implications than the crime itself. It was the Climate Change Committee’s false information to parliament that the Net Zero fiasco was brought into law by the Teresa May government with wide government support before she was forced out of office. Net Zero, as we all know, has been a very expensive failure, and will be seen as the most costly and useless law that has ever been passed by our legislators.
The law has indirectly been responsible for increasing fuel prices to the public and pushed up business costs and prices, making products uncompetitive. It is responsible for increasing the cost of living for everyone across the nation, and has drained many billions of pounds from our overstretched government finances. The effects of these avoidable negative factors on our nation are simply incalculable, but what we do know is that Stark’s blatant lies have been responsible for trashing the countries economy.
Mr Sunak now has good cause to do two things to affect a recovery of our lost economy. He should immediately close down the wasteful and lying Climate Change Committee, as this is the most expensive lie, by far, than the many lies they have included in their reports over the years. and bring in legislation to overturn the ridiculous economy – sapping Net Zero law. If he does this he will be supported by 99 per cent of the population, it will also increase his reputation massively for when the next election happens.
Finally, Stark, together with the Chairman of the Climate Change Committee, should be brought before a full committee of enquiry to answer for his lies, and if found guilty of intentionally misleading Parliament, he should be sent to prison. Such terrible lies to enhance his reputation at such a cost to the nation, should not go unpunished.
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
Aye, but who WILL pay…. and like the recent events in the Covid & PostOffice enquiries … More money being spent going nowhere fast. ( Cash accounting then showing we’re going further BACKWARDS in our funding resources ) ie let the taxpayer Keep on Paying. Don’t worry! We’re British! I hear them sing.
Oh! – and we’ll keep on fighting ABOVE our class, the ruling classes like to preach. (at YOUR Expense & pain)
Well there is the precedent of stealing private people’s money with regard to the Russians so it would seem reasonable to take Stark, Gummer and any of the other scum to the cleaners to offset the costs to the people. And what about the XR funder, he has some cash to spare. Grantham as well.
Absolutely! Itâs always been a mystery to me why presumably intelligent people have been, and continue to be, taken in by this farrago of fiddled figures and computerised predictions. Even if the earth warmed 1.5 degrees, so what? It has warmed and cooled many times-people and plants adapt.
Ian Harris
I suspect the presumption of intelligence will fall flat if you met some of these people.
‘Intelligent people’ (which might include MPs) are flattered to be courted by seemingly important bodies like the CCC. I offer the Conservative Environment Network in evidence (see my comment down thread).
100%
We need an ITV drama such as Mr Bates vs The Post Office. Millions were rightly enraged about the plight of 800 post masters, imagine the indignation when people realise we’ve ALL been stuffed by the CCC.
Where does the ITV companies allegiance lie though? Money money money makes the world stand still.
Try GBN or last resort TTV ( doubt if the other non beebs would do anything Traitors indeed )
Same place as the allegiance to the Post Office, I suppose.
As part of the response to some of these events, I’d like to see Martin Durkin’s “The Great Global Warming Swindle” broadcast on mainstream TV (preferably the BBC) at a peak slot.
TGGWS is now 15 years of age (2007)
The lead-in to such a broadcast should state that we were all have had the opportunity to consider what was being said on TGGWS for 15 years now, and we all had the opportunity to pay attention. This includes voters, politicians, the media, the energy companies, and the scientific/research community. If things are not going well, who among us can claim to have not been warned.
If things are not going well, we collectively have nobody to blame but ourselves.
Forever with the noble loser schtick.
With no proof to support the belief re AGW, the starting point surely needs to be the repeal of the Climate Change Act 2008.
My view is that “misconduct / malfeasance / misfeasance in public office ” should apply, although my limited understanding is that these are notoriously difficult to prove.
Yes, very difficult. If I understand correctly George Lawson is referring to the recent dissenting voice about the way “the system” was modelled – the way the CCC did it by running it against an artificially constructed year designed to include adverse periods, and the professor’s way of running it against an actual run of years. Both are recognised approaches to design in the engineering world. So one would have to show deliberate intention on the part of the CCC for their test bed to under-represent adverse real-world periods. They might well have done, but the issue is proving it.
With “misconduct / malfeasance / misfeasance in public office ” the angle that might work would be good old follow the money – was an awful decision made by a civil servants/ politicians and there was serious financial conflicts of interest which they haven’t properly disclosed and the average person with the same information would have made a different choice e.g.
why was the EPR nuclear reactor choose as it was clearly the worse choice of the available options based on the cost & the delay in Finland especially with the UKs history with problematic nuclear designs I.e AGR see Dungeness B the clear lesson that should have being learnt with the AGR fiasco (see Dungeness B) is that a full size prototype should have being build and running for a period of time to give some time to find the bugs before committing to a fleet, with the existing builds considerably delayed & other countries who also considered the EPR at the same time the UK ruled it out like the UAE.
The Climate Change Act may be useful for putting a stop to this madness as if the whole point was to replace fossil fuel energy with like for like non co2 emitting alternatives (No one honestly believes parliament intended to reduce peoples living standards, ignore the duties in the electricity act or endorse using public fund to rewards your mates see Cash for Ash scandal ) why wasn’t a large scale (40GW+) replacement using nuclear fission using existing reactor designs investigated especially as new natural gas CCGTs were clearly being built at the time to replace the capacity of magnox reactors that had closed & gas would clearly end up replacing the AGR generation when they close if nothing was done. Then we have the Dutch HVDC link converter station being next to a running coal power station which seem to be ignored when it come to Co2 emissions.
Why do we have 28+ GWe wind capacity & are the direct and indirect subsidies for renewables value for money or unnecessarily regressive to people on low incomes compared to the alternatives? Why are subsidise linked to generation when helping with the capital cost would be a more rational approach for the tax payer (if we must build them). Also if the computer models are accurate in future there would likely be less wind at speeds suitable for wind turbines and our winters may get colder.
We already know about the Renewable Heat Incentive or Cash for Ash scandal in Northern Ireland – I want to know if the people who set up net metering & the solar PV feed in tariff personally benefited from it especially as we have people who have done well from subsidy payments who are now donating to probably all the main political parties which feels like Racketeering – we have organisations getting public funds (I include subsidies) then making donations to political parties to influence not saying charities should not be allowed to lobby e.g citizens advice to keep or increase its funding but it should not feel like politicians scratching their mates back and must be done openly with full by the charities consideration to alternative ways to achieve the same outcome but they can declare why their idea is better.
We also need a way to address the hijacking of many organisations that have ignored their original purpose and spend most of their time accusing people of bigotry while being bigoted – I’m thinking original or long standing members of an organisation having some kind of way to force a review of public funding.
‘with wide government support’
I have no objection to hanging Mr Stark. But realize he is a symptom. You have a far greater problem.
True, but it would be start. I suspect we can no longer use Tyburn but how about setting up the gallows in Trafalgar Square?
Sorry, I wasn’t trying to discourage you.
Well said Paul. I read today that late in 2023 the cost to taxpayers of CfD’s to wind farm operators was running at £1/4 billion per month crazy, crazy crazy!
Well said George Lawson- you’ve put into words what a lot of us have been thinking for a long time. We must expose these liars for what they are- opportunists who are all making a lot of money out of promoting the climate change message!
The question we all need answering is “Is there anyone big and bold enough to bring these liars to book?’
Oh for a home grown Trump!
We’ve had the pound-land version of Trump in Boris … we don’t want that again !!!
That’s just a platitude. Boris is nothing like Trump.
There is no point in expecting Sunak or his ilk to do a damn thing now that 5he CCC have been found lying – this is malfeasance in a public office which lesser mortals would be punished for, but this committee is made up of the Great and the Good and as such short of standing over the body with a knife dripping blood shouting “Yes I killed this person” means they will never be prosecuted, and even if they were, not only would they get off Scott free, but have their legal costs met by the public, secure a book deal, sell both the film and tv rights, and get bumped up the honours list to pick up any gongs they have not already secured. Lies cost Lives, in this case, the working lives of the majority of the Nation as we hurtle headlong into the abyss with no industrial base, a busted economy, banking that is desperate to get a e-monetary finance system that they can manipulate, insurers who promote insurance but refuse to honour, a judiciary that responds to money, police who refuse to uphold the law for fear of actually doing something, education that refuses to educate and teach students to think – follow the herd is their mantra, religious “leaders” who refuse to believe in God, but fall over themselves to secure more and more wealth – all in all, the CCC is just one of many cogs destroying this Nation.
It is the prosperity-decadence-collapse cycle. From which few escape.
I had thought you were in late decadence for awhile, but Port Talbot is the beginning of the collapse.
The shame is that Sunak and his CCC chummies have not told the truth about Port Talbot and that we have surrendered Steel security completely given that electric steel production only produces second grade steel which is totally useless but great if you want to manufacture “White goods”, but less than ideal should you decide that your defence forces need tanks, guns, ships, planes – but then, given that we are deindustrialising, we can defend our shores using………..imported steel from China, India, Iran or Russia.
I suggest readers send a copy of the post to their MP. If enough emails are received, perhaps, it will concentrate minds?
Brian: My MP (see below) thinks CO2 is a pollutant and needs to be controlled! I believe he is not alone.
I fully agree with Harry; but, while an MP may not appreciate an individual’s comments, a post, such as the above, just might give pause for thought. I suspect I’m being naive, but one has to do something!
Is George any relation to Nigel or Dominic?
I wondered this too. There was an excellent piece by Dominic Lawson on Drax in Monday’s Daily Mail.
I wondered this too. There was an excellent piece by Dominic Lawson on Drax in Monday’s Daily Mail.
Maybe the CCC is (wrongly) advising the CEN and my MP. Commenters may recall I reported that my MP, in a letter to me, considered CO2 was a pollutant and that I wrote and asked him to qualify his statement. Well, at last, he has. He writes:
“It is my understanding that whilst carbon dioxide is not explicitly a pollutant under UK legislation, more broadly it could meet wider legal definitions of pollution as involving the release of “substances capable of causing harm…”. In any event, carbon dioxide is defined as a greenhouse gas and the release of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere are widely understood to cause climate change, which in turn is acknowledged to have harmful impacts of human health and the environment.””
My general rule on the use of the word, ‘could’ is that it can be equally valid with the addition of the word, ‘not’. As in, I could vote for him…..
OT but I have had an almost identically dubious response by way of mantra narrative garbage, repeatedly from my former Fact Checker in Chief MP on another subject of great concern currently ….
O/T….anyone else find they can’t get to Guido’s site?
^^
The “home page” appears to be u/s, but other pages are available
!00% agree. Prison for these fraudsters.
The Conservative (in name only) government and parliamentary party would never tolerate such interference with officials and the climate fraud. They are too bound up with it and they are largely true believers.
One for Reform ?
This is far bigger than the recent PO fiasco and deserves to be brought to the attention of the general public, debate in HOP at least then take things further from there.
Absolutely disgraceful, premeditated, deceit.
I think this might just be reversing the cart and the horse. The elite decided what policy they wanted, and then set about producing ‘evidence’ and ‘arguments’ to enable the gaslighting. The reports themselves are just what the government ordered, and they will always find people willing to sell their soul for a grant.
So May didnt act on Stark’s report. Stark’s report was produced in order for May to drive through the policy. The covid measures were no different. We are neck-deep in corruption.
If you go here
https://www.theccc.org.uk/publication/sixth-carbon-budget/
You will find links to supporting work by the many pet consultants and academics. These people are every bit as much in the frame, because they have no doubt been well paid for providing their fairy tales. Dig intonthem and you will find cross references to other guilty parties. You will also rapidly conclude that Sir Christopher Llewellyn Smith of the Royal Society barely scratched the surface of criticism of this work.
Face facts nothing is going to change. Admitting that destroying our economy due to some incorrect assumptions is just going into the long list of cover ups that governments excel at.
Thalidomide
Tainted Blood HIV
Grenfell Fire
Covid
Post Office
Of that list Grenfell was, I believe, caused by the Net Zero insanity because it led to the ludicrously excessive insulation that led to the rapid spread of the fire. My theory is that it was done to allow Trellick Tower to remain unclad in all its Grade II listed brutalist glory with the likely approval of architectural historian, tenant management organisation member and ex-MP Dent Coad.
by coincidence the news today (well GBnews ,,, BBC probably didnt mention it) it was mentioned that possibly 2 million people will have their energy cut off at some point. Particularly those on pay in advance meters. Because energy is too expensive… Why? because of net zero bollox
It’s the CCC lies that have left the UK coast vulnerable to the sea. The CCC have changed the benefit cost ratio from 1 to 1, to 8 to 1 because of climate change. An abandonment of our coast ensued. Ask those poor souls of Hemsby.
It’s never mentioned that the UK emits only one per cent of global CO2. It’s never mentioned that 28 COPS haven’t affected the Keeling curve one whit. It’s never mentioned that modern ECS studies show CO2 has negligible effect on the weather
i class the lies& misinformation as big a scandal as the Subpostmaster scandal
‘UK emits 1% of world CO2’ but isn’t that 1% including ‘naturally occurring CO2’ (97%) and man made CO2 (3%)? Can anyone confirm?
No, it’s 1% of the world’s man made CO2
Thank you. Sorry to be dumb, what then is the split for the UK between man made CO2 and natural? Is that 97%/3%
The media ,and politicians , do not like to mention the real figures .
But the amount of man made CO2 is only about 3% of all of the CO2 , [ even the IPCC admits it is less than 5% ,] .And the UK is only about 1% of that 3% , [ perhaps even less ].
So with the total in the atmosphere of only 0.04% , that means that the CO2 the UK puts out is 0.00001% of the atmosphere .
Which is why it never gets a mention .
This is the comment I’ve been waiting to read for a long time. It sums up all the total dross that the CCC have force fed us over the past few years and the total destruction of this country’s well being and financial good health that has resulted from their ridiculous policies.
It is important that our leaders re- assess all the laws and impositions they have overseen over the past few years and that all those that have benefited financially and knowingly lied to us are brought to account and punished with full public transparency.