By Paul Homewood
Another electric bus fire in London. This is Putney Bus Garage:
https://twitter.com/ediz1975/status/1750116346606633023
The story has also been covered in the The Standard here.
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NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT 
What confidence would that be? BYD blade batteries are claimed by BYD to be safer than other Li-ion batteries, but there are reports of many fires in BYD BEVs, especially in China.
Perhaps they are more reliable but not totally reliable.
Was it a full BEV bus or a hybrid? I only ask because the LFB extinguished the fire and the X video doesn’t appear to show a typical blown lithium fire, which would be much worse.
Either way the fact EV buses are charged inside is rather concerning.
I believe it was a hybrid single decker
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I wonder what spin the authorities will put on this story or will it go down the ‘memory hole’ as in orwells 1984? Will the 3 buses story catching fire be explained away?
Following on from the spate of stories here like this those from the ccc and others either falsifying or ignoring the inaccurate modeling I thought this link highly relevant concerning fake news by the BBC on covid that the govt encouraged
https://dailysceptic.org/2024/01/25/bbc-misrepresented-covid-risk-to-boost-lockdown-support-says-top-government-scientific-adviser/
“events of this kind, inside our premises are rare..”
Maybe rare inside your premises, but sufficiently frequent this month alone to be of wider concern. Any chance of some joined up thinking here?
How many pre-electric occurrences were there in the Putney garage?
‘Back in the day’, when I was a student of architecture in London, trolley buses were commonplace.
Quiet, no fumes, quick off the mark with no ton-weight battery pack to lug around/recharge/catch fire, they were very good at their job.
They, and the overhead cables, have long since gone…
Aye and what was wrong with them that we can’t put right by improving/modernising/upgrading today? IOW the authorities ( thinking about the Edinburgh Bampots ) like to cause as much disruption to people and BUSINESS as possible to lay tramlines.
I remember going with the boy scouts to travel on the last trolley-bus in Sheffield before they were all removed. Fish and chips with scraps before catching a bus home.
That was quite an event! I understand that the last U.K. trolley-bus ran in Bradford, 1972. Many countries today still operate them —updated, of course— including Italy.
1960 in SAheffield according to this:
I believe that some countries in Europe still operate trolley buses with smallish batteries which enable them to get around between the stops, which have stationary (trapezoid?) charging points, hence no need for overhead wires.
“Joined up thinking” is if course an essential regarding this subject.
Have we had an official report on the Luton Multistory Car Park fire yet?
I wonder how you check a sealed unit like a car/bus battery for safety faults?
Notice that the fireman is not wearing HazMat, nor have the public/staff been moved to a safe distance – fires involving Lithium batteries release many serious chemicals that are hazardous to all life. It is obvious that TfL are treating Lithium battery fires as if they are ICE incidents where HazMat is not usually used (but should be) – they are trying to make Lithium batteries appear safe, warm, cuddly and not life threatening when on fire. At elevated temperature the fluorine content of the electrolyte and, to some extent, other parts of the battery such as the polyvinylidene fluoride (PVdF) binder in the electrodes, may form gases such as hydrogen fluoride HF, phosphorus pentafluoride (PF5) and phosphoryl fluoride (POF3). See also
Click to access EN010106-004090-DL2%20-%20Edmund%20Fordham%20EF15.pdf
Very rare = weekly occurrence.
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https://gomotive.com/blog/electric-buses-guide-commercial-fleets/#:~:text=The%20time%20it%20takes%20for,in%20two%20to%20eight%20hours.
“A plug-in charger can charge an electric bus in two to eight hours”
Eight hours that is a long time for a bus to be out of service.
If it was petrol or diesel it could fill up in about 10 minutes and be back in service.
Hope there not tempted to go for fast chargers that shorten the life of the battery.
https://www.fuelcellbuses.eu/wiki/fuel-cell-electric-buses-fuel-cell-electric-buses/about-fuel-cell-electric-buses
“Hydrogen offers higher energy density compared to electrical storage systems such as batteries, this enables a longer range compared to systems where the batteries are used as stores of energy.
Refuelling of the bus takes around 7 minutes for typical fill today, with designs being developed to allow less than 5 minute.”
We all know how safe Hydrogen is as for cost equivalent that depends on how they manipulate the prices on the stock exchange.
The possible deliberate under reporting of BEV fires by the MSM had never previously occurred to me but the attentive Mr Homewood may be onto something here. Well done.
I wonder how the underwriters are considering the risk so far as buses are concerned. It would not surprise me if the fleet was self insured.